Why do most christians not follow the 10 commandments?

[Call me Nic]

My answer to the OP is: because it's hard, and actually, impossible while in the flesh.

 

[Kaon]

If you go that route, then you have to deny all of Scripture. Because not all of Scripture was written for everybody.
Everybody can learn form all of Scripture.
It says in Deuteronomy that the law is not to hard to keep.
Why then is it written in Psalm 14?
14:2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
14:3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
If the 10 Commandments weren't hard to keep, why is it there wasn't even one that kept it?
Or are you going to say that David lied to?
Maybe God wasn't referring to the 10 Commandments when He said that His law wasn't to hard to keep.

And it is the law of faith we are required to keep.
Because nobody kept the 10 Commandments, therefore everybody had to trust in Him for mercy.

I only have to be ignorant of those who contradict the Word of God. Faith without works is dead; your salvation has already been claimed. Your living faith comes from being obedient to the commandments of God despite the awesome, undeserved gift Christ gave us. That is our way to show Him love: by keeping His commandments close rather than far away. The patriarchs understood this well: that Christ was righteous, and those who follow Him must also be righteous/upright. You don't become upright if you throw away and neglect to try to follow the commandments of God.

It isn't the Law that saves; it is the Law that reveals you need to be saved in the first place. However, if you can show me a place where God Himself said that we don't have to follow His commandments anymore, I am all ears.

It doesn't matter if you fail at any one law, what matters is that you have the faith to strive for obedience as a pleasing action to God even though Christ has paved a way for salvation for all of us. It is what a wise kid should do: continuously strive to follow their parent's rules.

 

[bugkiller]

I only have to be ignorant of those who contradict the Word of God. Faith without works is dead; your salvation has already been claimed. Your living faith comes from being obedient to the commandments of God despite the awesome, undeserved gift Christ gave us. That is our way to show Him love: by keeping His commandments close rather than far away. The patriarchs understood this well: that Christ was righteous, and those who follow Him must also be righteous/upright. You don't become upright if you throw away and neglect to try to follow the commandments of God.

It isn't the Law that saves; it is the Law that reveals you need to be saved in the first place. However, if you can show me a place where God Himself said that we don't have to follow His commandments anymore, I am all ears.

It doesn't matter if you fail at any one law, what matters is that you have the faith to strive for obedience as a pleasing action to God even though Christ has paved a way for salvation for all of us. It is what a wise kid should do: continuously strive to follow their parent's rules.

You have word problems adversely affecting what you believe. No where does the Scripture say if we love God we keep the law. We have a better covenant based on promises instead of law. Heb 8:6. Besides that Jeremiah said a "new" covenant unlike the ole covenant given at Sinai. Jesus said we have a "new" testament (covenant) in Lk 22:20. There was a first covenant and there is a second replacing the first. Heb 8:7, 10:9.

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[bugkiller]

God did not say this; Paul did.
Show me where GOD said we have permission to disobey His commands.

It is obvious you do not accept the writings of Paul as Scripture. It is also obvious you do not accept the new covenant in full. That is complete rejection.

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[bugkiller]

It would appear..

That is how false doctrine starts. Christ would not be vague about the Law; where did He expliticlt say that we don't have to follow the Law of God anymore?

Jn 15:10

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[bugkiller]

If Paul contradicts God, Paul is a liar. GOD said that if you love Him you will keep His commandments. Name one place where God explicitly says that His laws do not have to be followed anymore. Only God has the authority to change law, not Paul.

God did exactly that just like He promised through His prophet Jeremiah and Jesus (God) testified is current.

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[bugkiller]

No, YOU and I DO NOT get to decide what day is Sabbath. Sabbath since the VERY BEGINNING was and IS the 6th day.

Nowhere in scripture can you cite 2 or more verses that make unmistakably clear that Sabbath can be whatever day you want to make it.

And yes, IMO we are to obey the statues, decree's, ordinances and commandments of G-d.

Abraham who was not a son if Isreal did that very thing and we are to do as well.

Passages in Deuteronomy, Leviticus, and Numbers all say the same thing... THERE IS 1 law for both you (Jew) and the Alien among you (everyone who is not a Jew)

Now for the New Testament: Rev 14:12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

There can be no mistaking that THIS is referring to the Torah.

Paul tells us that we goy (gentiles) are GRAFTED INTO Israel. G-d gave the Torah to ALL of Israel and the prophet Jerimiah speaks of the New Covenant when he plainly shows that it is the TORAH written on the heart and in the mind of the believer.

Tell me, should the believer who is walking with G-d obey the 10 commandments? Should we not take G-d's name in vain? Is it okay for us to commit adultery? To covet our neighbor's property? Is it fine for us to lie under oath (bear false witness)? What about Idolatry? Is murder okay?

