Why do other Christians hate Calvinist so much?

Hupomone10 · Jan 16, 2012

Bella Vita said:
I really don't understand this very clear hatred of those who believe in the theory of Calvinism. You may disagree and that is your right but it is also our right to believe in it. There are scriptures to back both sides of this debate to each his own after doing your own individual research. I see it all over CF and it gets very mean and cruel at times. Something about this debate makes people leave the Christian part of them outside the debate and the anger takes over. I don't see why this has to divide us as much as it does we all have the same big goal and the same big belief system. The little stuff is stupid to fight over discuss it give your views fine but when it crosses into being sinful behavior to back your side enough is enough you are no longer pleasing anyone especially not God!

Everyone here really needs to reel it in on this topic. I have seen enough around here to make me sick. Many should be ashamed of the way they have behaved toward others because of this topic.

Get it together and be like Christ in all things!!

I know there is a lot of animosity of people to people, for human nature is what it is, and salvation doesn't change the flesh. The mind has to be renewed (Romans 12:1) even though the spirit has been regenerated.

But, don't mistake disagreement, even emotionally intense disagreement of a doctrine, with hatred of the person.

I'll look up some things and post them later so you can see some of the animosity I've encountered just because I'm not perceived to be as much a Calvinist as 5-pointers are.

In general, you probably encounter negativity when you introduce yourself as a Calvinist because the thing people think of is limited atonement. And they think that presents God as a God of favoritism who likes some people and hates others indiscriminately. Therefore they see you wrongly through this same lens, as a person who likes some and hates others, indiscriminately.

Unless we are able to separate ideas from the person, we will always encounter this, and will always project this.

Blessings,
H.

twin1954 · Jan 16, 2012

Skala said:
Yes. That's exactly what Calvinists believe.

Every single person who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.

Not one more, and not one less. That's what Calvinists believe.

We believe in whosoever will we just don't believe in whosoever won't. Contrary to the vitriol spouted Calvinists don't believe God drags anyone into His kingdom against their will.

Robs07M6S · Jan 16, 2012

cimbk said:
why would you need to stay close to Christ, He will never leave you or forsake you, and those decieving spirits are only a concern for the unsaved, it would be impossible for a predestined elect to be deceivedall those warnings though given to the church, were for the unsaved......not exactly sure why but, the only other interpretation would mean they might be deceived.....but well you know!

God uses such Biblical warnings to keep his elect from falling away, he uses these means to accomplish his end purpose and I can guarentee you from scripture that he will lose none of his sheep and will raise them up at the last day.

Rhamiel · Jan 16, 2012

many calvinists, not all but many, do not consider Catholics to really be christians, so I have a negative view of Calvinism and a distrust of its teachings
that coupled with a very differant theology makes me not like Calvinism
that said, I have been friends with many Calvinists and some of the best Christians I know are Baptists, really kind people who shine with the peace and love of Christ

Bella Vita · Jan 16, 2012

His_disciple3 said:
ok bella, I am not discussing with you about the doctrine of calvinism you have stated in other post that you don't believe, what true calvinist believe. so my discussion with you is why say you are a calvinist? you can say you see salvation by predestination without labeling yourself as a calvinist! if we have no free will, and the Sovereign God of the Universe, is in charge. and He makes people love Him and He makes people do what they do, then the islamics involved in 911, had no responiblities for all those deaths, they were obedient to God even though they claim to serve another god, God of the Christian bible made them kill all those people for He is sovereign according to the calvinist doctrine and nothing happens without him being in charge, nothing? if all men have sinned through Adam then the calvinist god made me sin but yet may hold me responsible for that sin. with no way of escaping the wages of sin, and yet he is just and sovereign because he is god! and when the same scriptures that says he is sovereign and put a sin nature on all men, I am wrong when I say that the scriptures say that all men can come into that righteousness, that all men will have the same choice to escape that sin nature through Jesus Christ the Righteous!
Bella could you say with all your heart that you fully understand the Calvinist explanation of who god is and how he works, and that you totally agree with that explanation of God?

