Why do most christians not follow the 10 commandments?

[Kaon]

The LORD declared that when Israel returned to the land in great numbers, no longer following the stubbornness of their evil hearts, that the people of Israel will NO LONGER even think about the ark of the covenant. It will NEVER enter their minds, it will NOT be missed, and another will NEVER be made.

God said in those days they will not have to obey His commandments given on the mountain for worship.

Jeremiah 3
16 In those days, when your numbers have increased greatly in the land,” declares the LORD, “people will no longer say, ‘The ark of the covenant of the LORD.’ It will never enter their minds or be remembered; it will not be missed, nor will another one be made.
17 At that time they will call Jerusalem The Throne of the LORD, and all nations will gather in Jerusalem to honor the name of the LORD. No longer will they follow the stubbornness of their evil hearts.
18 In those days the people of Judah will join the people of Israel, and together they will come from a northern land to the land I gave your ancestors as an inheritance.​

Now look at the immediate connection between 'those days' and the Messiah. When Jesus comes to rule the land, in his days Israel will be restored and live in safety. When those days come, the LORD declares the people will NO LONGER speak about being rescued and saved 'up out of Egypt', but speak how God rescued and saved Israel from exile into the world.

Jeremiah 23
5 “The days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will raise up for David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land.
6 In his days Judah will be saved and Israel will live in safety. This is the name by which he will be called: The LORD Our Righteous Savior.
7“So then, the days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when people will no longer say, ‘As surely as the LORD lives, who brought the Israelites up out of Egypt,’
8but they will say, ‘As surely as the LORD lives, who brought the descendants of Israel up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them.’ Then they will live in their own land.”
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So we have Jeremiah stating, the LORD declared, that when Messiah comes to restore all things the ark of the covenant will never be remembered or remade, as well as the redemption out of Egypt entirely. No ark, and no memorial of being redeemed out of Egypt to receive the law.

When Messiah comes to restore all things he will NOT be restoring the earthly tabernacle because he has established a more perfect sanctuary. Hebrews 9, Hebrews 10.

The Ark of the Covenant won't be made or remembered by consequence. It was a "part" of God that was with the Hebrews; Christ is now entirely with us.

In fact, the New Covenant (also in Jeremiah) does not say that we get a pass on following His commandments, it states the LAW will be written on our HEARTS so that no one will have to ask, "Do you know God?"

In other words, we shouldn't have to refer to the written law - the one that was bondage - because it is now in our hearts. We do a lot of mental and spiritual gymnastics to deny what we know is right and wrong.



Again, where does God, or [the Word of] God specifically state that we no longer have to follow His commandments He gave to Moses, or that came through the Word of God? I am not taking a man's word for something that contradicts the Most High God. If God said we need to be obedient, it would be foolish of me to trust any entity that said otherwise, no?


That is why I am genuinely asking where God, or [the Word of] God states we no longer have to follow His commandments.

 

[BukiRob]

The Ark of the Covenant won't be made or remembered by consequence. It was a "part" of God that was with the Hebrews; Christ is now entirely with us.

In fact, the New Covenant (also in Jeremiah) does not say that we get a pass on following His commandments, it states the LAW will be written on our HEARTS so that no one will have to ask, "Do you know God?"

In other words, we shouldn't have to refer to the written law - the one that was bondage - because it is now in our hearts. We do a lot of mental and spiritual gymnastics to deny what we know is right and wrong.



Again, where does God, or [the Word of] God specifically state that we no longer have to follow His commandments He gave to Moses, or that came through the Word of God? I am not taking a man's word for something that contradicts the Most High God. If God said we need to be obedient, it would be foolish of me to trust any entity that said otherwise, no?


That is why I am genuinely asking where God, or [the Word of] God states we no longer have to follow His commandments.

Nowhere does it say this? My journey to recognizing that the Torah was to be woven into my daily life was a long one.

I was so frustrated with my walk and the unending contradictions and hoops that we have to bend, push twist and distort scripture to do away with the Law that I was really ready to just walk completely away.

About 4 years ago one day I just prayed a simple prayer and that changed EVERYTHING. I just said Father, show me the TRUTH. I will lay down everything I have been taught, everything I think is the truth and if you will show me the truth I will go there.

