Why do creationists insist that the theory of evolution is inherently atheistic?

FrenchyBearpaw said:

Which is why we don't have "faith" in ToE, in the religious sense of the word.
Faith is not a virtue.

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Faith is only as good as the object of that faith.

KWCrazy said:

Yet another statement of ignorance. You have no way of knowing what anyone else knows, so you ASSUME that they are ignorant. It says more about you than it does about anyone else.

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We have a fairly reliable way of knowing what you know -- from your own statements.

And from your statements on the nature of science, your ignorance comes through loud and clear.

Eight Foot Manchild said:

You don't have 'God's word'. You have an imagination, which you've anthropomorphized and deified. There is zero indication that this 'god' exists anywhere outside the confines of your skull.

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Isn't this a bit unnecessarily and flame provoking?

super animator said:

Isn't this a bit unnecessarily and flame provoking?

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I tend to question the sincerity of ones atheism when they are so passionate about arguing against something they claim they don't believe exists to begin with.

mathetes123 said:

Faith is only as good as the object of that faith.

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Which explains why faith in the unseen is no good, unnecessary, and unwarranted.

mathetes123 said:

I tend to question the sincerity of ones atheism when they are so passionate about arguing against something they claim they don't believe exists to begin with.

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But ... we're ... not ... arguing ... against ... god, ... we're arguing against you, who claims there is a god.

See the difference?

mathetes123 said:

The criticism is not in the faith in evolution, but the object of the faith.

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If you can actually identify a single thing I believe in faith, I will concede it. Then I will stop believing it.

mathetes123 said:

I tend to question the sincerity of ones atheism when they are so passionate about arguing against something they claim they don't believe exists to begin with.

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I don't argue with gods. I argue with the people who purport to speak on their behalf.

FrenchyBearpaw said:

Which explains why faith in the unseen is no good, unnecessary, and unwarranted.

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You have faith in the unseen everyday.

TLK Valentine said:

And from your statements on the nature of science, your ignorance comes through loud and clear.

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Of course, from my point of view, you come across as someone who can't even comprehend the limitations on what we can and cannot study through science. Our inability to validate or invalidate the supernatural via natural law is so basic a nine year old can get it. I really don't see why you can't.

FrenchyBearpaw said:

But ... we're ... not ... arguing ... against ... god, ... we're arguing against you, who claims there is a god.

See the difference?

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Why? To what end? Why waste your time arguing over something you supposedly don't believe exists? I find it hard to believe the atheists on this Christian board don't believe in God when they come here everyday and debate His non-existence. Sometimes I think you are trying to convince yourselves more than anyone else and seeking confirmation from your fellow atheists because you are doubting your atheism.

mathetes123 said:

Why? To what end? Why waste your time arguing over something you supposedly don't believe exists? I find it hard to believe the atheists on this Christian board don't believe in God when they come here everyday and debate His non-existence. Sometimes I think you are trying to convince yourselves more than anyone else and seeking confirmation from your fellow atheists because you are doubting your atheism.

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You really can't conceive of any other reasons?

FrenchyBearpaw said:

You really can't conceive of any other reasons?

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Not really. If I had no belief, I wouldn't waste my time. What would be gained by it?

KWCrazy said:

Of course, from my point of view, you come across as someone who can't even comprehend the limitations on what we can and cannot study through science. Our inability to validate or invalidate the supernatural via natural law is so basic a nine year old can get it. I really don't see why you can't.

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How would you set a limit on what science can study?

The people who have attempted to say what science cannot do have had a very bad record of being wrong in the past.

Science is not interested in the supernatural. Of course if someone makes a claim that a supernatural event happened it is reasonable to state what the results of that supernatural event would be.

Five miles of water would leave some physical evidence behind. Killing all but two of a species would leave genetic evidence behind. There are all sorts of events that would leave evidence behind.

mathetes123 said:

Not really. If I had no belief, I wouldn't waste my time. What would be gained by it?

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Testing one's arguments is a solid way to determines it's merits.

Plus, you might just see the light one day.

FrenchyBearpaw said:

Testing one's arguments is a solid way to determines it's merits.

Plus, you might just see the light one day.

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Yes, the great Hitch instructed us to spread the good news

mathetes123 said:

Genesis does give the who, what, when and where, you just cannot accept them because they don't fit with your faith in evolution.

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I yet you failed to provide ANY scriptural support for those alleged answers. (Tradition and Dogma never have real answers.)

Then why do my young earth creationist brethren here REFUSE to provide those who, what, when, and where in a Comprehensive Theory of Special Creation?

I have no more "faith" in evolution than I have in the theory of gravity and the Germ Theory of Disease. I have faith in God and I don't attribute his wondrous works (e.g., evolutionary processes) to Satan like so many creationists do. I believe God's answers to my questions. I recommend the same for you.

mathetes123 said:

I tend to question the sincerity of ones atheism when they are so passionate about arguing against something they claim they don't believe exists to begin with.

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What an absurd statement.

I know many Christians who passionately argue against the Islamic concept of Allah and the status of Mohammad as God's prophet. So by YOUR logic, does that mean that you think that they are "closet Muslims"?

(Needless to say, the atheists are NOT arguing against a God they don't believe in. They are arguing against THEISTS who claim that God exists. Is it that difficult to understand the difference? Please don't embarrass those of us who are Christ-followers and who believe the Scriptures.)

ThouShaltNotPoe said:

I yet you failed to provide ANY scriptural support for those alleged answers. (Tradition and Dogma never have real answers.)

Then why do my young earth creationist brethren here REFUSE to provide those who, what, when, and where in a Comprehensive Theory of Special Creation?

I have no more "faith" in evolution than I have in the theory of gravity and the Germ Theory of Disease. I have faith in God and I don't attribute his wondrous works (e.g., evolutionary processes) to Satan like so many creationists do. I believe God's answers to my questions. I recommend the same for you.

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Genesis 1
Chapter 1
The Creation of the World
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
And God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse. And it was so. And God called the expanse Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day.
And God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear.” And it was so. God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good.
And God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, on the earth.” And it was so. The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds, and trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening and there was morning, the third day.
And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth.” And it was so. And God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars. And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day.
And God said, “Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the heavens.” So God created the great sea creatures and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. And God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.” And there was evening and there was morning, the fifth day.
And God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds—livestock and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds.” And it was so. And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that creeps on the ground according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so. And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

ThouShaltNotPoe said:

What an absurd statement.

I know many Christians who passionately argue against the Islamic concept of Allah and the status of Mohammad as God's prophet. So by YOUR logic, does that mean that you think that they are "closet Muslims"?

(Needless to say, the atheists are NOT arguing against a God they don't believe in. They are arguing against THEISTS who claim that God exists. Is it that difficult to understand the difference? Please don't embarrass those of us who are Christ-followers and who believe the Scriptures.)

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Please don't embarass those of us who are Christ-followers who believe the scriptures and don't compromise them to conform them to the man's limited, imperfect, incomplete, ever changing knowledge of God's creation.