Why do intellectually superior humans have around 7,000 distinct languages?

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

We all can see we have breath. What we cannot see is miles under the earth and the remains..or not..of a tower.

But we can. Ground penetrating radar.
Still no evidence for a tower though.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Not at all. You may have, and do have and are entitled to your beliefs. We all should be able to see you have no hope in heaven or hell of proving or supporting your belief that the bible was lying.

No, I'm not saying the Bible is lying. I'm saying that you have no evidence for a tower of Babel outside of justso stories from the Bible.

 

[dad]

But we can. Ground penetrating radar.
Still no evidence for a tower though.

"When determining depth capabilities, the frequency range of the antenna dictates the size of the antenna and the depth capability. The grid spacing which is scanned is based on the size of the targets that need to be identified and the results required. Typical grid spacings can be 1 meter, 3 ft, 5 ft, 10 ft, 20 ft for ground surveys, and for walls and floors 1 inch–1 ft."

Ground-penetrating radar - Wikipedia

Other limitations aside, such as clay in the ground and etc etc...you seem to be claiming GPR could scan depths of several miles underground?

 

[dad]

No, I'm not saying the Bible is lying. I'm saying that you have no evidence for a tower of Babel outside of justso stories from the Bible.

Well, if the bible is not lying about it, why would you so fiercely claim it is wrong with NO evidence!?

Also, if we think about it, there may have been little or no need for written language until the time languages were divided. So where else would we expect it written?? Egypt? Ha, those poor guys resorted to drawing pics to communicate.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Nore the evidence.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I think that it is buried deep under the ground now, due to tectonic activity around the time of the tower. How can you say it never existed, did you consult a psychic?

In the same way that we can say that Atlantis never existed.

When a story has no evidence and if the actual evidence of reality completely contradicts the story, then it's perfectly permissable to say that the story is wrong.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Then I think you misunderstand the Bible that you are discrediting. The Bible never says the tower actually completed. God struck it down while it was still being built. For all we know, they might never have completed the second story. Frankly, the whole thing was an act of folly from the start, on multiple levels (like that pun I did there?).

As for the world speaking one single language, common sense says there was. Start with two human beings. How many languages do you think they spoke?

Humankind, did not start with 2 humans.

 

[DogmaHunter]

You have either a belief that God is a liar or a belief that He told the truth.

Or you don't believe silly claims like god being the direct author of a bronze age story.
Or you don't believe god exists, at which point your false dichotomy completely falls apart.

Save evidence for things it pertains to.

Yes. Like for actually real things.

Since you have none for your belief, let us stop the hypocritical act.

What belief?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Since honesty is of value here, I don't take the beliefs of those doubting the story of the Tower of Babel as anything more than biased beliefs of ignorant people who don't know better.

You got that backwards once again....

The belief is that the Tower of Babel is real.

The people you are talking to do not have that believe. They do not believe that the Tower of Babel is real.

The "believing" part, is entirely on your end.

 

[DogmaHunter]

For all we know it could have been 93.007% finished.

For all we actually know, that is a complete impossibility.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Well, if the bible is not lying about it, why would you so fiercely claim it is wrong with NO evidence!?

There is evidence.
The evidence of reality contradicts the story.
That makes the story wrong.



See, rational people actually don't assume that reality is wrong when it conflicts with their beliefs.

Whereas fundamentalists, such as yourself, take the position of "if reality disagrees with my beliefs, then reality is wrong".

Also, if we think about it, there may have been little or no need for written language until the time languages were divided.

And if you think for 2 seconds more, you'll quickly realise how insane an argument that is.
Just because 2 people speak the same language, doesn't mean that you no longer need to keep a list of for example an inventory to keep track of goods. Nore does it mean that you no longer require written contracts etc. Speaking the same language doesn't make you remember stuff better. What an utterly insane idea that writing is useless if you speak the same language :-/

So where else would we expect it written?? Egypt? Ha, those poor guys resorted to drawing pics to communicate.

Ow dear.....

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Also, if we think about it, there may have been little or no need for written language until the time languages were divided. So where else would we expect it written?? Egypt? Ha, those poor guys resorted to drawing pics to communicate.

Lol. You have no idea about the history of writing, do you? Do you have any idea where the Latin alphabet we're currently using came from?

I think we can safely chalk that up as another area you know nothing about but feel entitled to pontificate about.

 

[durangodawood]

...I wasn't the one who made a claim so I need prove nothing...

Thats the way to approach this. Dont claim obvious myths are literal reality.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

"When determining depth capabilities, the frequency range of the antenna dictates the size of the antenna and the depth capability. The grid spacing which is scanned is based on the size of the targets that need to be identified and the results required. Typical grid spacings can be 1 meter, 3 ft, 5 ft, 10 ft, 20 ft for ground surveys, and for walls and floors 1 inch–1 ft."

Ground-penetrating radar - Wikipedia

Other limitations aside, such as clay in the ground and etc etc...you seem to be claiming GPR could scan depths of several miles underground?

Why would it be 'several miles' underground? On what basis can you make that claim?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Well, if the bible is not lying about it, why would you so fiercely claim it is wrong with NO evidence!?

Also, if we think about it, there may have been little or no need for written language until the time languages were divided. So where else would we expect it written?? Egypt? Ha, those poor guys resorted to drawing pics to communicate.

You do know that something can be wrong without it lying. Do you understand that concept?

 

[dad]

In the same way that we can say that Atlantis never existed.

Not really. Besides the fact you have nothing to say that has any value about some sunken city of yesteryear, we should remember that the bible is not some fly by night half baked recollection of fourth hand fables.

When a story has no evidence and if the actual evidence of reality completely contradicts the story, then it's perfectly permissable to say that the story is wrong.

Your beliefs are not evidence.

 

[dad]

Or you don't believe silly claims like god being the direct author of a bronze age story.
Or you don't believe god exists, at which point your false dichotomy completely falls apart.




Yes. Like for actually real things.



What belief?

You are welcome to your beliefs and biases and baseless doubts. You can even try to associate them with the word reality if you like. When you get more come on back to the science forum area.

 

[dad]

You got that backwards once again....

The belief is that the Tower of Babel is real.

The people you are talking to do not have that believe. They do not believe that the Tower of Babel is real.

The "believing" part, is entirely on your end.

Since you cannot prove either that the events recorded at Babel (that fit perfectly with actual history) were fact or fiction, the question arises, 'why even talk'? Believe what you like for no apparent reason.

 

[dad]

For all we actually know, that is a complete impossibility.

? Making a tower to the clouds is impossible?

 

[dad]

There is evidence.
The evidence of reality contradicts the story.
That makes the story wrong.

Try to get a grip and relax. Using the word reality and pretending there is some evidence you can't cite really is worthless opinion. Now was it you that cited ground radar? Ha. You guys need to get your story straight.

And if you think for 2 seconds more, you'll quickly realise how insane an argument that is.
Just because 2 people speak the same language, doesn't mean that you no longer need to keep a list of for example an inventory to keep track of goods.

Conversely if we think even a bit more we might realize money is a feature of this nature, who even says commerce would work the same in a world where man lived in a world where perhaps the brain processed info differently? We may even ask if a lot of the reason we need writing to remember stuff is because our brains function differently? After all, something affected the way men think and process info, otherwise the language would all still be the same. Suddenly it was different.

Then there is the thought that even if some degree of written stuff was existent, who could read it anymore anyhow!? Ha.