I am a 4.5 point Calvinist not a 5 point but I am still a Calvinist. I came to this a few months ago because I could not in my heart read scripture and not believe that it is fully God and has nothing at all to do with us.

Bella Vita · Jan 16, 2012

cimbk said:
your own post reflects you see the truth but your indoctrination holds you back from recieving the truth, you say "there are scriptures to back both sides".........a correct interpretation then would be both sides are right on this issue and either one by itself is wrong. this is the way one rightly divides the word of God, I don't hate Calvinist, I hate not keeping in allignment with what the bible teaches, one of the first things wrong about Calvinism is naming your faction or sect after a man who designed this doctrine, right out of the biblical gate this is error, why don't you see that? and at least for starters stop calling yourself "Calvinest" its unbiblical! as for why so many are strongly against this one sided teaching, because its built on a few passages, and so many others contradict it, in so many ways, that it has only one possibility, that it is error for it to stand alone as a truth. also the ramifications of this teaching for some (not all) are disasterous, not for Calvin himself (at least not yet) or anyone else that lived a godly life and allowed the Holy Spirit to correct wrong behaviors. If the bible is a good and faithful guide, why does it hold so many things against Calvinistic teaching.......that is what angers many Christians, much the same way the Jehovah Witnesses have rewritten the bible to the tune of their false doctrine. bottom line Calvinist teaching has taken a truth and carried it so far to one side of the road that it went into the ditch. It lacks any biblical balance

No I am saying I have done my own research into both sides and think both sides put up a good argument. But I clearly think One side is stronger than the other hence why I picked it. It has all Biblical balance because it is based on God's sovereign will and none of our own because we are totally dead to our sin.

Osage Bluestem · Jan 16, 2012

I was predestined to be a Calvinist

Hupomone10 · Jan 16, 2012

I chose to be Calvinist, which is probably why I'm not 5-Pointer! ? Not chosen..., can't be...

Bella,

I'm less than you (> 4.5), but nevertheless here's a sample of what I get just because it was a person basically Church of Christ, who is Arminian. This was in one post...

You deny the very wording of Scripture and to what benefit, to save a false doctrine.

The only thing that is ridiculous is the idea that prayer the definition here.

You will provide an answer I know, any monkey can do that.

No you want to fight with the 'Church of Christer', since you have a bias against them. Its simply to bad that your hate is so misplaced.

You are ignorant concerning me and concerning the sciptures.

You speak of terms however you know nothing of, 'learner', 'humility'. Your mission is to skew the facts to save face.

Pride an arrogance are a more fitting definition for the attitude you display friend.

You are emotionally unstable if you define what your treatment of me in your posts as Love. I think the word you are looking for is hate, as that is all you have spit out thus far...

Of course, there was more, but I condensed to show the attacks...
The word Calvinism never came up in the thread, I don't think, but just having one's doctrinal comfort box threatened will eventually bring fleshly comments from the person. The flesh likes to defend its turf, and the "good flesh", the self-righteous side vs the unrighteous side, will go on the attack whenever it believes "orthodox" doctrine is being attacked, whether Arminian or Calvinist.

Next will be comments from Calvinists...

Osage Bluestem · Jan 16, 2012

Hupomone10 said:
I chose to be Calvinist, which is probably why I'm not 5-Pointer! ? Not chosen..., can't be...

Bella,

I'm less than you (> 4.5), but nevertheless here's a sample of what I get just because it was a person basically Church of Christ, who is Arminian. This was in one post...

You deny the very wording of Scripture and to what benefit, to save a false doctrine.

The only thing that is ridiculous is the idea that prayer the definition here.

You will provide an answer I know, any monkey can do that.

No you want to fight with the 'Church of Christer', since you have a bias against them. Its simply to bad that your hate is so misplaced.

You are ignorant concerning me and concerning the sciptures.

You speak of terms however you know nothing of, 'learner', 'humility'. Your mission is to skew the facts to save face.