I will give you an example of what happened there are MANY others but these are 2 simple examples.

In the book of John, it starts: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. G-d asked me a simple question, one that I had never asked myself... WHAT WORD is John talking about? We've all heard the teaching of the LOGO's... but that doesn't answer the question.

You see, there is only 1 word that existed at the time John is writing this down. One WORD that was considered among Jews as FACE TO FACE communication and that is the TORAH. Yes, the Nevi'im (prophets) and Ketuvim (writings) are all inspired scripture! But the Torah was G-d speaking directly, audibly to Moses. And it is THIS that John is speaking of.

For the commandment is a lamp and the teaching a light, and the reproofs of discipline are the way of life,

Keep my commandments and live, And my teaching as the apple of your eye.

Of course, it is on the witness of 2 or more than a matter is established.

Later in John Yeshua says "I am the way, the truth and the life no one comes to the Father but through me." While the plain teaching on this is 100% correct there is a FAR deeper thing being said here.

There are numerous passages establishing that the Torah is LIFE. In fact, Moses in the Torah itself admonishes to obey the Torah and by doing so you are choosing LIFE.

The sum of your word is truth, and every one of your righteous rules endures forever.

Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is truth.

I will run in the way of your commandments when you enlarge my heart!

Lead me in the path of your commandments, for I delight in it.

Oh that my ways may be steadfast in keeping your statutes!

Your word is a lamp for my feet and a light on my path.

So as we can see, the Commandments/Torah are the WAY, TRUTH, and LIFE.

What John is showing us, is that Yeshua is the Torah become Flesh and dwelling among us.

This would make sense as to how angry he got in the Temple when accusing the Pharisee's of Not understanding the Torah when he railed against them for missing the part about Torah being full of mercy and even more so when he said to them "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; 40yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. 41I do not receive glory from people. 42But I know that you do not have the love of God within you. 43I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him. 44How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God? 45Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father. There is one who accuses you: Moses, on whom you have set your hope. 46For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. 47But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?”

 

[ralliann]

And that is true. But the Jerusalem council in Acts that I referred to was before the destruction of the Temple. They set the precedence that all the Apostles agreed to and gave as a directive.

Really, the only issue that seems to divide folks on the keeping the Law idea is the Shabbat. No one really argues about adultery, murder, stealing, etc that is also part the 10 commandments. Those center around the basic idea that Yeshua taught about loving one's neighbor as oneself.

The danger in focusing in on one law like the Shabbat and using it as a standard to judge others is the risk of falling into pride. That somehow the person who ritually observes the Shabbat is better than the other person who does not. Paul had some very definite words about such things, and those words were not complimentary. The Torah exposes sin in us. It is possible that those who are so focused on Shabbat and holding it over others heads are in fact sinning because they have fallen into pride.

Colossians 2:16-17 (TLV) Therefore, do not let anyone pass judgment on you in matters of food or drink, or in respect to a festival or new moon or Shabbat. 17 These are a foreshadowing of things to come, but the reality is Messiah.

If one chooses to hold tight to Shabbat observance with humility, that is to be honored. But if they hold to Shabbat observance in any other way, and make it a standard for others, then they are not acting out of humility and love but in fact turning to works righteousness, which is sin. And then we digress into arguments on what constitutes proper observance of Shabbat. It then becomes a pit to fall in to.

I agree with what you say with one tweak. The Sabbath day does not need be Saturday. Any day given for rest in honor of Gods command to work 6 days and rest on the Sabbath should be equally respected.
I am not exactly sure your meaning concerning the council in acts. I assume that Gentiles need not keep Jewish law? To rest at regular intervals is a moral issue. What day of the week that is, is not.
Adam toiled all the days of his life due to a curse.....

 

[ralliann]

One Law teachers make a big point of James’s statement that “Moses has been read every week in the Synagogue” (Acts 15:21). This is taken to imply that Gentile believers will, in the normal course of their new life, attend synagogue and adopt more and more of the whole Torah. Since Torah life is good and beautiful, why wouldn’t he? On this basis, the verse is taken as an exhortation to further learning and the adoption of the whole Torah. Thus, One Law teachers transform an ambiguous statement into a strong and unambiguous exhortation.

