Why do people hate the Seventh Day Adventists?

[EastCoastRemnant]

What is the Biblical definition of a day ? length or duration ?

Sundown to sundown...

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

She predicted the Second Coming would occur in the 1850's.

See page 17 here: http://www.exadventist.com/book/

Quotes verified:

http://www.ellenwhite.info/books/ellen-g-white-book-early-writings-ew-15.htm

http://text.egwwritings.org/publication.php?pubtype=Book&bookCode=1T&pagenumber=132

Do you realize that the Sunday Law crisis that begins the time of trouble before Christ comes was set for 1888.... do some research into the history of what was happening in the US around that time. It was an Adventist that partly changed the course of that decision in testifying before congress stopping the law from being put forward... arguing that the separation of church and state should be maintained and religious laws shouldn't be passed by the state. This was providentially ordained as God's people had already began to stray away from completing the work and refused to accept the message of righteousness by faith being taught in the church at the time. The Lord tarried but He will not tarry...

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

They were worshipping God, not Michael. Michael was created by Christ.

Can you provide scripture for that?

 

[Sketcher]

Do you realize that the Sunday Law crisis that begins the time of trouble before Christ comes was set for 1888....

When was 1888 taught? Was that before or after the 1850's?

 

[Armoured]

When was 1888 taught? Was that before or after the 1850's?

Does it matter? We're a little way past 1888, and, predictions about collusion between Obama and the Pope notwithstanding, I don't see a global mandatory Sunday law anywhere. I think we can safely call the 1888 one a failed prediction, don't you?

 

[mark wright]

Any one that confesses their sins and asks for repentance at that moment is without sin... do we stay there in God Grace? or sometimes succumb to temptation and sin again?.... then confess and repent and we are cleansed through His blood again. Temptation is not sin but willful disobedience
.

I imagine the above is spot on catholic doctrine, though they seek forgiveness via confession. It was my exact belief too, when I was raised in a Pentecostal church.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

I imagine the above is spot on catholic doctrine, though they seek forgiveness via confession. It was my exact belief too, when I was raised in a Pentecostal church.

It's called the Gospel and if you think that Adventists don't believe the same then you have no idea what you are talking about and your ignorance of the subject matter is evident.

 

[sparow]

Christ has said that no man knows the day nor hour, and again also says that it is not for us to know the times and seasons which the Father has in store.

When the Lord returns, it will be at a time we do not know, and do not expect--that's the whole reason we are called to faithful diligence.

[Staff edit] He comes like a thief in the night, when He comes to Judge the quick and the dead two will be in a field, one will be taken and the other left. When the Day of Judgment comes, no one will have predicted it or expected it. At any moment, at any time, and no one knows or will know. Which is why any and every prediction must be rejected out of hand. If someone says when it will happen, we are to reject that. No one knows, so every prediction is false. Every single prediction will always be false.

There are only two kinds of people who make predictions about the "end of the world": those who are lying and those who are misguided.

-CryptoLutheran

For prophesy to be useful we have to observe it being fulfilled during each of our life times so everyone for the last 2000 years have been have been expecting the end to be soon. The next moment after we die is when the Lord comes.

For those who are alive when He comes Matt 24 gives the signs of his coming so they can know the time is near.

Daniel give us the precise time Jesus came the first time, it is the seventy week prophesy; Jesus is cut off in the middle of the seventieth week. There are many points of view about the seventieth week, but God does not give us options. I believe God has told us through Daniel when the end is and it is here where I disagree with the SDA, the 2300 year prophesy.

2300 years is the time the sanctuary is trodden under foot; Dan 8:13,14; and this is the time between the first and second coming of Christ. 2300 years coincides with the year 6000 on he Jewish calendar. But the time will be shortened but still sometime in the next 300 years. I believe the six days of creation is a type, and the six thousand years to the resurrection to eternal life is the anti-type and is six days of creation and the millennium is the Sabbath.

""There are only two kinds of people who make predictions about the "end of the world": those who are lying and those who are misguided.""