No real believer would EVER suggest that ANY of the above is acceptable. Hence you already know that you are to abstain from doing those things. So you AlREADY agree with the Torah!

It is obvious we have different version of what we call Scripture. What you refer to you obviously do not read and apply what it says. I do not live among the Jews as an alien in Israel. Jews live as aliens in the US among gentiles.

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[bugkiller]

Wrong.
Yeshua made it plainly clear that the Torah was to be OBEYED. His word is ABOVE ALL OTHERS PERIOD.

36“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38This is the great and first commandment. 39And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40On these two commandments depend on all the Law and the Prophets.”

12So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

13Did that which is good, then, bring death to me? By no means! It was sin, producing death in me through what is good, in order that sin might be shown to be sin, and through the commandment might become sinful beyond measure. 14For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin.15For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good.

Yeshua's death and resurrection free us FROM SIN. This then frees us to RIGHTLY walk, upright in OBEDIENCE to the will of the Father. The Law/TORAH NEVER produces salvation. The Torah is ENTIRELY about showing us HOW to love G-d properly and HOW to love our Neighbor as we love ourselves. Left to do this thing in our own eyes (do what we think is right.) is NOT being obedient. In fact, any time in scripture you see this, G-d calls it EVIL.

Sunday has always been the 1st day of the week and Saturday has ALWAYS been th Sabbath. You can choose to be obedient and start to observe it or you can choose to be the like the prodigal son who was disobedient. You can choose to walk in your own way doing your own will OR you can say, not my will but your will be done, Father.

Why are you running the words of Jesus and Paul together as the same speaker without reference. Is it because you said bad things about Paul?

You can not sneak in the guarded back door.

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[bugkiller]

No, you still don't see. Yeshua IS the Torah. To say "oh I dont have to walk in it" is to deny who Messiah actually is... he is the Torah become Flesh that John speaks of in Chapter 1

This is a twisted misapplication of the word Torah.

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[Copperhead]

I realize in some folk's zeal to do right they can get all caught up in details and overlook the one they should be focused on. The example for us is the letter from Yeshua to the congregation at Ephesus. They were so caught up in the details, they forgot their first love.... Yeshua.

Re-read Revelation 2:1-7.

Getting all caught up in ritual observance can be a stumbling block. And if one starts laying guilt trips on other believers over these things, then they have become like the Ephesians that Yeshua wrote to. It is human nature to think we have to do something to earn our way. It is the basis of every religion in the world. And it is that which we should work to overcome. Christianity is not a religion, it is a relationship.

 

[Kaon]

I realize in some folk's zeal to do right they can get all caught up in details and overlook the one they should be focused on. The example for us is the letter from Yeshua to the congregation at Ephesus. They were so caught up in the details, they forgot their first love.... Yeshua.

Re-read Revelation 2:1-7.

Getting all caught up in ritual observance can be a stumbling block. And if one starts laying guilt trips on other believers over these things, then they have become like the Ephesians that Yeshua wrote to. It is human nature to think we have to do something to earn our way. It is the basis of every religion in the world. And it is that which we should work to overcome. Christianity is not a religion, it is a relationship.

Gods commandments aren't rituals. What man has done to them is the ritual, and the perversion.

God's commandments are for anyone that want to be His; there isn't any forcing of the hand. If you don't want to His, then don't follow His commandments. But, don't make Him out to be a liar or renege of His word by claiming He does not want us to follow His commandments, or that they are void for some of us.


Nowhere does He say this.

 

[Doug Melven]

He does not want us to follow His commandments, or that they are void for some of us.


Nowhere does He say this.

Which tree do you think the 10 Commandments came from?
The Tree of Life or the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil?
The 10 Commandments provide knowledge of good and evil,
God told Adam he was not to eat the fruit of the Tree of knowledge of good and evil. The day he did, he would die.
The day the law was given, 3000 people died.
When the ark of the Covenant was opened God killed them. The tablets of the covenant were in there along with 5 golden emerods.
1 Samuel 6:19 And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.

 

[Tayla]

I can't seem to find a single christian who follows the sabbath and I am not understanding why?

The New Testament says that Christians only have to obey the other 9 commandments. The sabbath was specifically for the Israelite nation.

 

[1stcenturylady]

The New Testament says that Christians only have to obey the other 9 commandments. The sabbath was specifically for the Israelite nation.

I don't agree. I don't have any desire to break any of the other commandments as the Holy Spirit took me out of the flesh and into the Spirit. But the spirit of the 4th commandment we as Christians obey more than all the rest. Not by the letter (a day), but by the Spirit (resting in Christ).

 

[Kaon]

Which tree do you think the 10 Commandments came from?
The Tree of Life or the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil?
The 10 Commandments provide knowledge of good and evil,
God told Adam he was not to eat the fruit of the Tree of knowledge of good and evil. The day he did, he would die.
The day the law was given, 3000 people died.
When the ark of the Covenant was opened God killed them. The tablets of the covenant were in there along with 5 golden emerods.
1 Samuel 6:19 And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.

