why do jews reject jesus?

[simplegifts]

Before I answer that, a question.

Do you believe that if I sinned against HaShem, all I had to do was bring an animal to be sacrificed to the Temple and I was forgiven? That it was a magic charm and I could just go right back to sinning without any repentance and plan on bringing a new animal next week?

No same as being a Christian, you must turn towards God, repent.

 

[LoAmmi]

No same as being a Christian, you must turn towards God, repent.

So we have established that the death of the animal was not the animal dying for the sins of the person, because if it was it would have been a magic charm. The sacrifices were a symbol of the internal change required. It was you giving up something you own in order to be forgiven.

Also, you must remember that the very poor could use grain instead of any living creature.

 

[simplegifts]

So we have established that the death of the animal was not the animal dying for the sins of the person, because if it was it would have been a magic charm. The sacrifices were a symbol of the internal change required. It was you giving up something you own in order to be forgiven.

Also, you must remember that the very poor could use grain instead of any living creature.

No you asked - if I sinned against HaShem, all I had to do was bring an animal to be sacrificed to the Temple and I was forgiven

You have to repent and bring an animal to be sacrificed to the Temple.

 

[LoAmmi]

No you asked - if I sinned against HaShem, all I had to do was bring an animal to be sacrificed to the Temple and I was forgiven

You had o repent and bring an animal to be sacrificed to the Temple.

David didn't have to bring a sacrifice when he sinned. He admitted his sin and was forgiven. This is confirmed in the Psalms when David writes that if a sacrifice was desired, David would have brought one.

So, we see which was the more important of the two elements. One could not obtain forgiveness without repentance but one could obtain it without the sacrifice. Also, you are glossing over the fact that grain could be used if a person were poor. How does grain fit into your ideas? (and despite what some Christians claim, it was not mixed with the blood)

 

[simplegifts]

They are not going to be dying for people's sin because sin in Buddhism is not the central human problem, ignorance is. But certainly the notion of self-sacrifice is there.

Bodhisatvas are Buddha-type figures who have taken a vow *not* to enter Nirvana until all sentient beings have gone before them. In other words they condemn themselves to eternal rebirth (a fate worse than death in Buddhism) in order to save everyone. In a number of their past lives they are said to sacrifice themselves to save others. For instance, one of the Jataka Tales speaks of how Avalokiteshvara in one of his past lives was the monkey king. When his tribe of monkeys was being chased by lion they came to a ravine to wide to jump. Avalokiteshvara stretch his body out over the ravine so the monkeys could cross to safety. After they did so, Avalokiteshvera could not get up and fell himself into the ravine.

LOL!! Oh yeah, that is a whole lot like Jesus. So glad you connected those dots. LOL!!

That was sarcasm.

 

[simplegifts]

David didn't have to bring a sacrifice when he sinned. He admitted his sin and was forgiven. This is confirmed in the Psalms when David writes that if a sacrifice was desired, David would have brought one.

So, we see which was the more important of the two elements. One could not obtain forgiveness without repentance but one could obtain it without the sacrifice. Also, you are glossing over the fact that grain could be used if a person were poor. How does grain fit into your ideas? (and despite what some Christians claim, it was not mixed with the blood)

What sacrifices does God require for adultery and murder?

Of course GOD does not want sacrifices, he desires that we not sin to begin with.

 

[LoAmmi]

What sacrifices does God require for adultery and murder?

There are no sacrifices listed in the Torah for intentional sins, unless you'd like to find it for me.

Of course GOD does not want sacrifices, he desires that we not sin to begin with.

You are turning what I said on its head. David was not required to bring sacrifices and Nathan said that HaShem would remember his sin no more.

You are also incorrect. Not all sacrifices were sin sacrifices and HaShem did, indeed, want them.

 

[simplegifts]

There are no sacrifices listed in the Torah for intentional sins, unless you'd like to find it for me.


You are turning what I said on its head. David was not required to bring sacrifices and Nathan said that HaShem would remember his sin no more.

You are also incorrect. Not all sacrifices were sin sacrifices and HaShem did, indeed, want them.

I know all sacrifices are not sin sacrifices. Whether a sin offering or not God wants us near, in a relationship with him. The sacrifice is a way to have communion God, a way to show gratitude to God, a contrite heart before God, and it can make amends for what we cause - distance from God.