God has predicted the end of the world as we know it, the end of the age, the time of the end; which category do you place God in?

 

[sparow]

I don't really care for the hate they show so well against Catholics, but I otherwise don't give them much thought at all.

Most SDA are ex-Catholics. I have never known the SDA as an organisation to hate Catholics; they hate the religion for sure.

 

[mark wright]

It's called the Gospel and if you think that Adventists don't believe the same then you have no idea what you are talking about and your ignorance of the subject matter is evident.

I chatted to one seventh day Adventist and told them I was assured of heaven( for Christ was my righteousness before God)
They had a worried look on their face and replied:
I cant say that.
What they meant was. They weren't sure they could well enough obey the ten commandments

 

[mark wright]

Most SDA are ex-Catholics. I have never known the SDA as an organisation to hate Catholics; they hate the religion for sure.

In the church I visited a few were also ex Pentecostals. Strange as it may seem Catholics and Pentecostals have much in common concerning righteousness

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Most SDA are ex-Catholics. I have never known the SDA as an organisation to hate Catholics; they hate the religion for sure.

We are called to expose the Papacy and it's role in prophesy. The laity are good people that are living up to the light they know... many of God's people are in the Catholic church and will 'come out of her' in the time just before Christ returns.

 

[sparow]

Of course we should not hate seventh day adventists.
But did you come to that conclusion from reading the letter of the law, or because you instictively already knew it in your mind, for that law is written on your mind and placed on your heart?

There is still discernment between sheep and goats, how do you think that is done; whether the Law is written on you heart or not you are still required to keep it,

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

I chatted to one seventh day Adventist and told them I was assured of heaven( for Christ was my righteousness before God)
They had a worried look on their face and replied:
I cant say that.
What they meant was. They weren't sure they could well enough obey the ten commandments

No, to emphatically say you are saved is presumption and pride and that is sin and would disqualify said salvation. We have the assurance of salvation through faith but assurance is not a guarantee. Let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

 

[mark wright]

No, to emphatically say you are saved is presumption and pride and that is sin and would disqualify said salvation. We have the assurance of salvation through faith but assurance is not a guarantee. Let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

There is no pride in believing you are secure with God because you have no righteousness of your own, Christ is your sole righteousness for heaven. The people I have seen display the most pride are those who earnestly stress the ten commandments must be obeyed( to attain heaven)
Thats I a performance based righteousness/ justification. It leads to pride

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

There is no pride in believing you are secure with God because you have no righteousness of your own, Christ is your sole righteousness for heaven. The people I have seen display the most pride are those who earnestly stress the ten commandments must be obeyed( to attain heaven)
Thats I a performance based righteousness/ justification. It leads to pride

The 'once saved always saved' folks believe they are saved no matter what. That is the danger of being arrogant in the assumption of our standing before God.

Obedience to the 10 Commandments is stressed multiple times to be the requirement for entrance into Heaven. That's not pride, that's reading the scriptures plainly. That said, my salvation is never 'guaranteed' because I can fall into temptation and sin and not repent of it because of pride... maybe because I already feel I am saved?

 

[sparow]

Oh, OK. Sure. "The truth is suppressed". Of course.

Satan is not idle; deception is a continuing process.

 

[Armoured]

Satan is not idle; deception is a continuing process.

Mmhmm.If you want to believe anti-Catholic propaganda made up from whole cloth, I can't stop you. As for me, I'll stick with the historically plausible and supported facts, thanks.

 

[sparow]

The author directly states that the Son is entirely different from the angels by nature. I really don't know how people can miss that.

You understand the scripture differently to me; but you are right as a human being Jesus was not an angel but before His human birth He was not human.

 

[mark wright]

Obedience to the 10 Commandments is stressed multiple times to be the requirement for entrance into Heaven?

The above is the misunderstanding of the message most make.
It places you under the law.
It states you have a righteousness/ justification before God of observing the law, that is NOT the message.

You do know the bible states the ten commandments are the ministration of death don't you?