They apparently overlook, however, the fact that these words spoken in the council were not included in the apostolic letter that was circulated among the congregations. If this were such a crucial exhortation to Gentiles, it is amazing indeed that the apostles, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, did not think it important enough to put in their letter!

It is most telling that in all the epistles to congregations there is not a single word commanding Gentiles to adopt the whole Torah, and no direct statement of hope that they will eventually adopt a fully Torahkeeping life in the same way as the Jews. There is no word of such an exhortation or even mild encouragement throughout the whole book of Acts, which is written in part to show the relationship of Jewish-Gentile fellowship!

Even were we to say that Gentiles are free to embrace Torah, the calendar of Israel, and more, there is no word that there is any covenant responsibility for Gentiles to do so. Acts 21 reinforces this impression. Here James tells Paul of the rumor that he teaches Jews who embrace Yeshua to forsake Torah. This of course is not true. So, Paul demonstrates this to be a false rumor by his Temple involvement. James reminds Paul that Gentiles were freed from responsibility for the full weight of Torah. Neither Paul nor James gives the slightest hint that they were encouraging full Torah observance among Gentiles. Paul could have said, “Not only do I not teach Jews to forsake Moses, but I even encourage Gentiles to embrace more and more of the Torah as they come to understand and appreciate it.” This is the emphasis of the One Law teachers, but there is not one word in the New Testament that explicitly encourages Gentiles to grow in keeping the whole Torah.

Not only what you say, but what Christ says concerning even Jews.

Joh 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
I believe when it came to Gentiles, the God fearers which attended Synagogue were taught what is called Noachide law. Gentiles in Christ were to do likewise to be of no offense to anyone. We must not forget, Rome legalized religions in the Empire. Jews were given exemption from idols. So too were their Gentile proselytes. The Apostles never gave offence, so as to not be deemed an illegal sect in the eyes of Rome. Keeping as long as possible the exemption from idols.
2 co 6:3 Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:
4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,

Of course we know followers in Christ eventually became an illegal religion under Roman rule.
Ac 25:8 While he answered for himself, Neither against the law of the Jews, neither against the temple, nor yet against Caesar, have I offended any thing at all.

 

[Shimshon]

Not only what you say, but what Christ says concerning even Jews.

Joh 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
I believe when it came to Gentiles, the God fearers which attended Synagogue were taught what is called Noachide law. Gentiles in Christ were to do likewise to be of no offense to anyone.

In fact we see Messiah telling them that they will be chased OUT of the synagogues for the testimony of Yeshua. He did not teach his followers they would need to learn the rest from the Torah read in the synagogues every Shabbat. He taught just the opposite.

Luke 21:12 ESV
But before all this they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons, and you will be brought before kings and governors for my name's sake.

John 16:2 ESV
They will put you out of the synagogues. Indeed, the hour is coming when whoever kills you will think he is offering service to God.​

So, what was the point in mentioning Moses being read in the synagogues every Shabbat?

Acts 15 verse 18 identifies it.
18 SAYS THE LORD, WHO MAKES THESE THINGS KNOWN FROM LONG AGO.​

What things were made known long ago in the Torah that is now being revealed?

Isaiah 45
21 "Declare and set forth your case; Indeed, let them consult together. Who has announced this from of old ? Who has long since declared it? Is it not I, the LORD ? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior ; There is none except Me.​

What was announced? What was declared? The Law?

God is the ONLY Savior. There is none except him. Yeshua is God our salvation.

What is it? Yeshua

Who has announced Yeshua from old? Who has long declared it? The LORD has! Yeshua et Adonai!

16 'AFTER THESE THINGS I will return, AND I WILL REBUILD THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID WHICH HAS FALLEN, AND I WILL REBUILD ITS RUINS, AND I WILL RESTORE IT, 17SO THAT THE REST OF MANKIND MAY SEEK THE LORD, AND ALL THE GENTILES WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME,'​

What is restored through Yeshua? The tabernacle of Moses, or of David?

