Why do most christians not follow the 10 commandments?

[A_Thinker]

If we look at the Sabbath laws, doing groceries, shopping, housework, cooking e.t.c e.t.c is against Sabbath laws

Jesus sent His disciples through the fields to glean on the Sabbath.

How is this any different ?

 

[curious mike]

What I am understanding is the 613 commandments apply only to Jewish people and not gentiles, at least that is what the Jews are telling me. Also the Sabbath is not a requirement for gentiles. Again, in this thread I am only looking into whether Jesus himself commanded us to observe the Sabbath. nothing more.

 

[Hank77]

Jesus was Jew, he lived as a Jew, prayed as one in the Jewish synagogues, observed all Jewish holy days and traditions

Jesus did not observe all of the traditions and neither did the Apostles, such as the washing of hands.

Before Jesus died all of God''s people, after Sinai, were brought in through the old covenant. Jesus fulfilled all the old covenant law, the Law of Moses, that pertained to Him. He also fulfilled all the old covenant prophecies that were about Him.
After His crucifixion and resurrection the new covenant took effect and the old covenant faded away.

 

[Hank77]

The 10 Commandments given by God in the Old Testament continue to be God’s expectations of Christians today.The truth is that Jesus did not change His mind about the importance of keeping all of the 10 Commandments. As Hebrews 13:8 states: “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.”

Were Abel, Noah, Job, Abraham, Issac, etc. in the old covenant, the Law of Moses? No, they were under other covenants with God. So covenants do change and are given to different peoples in different times.
That doesn't mean the Jesus changes but the covenants, laws, do.
Why was the Law of Moses given to the Israelites before the Crucifixion?

 

[Ron Gurley]

OP: Q: " whether Jesus himself (NT) commanded us to observe the Sabbath. (OT commandment) "

A: No.

Matthew 12:8 ...For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."

Mark 2:28 ...So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."

Luke 6:1,5 [ Jesus Is Lord of the Sabbath ] Now it happened that He was passing through some grainfields on a Sabbath; and His disciples were picking the heads of grain, rubbing them in their hands, and eating the grain.... And He was saying to them, "The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."

Luke 13:15 ...But the Lord answered him and said, "You hypocrites, does not each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or his donkey from the stall and lead him away to water him?

 

[klutedavid]

I can't seem to find a single christian who follows the sabbath and I am not understanding why?

Jesus was Jew, he lived as a Jew, prayed as one in the Jewish synagogues, observed all Jewish holy days and traditions and he had said "obey my laws" which was referring to the 10 commandments. So guys, what possible reason does any christian have not to observe the sabbath please?

Hello Mike.

Who said there was ten commandments?

 

[Ron Gurley]

The 10 Commandments - God's Revelation in the Old Testament
The 10 Commandments are found in the Bible's Old Testament at Exodus, Chapter 20. They were given directly by God to the people of Israel at Mount Sinai after He had delivered them from slavery in Egypt:

"And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God…

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'


The 10 Commandments - Christ's Summation in the New Testament
About 1,400 years later, the 10 Commandments were summed up in the New Testament at Matthew 22, when Jesus was confronted by the religious "experts" of the day:

"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments" (Matthew 22:36-40).

A reflective reading of Christ's teaching reveals that the first four commandments given to the children of Israel are contained in the statement: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind." It continues that the last six commandments are enclosed in the statement: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

REF: 10 Commandments

 

[Ron Gurley]

OP: Q: "Why do most "Christians" do not follow (God's) "commandments"?
A:
1. UN-BELIEVERS have spiritually rejected God's Calling/Drawing.
2. Saved Believers are disobedient and must be trained during the Salvation PROCESS.

Man does not adequately RETURN God's unconditional Love and Mercy.

Deuteronomy 6:5 (ALL NASB) You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might.

Luke 10:27 ..."You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself."

Exodus 20:6 ...but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

John 14:15 , 21..."If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. ...He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him."

1 John 3:24 ..The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by (God) the (Holy) Spirit whom He has given us.

1 John 5:3 ...For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.

 

[curious mike]

Thanks for the inputs guys, I just finished reading this short article:

Jesus and His Apostles Affirm the Need to Obey God's Commandments

 

[A_Thinker]

Thanks for the inputs guys, I just finished reading this short article:

Jesus and His Apostles Affirm the Need to Obey God's Commandments

You will be able to find and read dozens of arguments for each side of the question you pose. It has been a point of disagreement between christians since the beginning of the Church. Also, be cognizant of the fact that you often don't know the depth of scholarship supporting such articles as this

I've read through the Bible a couple times (not a brag, but to testify to exposure to ALL of the scriptures). I would suggest a thorough study of the New Testament … before drawing any firm conclusions about this issue. The following represents the conclusions that I have come to from my studies.

Paul experienced having to deal with these issues, ... in his dealings with the Judaizers.

Paul had gone to far-flung areas of the Gentile world evangelizing and teaching his understanding of the gospel ...

"Believe on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ ... and you shall be saved."
Acts 16:31

As multitudes responded to his teachings, Paul formed them into groups that would meet to help and encourage one another in Godliness, while studying the scriptures they possessed and hearing the will of God from learned teachers.

Paul would stay with these groups for a couple years before leaving them in the hands of qualified teachers/pastors/preachers/elders. Often, when Paul left a group of believers to evangelize another area, ... he would later find out that teachers from Jerusalem (who have been termed the Judaizers) would come into the groups he had established, ... teaching that the Gentiles needed to follow the OT Law to sustain their salvation.