Pride an arrogance are a more fitting definition for the attitude you display friend.

You are emotionally unstable if you define what your treatment of me in your posts as Love. I think the word you are looking for is hate, as that is all you have spit out thus far...

Of course, there was more, but I condensed to show the attacks...
The word Calvinism never came up in the thread, I don't think, but just having one's doctrinal comfort box threatened will eventually bring fleshly comments from the person. The flesh likes to defend its turf, and the "good flesh", the self-righteous side vs the unrighteous side, will go on the attack whenever it believes "orthodox" doctrine is being attacked, whether Arminian or Calvinist.

Next will be comments from Calvinists...

There is much warranted debate about if the Church of Christ is actually a cult or not. They are pretty far out there doctrinally.

Is the Church of Christ a Cult?

Hupomone10 · Jan 16, 2012

Osage Bluestem said:
There is much warranted debate about if the Church of Christ is actually a cult or not. They are pretty far out there doctrinally.

Is the Church of Christ a Cult?

I've always wondered about that. Thanks for the link.

Hupomone10 · Jan 16, 2012

Bella Vita said:
I really don't understand this very clear hatred of those who believe in the theory of Calvinism. You may disagree and that is your right but it is also our right to believe in it.
I have seen enough around here to make me sick. Many should be ashamed of the way they have behaved toward others because of this topic.

Get it together and be like Christ in all things!!

Amen!

I promised the other side of the fence. This sort of thing is not isolated to attack on Calvinists. Here are two recent ones on the Semper Reformada sub-forum, not to me personally.

"Is the god of the Arminain God? Not at all. The pygmy god of Arminianism is a figment of men's imaginations and is no more able to save than a knat can. Does God desire anything that He can't have? The Arminian god does. Is there anything God wants that He can't bring about? That is the god of Arminianism.

"Calling an Arminian brother isnt being compassionate toward their error it is assenting to their heresy. If you believe that they are saved then why even try to show them Calvinism?"

The following ones were directed at me in several posts from a well-known Calvinist on the Soteriology sub-forum, but not on the Baptist sub-forum. It was on a thread I started called verses supporting predestination & election, verses supporting man's responsibility. It got the attention of the resident attack dog

"another person who has come here to combat a perceived theological bent out of some kind of paranoia."

"Patronizing."

"paranoia, antagonization."

"we will see if true colors come out for all to see."

"no grand Illuminati strategy".

"hyper-Calvinist theologians are not hiding under your bed or in your closet."

"put away the tin-foil hat for a moment".

"the monsters are not out to get you.

"No, rather, I think this is more paranoia talking."

"Tell the little birds whispering in your ear to fly away."

"How about some substance now so what you really believe can come out in the open."

"If your conduct and few posts with substance are any indication, it is becoming quite clear what your true colors."

This kind of self-righteousness is nauseating to me.

I need to point out that these are two of the more belligerent 5-pointers out there, and not typical of those Ive known generally on here.

Bella,

One thing that's curious to me. Why do you identify yourself to others as Calvinist?

In 30+ years as a believer, until I came onto CF I've never had more than a couple of encounters with fellow brothers and sisters where I felt the need to identify myself as such or where they did so either. Doctrinal discussions in the myriads, but never the label thrown out there. It many times became obvious where one stood, but generally Christians don't in my experience feel the need to identify themselves with the label of either Calvinist or Arminian.

Just wondering...

Lik3 · Jan 16, 2012

I am naive about this because I have no issue with Calvinists or Calvinism. What do Calvinists teach?

Osage Bluestem · Jan 16, 2012

Lik3 said:
I am naive about this because I have no issue with Calvinists or Calvinism. What do Calvinists teach?

The truth.

98cwitr · Jan 16, 2012

Lik3 said:
I am naive about this because I have no issue with Calvinists or Calvinism. What do Calvinists teach?

Calvinism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

His_disciple3 · Jan 16, 2012

wpbarrett said:
i agree alot with Calvin, but i will not label myself a Calvinist. the word of God was around way before Calvin was. I prefer and love the title Christian its enough for me, and I'm very thankful for it.