The reason the mention of hearing Moses teachings in the synagogue ever Shabbat is because through the reading of the Torah and the Prophets was the declaration about the coming Messiah, Yeshua.

John 1:45 ESV
Philip found Nathanael and said to him, "We have found him of whom Moses in the Law and also the prophets wrote, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph."​

The Torah leads to Messiah, Messiah does not lead to Moses, Moses leads to Messiah. So the Jews and converts, who were the ONLY ones in the synagogue, did hear every Shabbat about the salvation that is Yeshua HaMoshiach, the salvation of God Almighty. But when most synagogue leaders heard this they ran Paul out of town on threat of death.

But the Gentiles embraced the message, because it was about them too. The Jewish Messiah was being offered for/to them as well. To cover the gentiles sins as well as the sins of Israel. Israel did not like this because it yanked the favorite seat they placed under them right out from beneath them. And put them on equal footing in regards to righteousness with the Gentiles. Both laid out flat on the ground, face to the dirt.

I believe he made it impossible to observe that which we as a people lied about keeping. As if to say....""""you think you keep my Torah?? try keeping it now that you have broken the covenant. Since you broke the covenant I will remove your blessings. The ability to keep Torah as given being one of them. Now be self-righteous, hmm?"""" He humbled Israel. And will humble the nations too, now that they have placed themselves above Israel, and God's words.

Nobody demands complete observance to something and then makes it impossible for them to achieve it. God did not make the Torah great and holy only to make it impossible for Israel to observe it. Yet, it's impossible to observe the Torah the way God gave it to us, here in exile. So this tells me that the Torah given Israel at the mountain is not the means by which he will redeem us here in the wilderness before he gathers us home. Messiah must have spoke and taught a Torah that was not identically observed as given back on the mountain. And his witness and testimony in John 6 definitely play this out.

 

[Doug Melven]

The first 5 books are the Torah.
Nevi'im are the prophets
Ketuvim are the writings
They make up the TaNaKh

Read Psalm 119, there is life in keeping the Law of the LORD.
I don't care how well you keep the 10 Commandments, they cannot give you life or make you righteous.
You can't even supplement the righteousness God gave you in order to receive His blessings.
It is solely because of His mercy towards us that we are saved and receive blessings.

Again, where does God, or [the Word of] God specifically state that we no longer have to follow His commandments He gave to Moses, or that came through the Word of God? I

Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
The law was not meant to be permanent. It was transient.
The 10 Commandments are a ministry of death and condemnation. 2 Corinthians 3
The day the law was given 3000 people died. The day the Spirit was given at Pentecost 3000 people were made alive.
Proving the letter kills but the Spirit gives life.

Now you will probably say, but how will I know how to live? I need to know good from evil.
Adam and Eve had the same desire, they didn't trust God, so they ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge and evil.
You really can depend on Christ, He will not lead you astray.

 

[Shimshon]

Again, where does God, or [the Word of] God specifically state that we no longer have to follow His commandments He gave to Moses, or that came through the Word of God? I am not taking a man's word for something that contradicts the Most High God. If God said we need to be obedient, it would be foolish of me to trust any entity that said otherwise, no?

Hebrews 10
1 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2 Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. 3 But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins.

4 It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. 5 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;
6 with burnt offerings and sin offerings you were not pleased. 7 Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll— I have come to do your will, my God.’ ”

8 First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law. 9 Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second.

10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
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Who said: “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law?

Who then said: “Here I am, I have come to do your will.”?

Psalm 40
6 Sacrifice and offering you did not desire— but my ears you have opened — burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not require.
7 Then I said, “Here I am, I have come— it is written about me in the scroll.
8 I desire to do your will, my God; your law is within my heart.”
​

Sacrifices and offerings are not desired nor required because Jesus accomplished the once and for all sacrifice by his desire to do the will of God as instructed by God in his heart.

Luke 4 (Isaiah 61)
16 He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read, 17 and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:

18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me,because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor.He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind,to set the oppressed free, 19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”

20 Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”​

Here he is desiring to do the will of God, and expressing that will to his servants.