This situation would force Paul to have to re-visit these groups (in person or by letter), and re-establish that the gospel is through grace, ... and is not obtained ... or sustained ... by any works of the Law. He re-emphasized this to the believers at Ephesus ...

For you have been saved by GRACE, through FAITH, and even that faith is not your own. It is the GIFT of God, not of WORKS, so that nobody can boast. Ephesians 2:8,9

Paul went on to say ... "That God has created us anew in Christ Jesus, so we can do the good things he planned for us long ago. Ephesians 2:10b

Paul taught the that Law was a schoolteacher to show us that we need a Saviour (due to our inability to perfectly keep the Law) … and to bring us to Grace. Paul taught that the Law had no saving power (due to our inability to perfectly keep it) … and that it functioned as a pointer to Grace through Jesus.

Jesus indicated that He was not there to proclaim a continuance of the Law, …

“One does not put NEW WINE into OLD WINESKINS” Mark 2:22

… but that the Law would endure forever (in pointing sinful souls to Christ), which was its function (as Paul explained).

It is clear that the Law was not inviolate (Jesus disregarded portions of it in His ministry) … and God demonstrated to Peter that the Laws regarding clean and unclean foods was no longer in effect.

In place of the Law, … Christians are to be guided by the Holy Spirit of God, which dwells within us.

Galatians 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

As to the Sabbath, … my Bible study has led me to conclude that God desires that we “Remember” that He rested after His creative work, and that we should strive to keep the Sabbath holy, do no work on that day, … and dedicate it to God and His service. We should also take into account Jesus’ own teaching that it is good … to do good … on the Sabbath, … and that the Sabbath was made for man, … and not man for the Sabbath.

In other words, it’s not something that we’re required to do, … but is something that is a blessing for us, in which we honor God … and do His good will.

 

[curious mike]

You will be able to find and read dozens of arguments for each side of the question you pose. It has been a point of disagreement between christians since the beginning of the Church. Also, be cognizant of the fact that you often don't know the depth of scholarship supporting such articles as this

As to the Sabbath, … my Bible study has led me to conclude that God desires that we “Remember” that He rested after His creative work, and that we should strive to keep the Sabbath holy, do no work on that day, … and dedicate it to God and His service. We should also take into account Jesus’ own teaching that it is good … to do good … on the Sabbath, … and that the Sabbath was made for man, … and not man for the Sabbath.

In other words, it’s not something that we’re required to do, … but is something that is a blessing for us, in which we honor God … and do His good will.

All of the above very accurate in my opinion and great points, thanks! My summation is everyone will have their own and different beliefs and I am to listen to them and respect them whether I agree with them or not and keep on learning.

 

[Hank77]

Thanks for the inputs guys, I just finished reading this short article:

Jesus and His Apostles Affirm the Need to Obey God's Commandments

You could, if you are willing, read this book by Jason Meyer.

The End of the Law: Mosaic Covenant in Pauline Theology

 

[A_Thinker]

All of the above very accurate in my opinion and great points, thanks! My summation is everyone will have their own and different beliefs and I am to listen to them and respect them whether I agree with them or not and keep on learning.

I believe that this is the christian attitude.

Keep on learning, ... ultimately from the scriptures, themselves ...

 

[Dkh587]

Jesus sent His disciples through the fields to glean on the Sabbath.

How is this any different ?

There's a difference between being hungry & walking through a field and plucking a few grains to eat, versus walking into a field with a basket and sickle to work and labor and harvest a crop.

That's like picking an apple off the tree on Sabbath, vs being out there with baskets and harvesting apples all day. Plucking a few grains or whatever it was that they plucked, is different from working and harvesting the field.

 

[A_Thinker]

There's a difference between being hungry & walking through a field and plucking a few grains to eat, versus walking into a field with a basket and sickle to work and labor and harvest a crop.

That's like picking an apple off the tree on Sabbath, vs being out there with baskets and harvesting apples all day. Plucking a few grains or whatever it was that they plucked, is different from working and harvesting the field.

You did not indicate any day-long labor in your previous post. You said ... getting groceries, shopping, housework, cooking.

None of these are day-long endeavors in and of themselves. As such, I believe that they are allowable (in moderation) in a day devoted to God's remembrance.

After all, ... we must eat ...

 

[Dkh587]

You did not indicate any day-long labor in your previous post. You said ... getting groceries, shopping, housework, cooking.

None of these are day-long endeavors in and of themselves. As such, I believe that they are allowable (in moderation) in a day devoted to God's remembrance.

After all, ... we must eat ...

Buying, selling, cooking, housework should not be done on Sabbath. We have 6 days of the week to do all of these things.

Remember, God is our example. He worked and created everything in 6 days and on the 7th he rested.

 

[curious mike]

You could, if you are willing, read this book by Jason Meyer.

The End of the Law: Mosaic Covenant in Pauline Theology

Aye more reading, will do, appreciate it.

 

[A_Thinker]

Buying, selling, cooking, housework should not be done on Sabbath. We have 6 days of the week to do all of these things.

That's according to you.

OTOH, Jesus taught that it is GOOD to do GOOD, even on the Sabbath.

 

[Dkh587]

That's according to you.

OTOH, Jesus taught that it is GOOD to do GOOD, even on the Sabbath.

Yes he did but he wasn't buying and selling and cooking and doing housework on the Sabbath - nor were the apostles.

 

[A_Thinker]

Yes he did but he wasn't buying and selling and cooking and doing housework on the Sabbath - nor were the apostles.

Not buying or selling, no, ... But gleaning grain and preparing it for consumption, I would suppose ...