The Ten Commandments are part of the innumerable, infinite Word of God. The Literal Word of God told Moses the 10 commandments. Whatever God says is the Truth, the Way, the Life and a commandment (if it is a declarative.)

It is the Word of God. They are the commandments of God. It is asinine to believe the Law is an assault, or burden. The Law is the Word of God, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. All things that were created were created by Him.

Where does God, or [the Word of] God ever say that we can stop following any one of His commandments?

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. John 15:10

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Who is the Father of Christ? What are His commandments? We are expected to be just like Christ in uprightness - Perfect. Clearly, we cant; however, we are given the grace to try to be perfect and repent when we come short of perfection - striving toward sanctification just like the notable patriarchs.

 

[1stcenturylady]

The Ten Commandments are part of the innumerable, infinite Word of God. The Literal Word of God told Moses the 10 commandments. Whatever God says is the Truth, the Way, the Life and a commandment (if it is a declarative.)

It is the Word of God. They are the commandments of God. It is asinine to believe the Law is an assault, or burden. The Law is the Word of God, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. All things that were created were created by Him.

Where does God, or [the Word of] God ever say that we can stop following any one of His commandments?

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. John 15:10

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Who is the Father of Christ? What are His commandments? We are expected to be just like Christ in uprightness - Perfect. Clearly, we cant; however, we are given the grace to try to be perfect and repent when we come short of perfection - striving toward sanctification just like the notable patriarchs.

Look at John 15:10 again.
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. John 15:10

Do you know what the commandments of Jesus are? What did he teach? That is a clue.

 

[Doug Melven]

Who is the Father of Christ? What are His commandments? We are expected to be just like Christ in uprightness - Perfect. Clearly, we cant; however, we are given the grace to try to be perfect and repent when we come short of perfection - striving toward sanctification just like the notable patriarchs.

Where does God say you don't have to be circumcised?
What about the the 7th year Sabbath?

Do you keep both of those?

 

[Hank77]

The 10 Commandments are the Old Covenant made with Israel at MT Sinai. It was only given for a time until....and it's mediator was Moses.
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Jesus was the Seed who would come and that the promise was made to. He is the mediator of the New Covenant.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Jesus and the Apostles gave us instruction in love and good works and the commandments of Christ are written on our hearts.

 

[Kaon]

Where does God say you don't have to be circumcised?
What about the the 7th year Sabbath?

Do you keep both of those?

Circumcision is a personal matter between my Father, parents, and me. But, to answer a deeper question, it doesn't say anywhere that children of Abraham don't have to be circumcised. That was an everlasting covenant between Abraham, his seed, and the Most High God. However, circumcision isn't a requirement for salvation, and will depend on the intelligence of who is an Hebrew (according to God,) - or seed of Abraham - and who is not. Clearly Christ has told us there are impostors among us: people who claim to be Hebrews but are not. This isn't just spiritual.


The Sabbath is very clearly outlined in the bible canon by the Most High God - given to Moses and the Hebrews.

The Jubilee years are clearly outlined - I own no slaves.



God isn't ignorant or stupid; He knows even those who may be the [unaware] uncircumcised children of Abraham, but still follow Him. He will educate and direct them in their time, because despite their ignorance, they strive toward obedience and the sound of their Father's voice:

Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the Lord hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me.

The ox knoweth his owner, and the ass his master's crib: but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider.

Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the Lord, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.

Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.

From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.

Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.

And the daughter of Zion is left as a cottage in a vineyard, as a lodge in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city.

Except the Lord of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.

Hear the word of the Lord, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.

To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?

Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.

Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;

Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow. Isaiah 1:2-17​

God has always appreciated and demanded obedience. We have grace to fall short because of Christ's sacrifice, but Christ also showed the Law of God isn't too hard for a carnal human to follow. God even highlights this prophecy of Grace through Messiah in a poignant verse:

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. Isaiah 1:18
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Like any Perfect parent, He is willing to help us as unique individuals so long as we review our folly, and strive to eliminate our shortcomings. But, Perfect (or, good/great) parents demand obedience to their rules - especially in their house.

An adversary god may have dominion over this planet for now, but the Most High God owns all things. Creation is His house. Entities in His house follow His rules, or they fall like the Satans (principalities, powers and archons,) and Adam.

Now, I have answered your questions in detail. Please tell me where God says that we do not have to follow His commandments - whether we are Gentile or Hebrew? Only from the Most High God, or [the Word of] God.

 

[Hank77]

That was an everlasting covenant between Abraham, his seed, and the Most High God.

Who, according to scripture, was Abraham's seed?

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.