John 17
40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

41 So the Jews grumbled about him, because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.” 42 They said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he now say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?” 43 Jesus answered them, “Do not grumble among yourselves. 44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

45 It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me.
​

It would appear that the law written on Messiah's heart is not 'the law of Moses', because that law desires and requires sacrifices and offerings. But the will laid out by God through Jesus does NOT desire nor require sacrifices and offerings.

 

[Copperhead]

I am seeing a pattern in some responses, and it seems to come from a misconception of what the Torah is.

Torah is from the root word Yareh, which has the idea of teaching, instruction, direction, aiming for a target, etc. It is the same root word that Moreh (male) and Morah (female) teacher comes from. Torah is teaching and instruction. It is aiming at the target, which is Yeshua. Everything about Torah speaks of Yeshua. Yeshua is a the goal or target of the Torah.

Romans 10:4 (TLV) For Messiah is the goal of the Torah as a means to righteousness for everyone who keeps trusting.

So then it becomes.... is one trusting in their observance of the Torah to gain brownie points to add to their salvation, or are they focusing on the target that the Torah points to.... Yeshua.

"Law" has such a stringent meaning. Like, say, the speed limit laws. It is hard to imagine one saying... "how I love the speed limit laws, they refresh my soul". But David could write over and over how he loved the Torah or instruction of God. David saw the Messiah in the Torah. Those that wish to put a legalistic works righteousness game in to play see Torah as "The Law", much like civil or traffic laws. That is not what the Torah is or was it meant to be. The Torah has been showing the Messiah all along. Yeshua is the goal or end game of the Torah.

 

[Copperhead]

This would make sense as to how angry he got in the Temple when accusing the Pharisee's of Not understanding the Torah when he railed against them for missing the part about Torah being full of mercy and even more so when he said to them "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; 40yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. 41I do not receive glory from people. 42But I know that you do not have the love of God within you. 43I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him. 44How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God? 45Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father. There is one who accuses you: Moses, on whom you have set your hope. 46For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. 47But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?”

You made my case for me. This was exactly my point. You might want to re-read those verses you put in your post. Yeshua was criticizing the religious leaders that they did not see that the Torah was pointing to the Himself. It had nothing to do with observance.

 

[Kaon]

Read Psalm 119, there is life in keeping the Law of the LORD.
I don't care how well you keep the 10 Commandments, they cannot give you life or make you righteous.
You can't even supplement the righteousness God gave you in order to receive His blessings.
It is solely because of His mercy towards us that we are saved and receive blessings.

Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
The law was not meant to be permanent. It was transient.
The 10 Commandments are a ministry of death and condemnation. 2 Corinthians 3
The day the law was given 3000 people died. The day the Spirit was given at Pentecost 3000 people were made alive.
Proving the letter kills but the Spirit gives life.

Now you will probably say, but how will I know how to live? I need to know good from evil.
Adam and Eve had the same desire, they didn't trust God, so they ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge and evil.
You really can depend on Christ, He will not lead you astray.

God did not say this; Paul did.
Show me where GOD said we have permission to disobey His commands.

 

[Kaon]

Hebrews 10
1 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2 Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. 3 But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins.

4 It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. 5 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;
6 with burnt offerings and sin offerings you were not pleased. 7 Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll— I have come to do your will, my God.’ ”

8 First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law. 9 Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second.

10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
​

Who said: “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law?

Who then said: “Here I am, I have come to do your will.”?

Psalm 40
6 Sacrifice and offering you did not desire— but my ears you have opened — burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not require.
7 Then I said, “Here I am, I have come— it is written about me in the scroll.
8 I desire to do your will, my God; your law is within my heart.”
​

Sacrifices and offerings are not desired nor required because Jesus accomplished the once and for all sacrifice by his desire to do the will of God as instructed by God in his heart.

Luke 4 (Isaiah 61)
16 He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read, 17 and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:

18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me,because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor.He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind,to set the oppressed free, 19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”

20 Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”​

Here he is desiring to do the will of God, and expressing that will to his servants.

John 17
40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

41 So the Jews grumbled about him, because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.” 42 They said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he now say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?” 43 Jesus answered them, “Do not grumble among yourselves. 44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

45 It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me.
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It would appear that the law written on Messiah's heart is not 'the law of Moses', because that law desires and requires sacrifices and offerings. But the will laid out by God through Jesus does NOT desire nor require sacrifices and offerings.