BRAVO MY FRIEND!!

DIANAC · Jan 16, 2012

I love Calvinists, but strongly disagree with Calvinism that teaches another Gospel, diminishes the completed work of my Jesus claiming that he died for only tiny portion of humanity.
I love Calvinists, but strongly do not like divisive Calvinism. Nowadays they put people out of church because they are not Calvinists. This is what happened to us. Non-Calvinists were not even allowed to be in a worship team and had to leave. And one middle aged lady who for years played the piano was asked to step down, again because she was not a Calvinist.
I love Calvinists, but strongly oppose Calvinism that snatches hope from the unsaved and throws into a despair many sinning Christians who think that they are predestined for Hell.
I love Calvinists!

His_disciple3 · Jan 16, 2012

DeaconDean said:
Here again, if you cannot produce a post where I said what you accuse me of, you are spreading false accusations.

So I demand that you do one of three things.

Either apologize, recant, or produce the post.

I'm taking issue with your false accusations of me, spreading lies about me.

Either produce the post or have the Baptist area here know you that you falsely accuse brethren.

I'll be waiting.

Click to expand...

God Bless
Till all are one.

wait all you want, report me to whoever, your demands or threats don't scare me, deac! I was only addressing Calvinist so if you are a calvinist then God so loved the World in John 3:16 can't mean the whole World, And I have never meet a true calvinist that says it means the whole world! it is Limited atonement in the Tulip doctrine of Grace, and Jesus did not die for the whole world, only the world of the elect, according to the calvinist doctrine. A true calvinist will come up against anyone who says that Jesus death was in vain for the ones that He died for. So if anyone goes to hell Jesus did not die for them, or that in John 3:17 that He died that the World MIGHT BE SAVED.

the World in John 3:16 and 17 means the whole world but if you are a calvinist you can't admit that. and it is proven in scriptures, that it is not limited atonement by : 1 John 2:1-2
2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
KJV

His_disciple3 · Jan 16, 2012

ByronArn said:
I don't hate Calvinists. I don't even hate Calvinism. I disagree with some of their interpretations, but I don't hate them. Hate does not exist within me, since Christ regenerated me.

I am a Reformed (aka, Classical) Arminian. There are some things I disagree with Calvinism on, and there are some things I disagree with most Arminians on. But I value diversity within the Church. I don't think God ever meant for every single Christian to see things the exact same way.

I know what you mean by this post but You have to hate evil, you have to hate false doctrines, Job hated evil, and paul and the disciples (excluding Judas) stood up against false teachings. your understanding of not thinking that God ever meant for all to see things the exact way, is straight from the gates of hell itself,

Ephesians 4:13-15
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
KJV
nowhere in the Bible will you find "to agree to disagree"

His_disciple3 · Jan 16, 2012

VCViking said:
Do you go to a church? Does this church have Pastors, Elders, Deacons? If you do, then you sit under their peaching and teaching. Are they liars because they are men?

Are you saying the Bible is wrong and that some men ain't lairs

Hammster · Jan 16, 2012

DIANAC said:
I love Calvinists, but strongly disagree with Calvinism that teaches another Gospel, diminishes the completed work of my Jesus claiming that he died for only tiny portion of humanity.
I love Calvinists, but strongly do not like divisive Calvinism. Nowadays they put people out of church because they are not Calvinists. This is what happened to us. Non-Calvinists were not even allowed to be in a worship team and had to leave. And one middle aged lady who for years played the piano was asked to step down, again because she was not a Calvinist.
I love Calvinists, but strongly oppose Calvinism that snatches hope from the unsaved and throws into a despair many sinning Christians who think that they are predestined for Hell.
I love Calvinists!

Thanks for the admission that you know nothing about that which you oppose. It's almost refreshing.

Btw, what's the name of your church? I'd like to send a letter to the pastor and confront him about what he did. I think it was wrong.

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