 

[LoAmmi]

I know all sacrifices are not sin sacrifices. Whether a sin offering or not God wants us near, in a relationship with him. The sacrifice is a way to have communion God, a way to show gratitude to God, a contrite heart before God, makes amends for what we cause - distance from God.

It can do that but repentance can do the same thing, as you are basically quoting the Psalm I would use to show this. My point remains:

We see examples of a sacrifice plus repentance bringing atonement.

We see examples of repentance alone bringing atonement.

We never see examples of sacrifice alone bringing atonement.

Even so, the Tanach specifically states that one person cannot die for the sins of another and that they must pay for their own sins. That is explicitly stated in the text. You may wish to bring up the sacrifices if you desire, but you have to contend with the text and not me on that point. You also still haven't answered how the grain offering for the poor fits into your view of something dying for the sins of the person.

 

[simplegifts]

It can do that but repentance can do the same thing, as you are basically quoting the Psalm I would use to show this. My point remains:

We see examples of a sacrifice plus repentance bringing atonement.

We see examples of repentance alone bringing atonement.

We never see examples of sacrifice alone bringing atonement.

Even so, the Tanach specifically states that one person cannot die for the sins of another and that they must pay for their own sins. That is explicitly stated in the text. You may wish to bring up the sacrifices if you desire, but you have to contend with the text and not me on that point. You also still haven't answered how the grain offering for the poor fits into your view of something dying for the sins of the person.

Concerning the grain issue - We know from the episode with Abraham and Isaac that God allows substitutes.

If not for Jesus I as a Gentile would not be in a relationship with God today.

 

[LoAmmi]

Concerning the grain issue - We know from the episode with Abraham and Isaac that God allows substitutes.

If not for Jesus I as a Gentile would not be in a relationship with God today.

What would you be instead?

I think you miss the entire point of the Abraham Isaac thing, but I am not surprised by that.

 

[LoAmmi]

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[BruceDLimber]

Jews are atheists and a race of psychopaths.

You clearly need to review the rules here, viz.:

Mutual respect means that neither Christians nor non-Christians will mock, degrade or belittle each others religious beliefs, or make posts that are disruptive to the peace and harmony of the forum.
Violators will risk receiving forum specific bans.

 

[LoAmmi]

Oh no, it's fine. When someone leads with that they've shown that they left their credibility at the door, if they ever had any to begin with.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Merciful Zeus, that such cultivated ignorance still exists is a blot on the entirety of mankind (with its many ethnicities, none of which qualifies as a separate race since the Neanderthals and the vegetarian dwarfs of southeast asia joined the choir invisible; while we're at it, skin colour tells you virtually nothing about a person's genetic heritage, either.)

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

"while we're at it, skin colour tells you virtually nothing about a person's genetic heritage, either."

Do you realize you are simply parroting Jew media slogans?

Have you ever even held a biology book in your hands, man?

Learn to think for yourself, please!

Right back at ya! There's a reason why scientific racism has been dead for nearly seventy years, and conspiracies have got nothing to do with it.

In anycase no one avoids blacks and mexicans because of their color.

Its all about their negative, animalistic, predatory savage criminal behavior for why we sensible people avoid them.

Double facepalm.

Their skin color is only useful in the same way the black and yellow stripes on a bee are useful ie as an early warning sign that a dangerous animal approaches and you better get the hell out of the way if you don't want to be stung.

Don't want to be robbed, raped or murdered?

When you see a black or brown creature coming your way whether it be a bear, mexican or a black you get out of there or accept the consequences.

And after posting insults and drivel such as this, you expect people to treat you with anything other than disdain?

 

[light upon light]

Jews are atheists and a race of psychopaths.

Their religion Judaism is only one of their many masks to cover their status as a race and people.

The fruits of the tree of hatred...

 

[ViaCrucis]

This may be the first time I've actually used the report feature on this website.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[danny ski]

This may be the first time I've actually used the report feature on this website.

-CryptoLutheran

I'm certain that banning such individuals is a bad idea. I'd rather see them in the open than festering in the sewer somewhere. I prefer haters such as this one, who does his shtick openly. It's the correct and polite ones who hide behind warped reasonableness that I fear.

 

[smaneck]

the vegetarian dwarfs of southeast asia joined the choir invisible;

Huh? Do you mean Homo floresiensis? They ate rats, lizards and even an occasional pygmy elephant.