It would appear..

That is how false doctrine starts. Christ would not be vague about the Law; where did He expliticlt say that we don't have to follow the Law of God anymore?

 

[Doug Melven]

God did not say this; Paul did.

You don't believe that Paul's words were inspired by the Holy Spirit?

Jesus said in John 16 that He had many more things to teach, but He couldn't teach them at that time.

 

[1stcenturylady]

It would appear..

That is how false doctrine starts. Christ would not be vague about the Law; where did He expliticlt say that we don't have to follow the Law of God anymore?

By law do you mean commandments? If so, which commandments? The Ten Commandments or the commandments of Jesus?

 

[Kaon]

You don't believe that Paul's words were inspired by the Holy Spirit?

Jesus said in John 16 that He had many more things to teach, but He couldn't teach them at that time.

If Paul contradicts God, Paul is a liar. GOD said that if you love Him you will keep His commandments. Name one place where God explicitly says that His laws do not have to be followed anymore. Only God has the authority to change law, not Paul.

 

[1stcenturylady]

If Paul contradicts God, Paul is a liar. GOD said that if you love Him you will keep His commandments. Name one place where God explicitly says that His laws do not have to be followed anymore. Only God has the authority to change law, not Paul.

The quote is from Jesus. Jesus said "if you love me keep my commandments.

John 15:10 Just as fervently as Jesus kept His Father's commandments, we are to keep the commandments of Jesus.

And what ARE the commandments of the New Covenant? 1 John 3:23 Believe on the name of His Son, Jesus Christ, and love one another.

The 10 Commandments anyone can keep. It is much harder to keep the commandments of Jesus, because they are of the heart. Because they are so stringent that our carnal nature cannot keep them, Jesus has given all who completely repent of sin His Holy Spirit. The Spirit kills the desire to sin, and plants the seeds of the fruit of the Spirit in us. We are no longer in the flesh/the carnal nature, but in the Spirit. Romans 8:9

 

[BukiRob]

I agree with what you say with one tweak. The Sabbath day does not need be Saturday. Any day given for rest in honor of Gods command to work 6 days and rest on the Sabbath should be equally respected.
I am not exactly sure your meaning concerning the council in acts. I assume that Gentiles need not keep Jewish law? To rest at regular intervals is a moral issue. What day of the week that is, is not.
Adam toiled all the days of his life due to a curse.....

No, YOU and I DO NOT get to decide what day is Sabbath. Sabbath since the VERY BEGINNING was and IS the 6th day.

Nowhere in scripture can you cite 2 or more verses that make unmistakably clear that Sabbath can be whatever day you want to make it.

And yes, IMO we are to obey the statues, decree's, ordinances and commandments of G-d.

Abraham who was not a son if Isreal did that very thing and we are to do as well.

Passages in Deuteronomy, Leviticus, and Numbers all say the same thing... THERE IS 1 law for both you (Jew) and the Alien among you (everyone who is not a Jew)

Now for the New Testament: Rev 14:12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

There can be no mistaking that THIS is referring to the Torah.

Paul tells us that we goy (gentiles) are GRAFTED INTO Israel. G-d gave the Torah to ALL of Israel and the prophet Jerimiah speaks of the New Covenant when he plainly shows that it is the TORAH written on the heart and in the mind of the believer.

Tell me, should the believer who is walking with G-d obey the 10 commandments? Should we not take G-d's name in vain? Is it okay for us to commit adultery? To covet our neighbor's property? Is it fine for us to lie under oath (bear false witness)? What about Idolatry? Is murder okay?

No real believer would EVER suggest that ANY of the above is acceptable. Hence you already know that you are to abstain from doing those things. So you AlREADY agree with the Torah!

 

[BukiRob]

The quote is from Jesus. Jesus said "if you love me keep my commandments.

John 15:10 Just as fervently as Jesus kept His Father's commandments, we are to keep the commandments of Jesus.

And what ARE the commandments of the New Covenant? 1 John 3:23 Believe on the name of His Son, Jesus Christ, and love one another.

The 10 Commandments anyone can keep. It is much harder to keep the commandments of Jesus, because they are of the heart. Because they are so stringent that our carnal nature cannot keep them, Jesus has given all who completely repent of sin His Holy Spirit. The Spirit kills the desire to sin, and plants the seeds of the fruit of the Spirit in us. We are no longer in the flesh/the carnal nature, but in the Spirit. Romans 8:9

Wrong.
Yeshua made it plainly clear that the Torah was to be OBEYED. His word is ABOVE ALL OTHERS PERIOD.

36“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38This is the great and first commandment. 39And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40On these two commandments depend on all the Law and the Prophets.”

12So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

13Did that which is good, then, bring death to me? By no means! It was sin, producing death in me through what is good, in order that sin might be shown to be sin, and through the commandment might become sinful beyond measure. 14For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin.15For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good.

Yeshua's death and resurrection free us FROM SIN. This then frees us to RIGHTLY walk, upright in OBEDIENCE to the will of the Father. The Law/TORAH NEVER produces salvation. The Torah is ENTIRELY about showing us HOW to love G-d properly and HOW to love our Neighbor as we love ourselves. Left to do this thing in our own eyes (do what we think is right.) is NOT being obedient. In fact, any time in scripture you see this, G-d calls it EVIL.

Sunday has always been the 1st day of the week and Saturday has ALWAYS been th Sabbath. You can choose to be obedient and start to observe it or you can choose to be the like the prodigal son who was disobedient. You can choose to walk in your own way doing your own will OR you can say, not my will but your will be done, Father.

 

[BukiRob]

You made my case for me. This was exactly my point. You might want to re-read those verses you put in your post. Yeshua was criticizing the religious leaders that they did not see that the Torah was pointing to the Himself. It had nothing to do with observance.

No, you still don't see. Yeshua IS the Torah. To say "oh I dont have to walk in it" is to deny who Messiah actually is... he is the Torah become Flesh that John speaks of in Chapter 1

 

[Doug Melven]

If Paul contradicts God, Paul is a liar.

If you go that route, then you have to deny all of Scripture. Because not all of Scripture was written for everybody.
Everybody can learn form all of Scripture.
It says in Deuteronomy that the law is not to hard to keep.
Why then is it written in Psalm 14?
14:2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
14:3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
If the 10 Commandments weren't hard to keep, why is it there wasn't even one that kept it?
Or are you going to say that David lied to?
Maybe God wasn't referring to the 10 Commandments when He said that His law wasn't to hard to keep.

And it is the law of faith we are required to keep.
Because nobody kept the 10 Commandments, therefore everybody had to trust in Him for mercy.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Wrong.
Yeshua made it plainly clear that the Torah was to be OBEYED. His word is ABOVE ALL OTHERS PERIOD.

36“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38This is the great and first commandment. 39And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40On these two commandments depend on all the Law and the Prophets.”

12So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

13Did that which is good, then, bring death to me? By no means! It was sin, producing death in me through what is good, in order that sin might be shown to be sin, and through the commandment might become sinful beyond measure. 14For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin.15For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good.

Yeshua's death and resurrection free us FROM SIN. This then frees us to RIGHTLY walk, upright in OBEDIENCE to the will of the Father. The Law/TORAH NEVER produces salvation. The Torah is ENTIRELY about showing us HOW to love G-d properly and HOW to love our Neighbor as we love ourselves. Left to do this thing in our own eyes (do what we think is right.) is NOT being obedient. In fact, any time in scripture you see this, G-d calls it EVIL.

Sunday has always been the 1st day of the week and Saturday has ALWAYS been th Sabbath. You can choose to be obedient and start to observe it or you can choose to be the like the prodigal son who was disobedient. You can choose to walk in your own way doing your own will OR you can say, not my will but your will be done, Father.

Wrong? You just wrote what I just said! Don't you recognize the eternal law of God is to Love God with all your mind, soul and strength and love your neighbor? THAT is the law of Jesus, and Jesus is God.

Then after saying all that you want to turn around and now replace Jesus with observing the Sabbath Day, then you are clueless to what the Sabbath represented. That is pure unadulterated idolatry.