This, in no way, addresses my response. Let me try a different approach... I would assume that God sometimes answers the call to heal as well, right???? (i.e.) missing limbs, cerebral palsy, and Downs syndrome?.?.?.?. Heck, look at all the cancer survivors alone, just for starters... Many claim God aided in their cures, even including earlier in this thread.
As God is apparently omniscient, God apparently also already has a preset plan for your every moment. Right? Nothing which happens to you, does God not already know about ahead of time. If you pray for anything, for which God actually fulfills, which also was not already predetermined to happen in God's direct plan for you, then you are essentially asking God to change His will. So...
If God never changes His predetermined will, to instead cater to an earnest alternative prayer request, then any/all petitionary and intercessory prayers to heal are worthless. ---> They only happen if God is already going to will such predetermined outcomes.
I did not want to get into the huge topic of omniscient, predestined, foreknowledge, relativity of time and man’s free will, but will:
Lots of things are predestined by God, since that is what He will to do and sometimes when He will do it.
If God’s omnipresence includes not only man’s present time, but also man’s past and man’s future time, then God is outside of time.
God expressing himself in anthropomorphically to humans is to show why God would use our understanding of time in communicating with us. We know the results of God’s miracles but not how the miracle was done. God would not have to talk about the relativity of time or his existence outside of our time and would keep it simple and with excellent communication, talk about time from a human perspective. Time in heaven might also have their own time separate from man’s time.
God exists throughout human time at the same time, so there really is no past or future for God, so when we talk about the future, it is only future for us and not God.
It is not that God knows what you will chose in the future (suggesting the future, is also God’s future), but God knows the free will choices you did make in the future (it is history for God).
The reason God knows a free will choice you will make tomorrow is because you already made that choice for the God which exists at the end of time, so with God being outside of time the God at the end of time is communicating (within Himself) to the God of today the choices you made tomorrow.
Yes, tomorrow’s choice has not been made as far as you are concerned, but has been made as far as God is concerned.
Time is totally “relative” for God and for the last 100 years now, time has been shown to be relative and nothing has even gone against the Theory of Relativity.
If you know today historically a free will choice, I made yesterday, that choice cannot be changed, since history cannot be changed even by God (it happened). The fact you historically know a free will choice does not mean it was not a free will choice.
If God is outside of human time then God at the end of time knows perfectly historically (history cannot be changed) every autonomous free will choice man made at any and all times. God at the end of time would be able to send that information to Himself at the beginning of time before there was a known universe.
If God at the end of time knows what Adam and Eve did in the Garden, He can provide that to Himself before Adam and Eve were created, so God knows exactly what Adam and Eve are “going to do”, since they have “already done” it (God is in both places at the same “human” time).
It is difficult to think about what it is like to be outside of time and existing throughout time.
My theory would have this:
1. God perfectly knows all human future from some beginning point or before time began.
2. God knows all possible scenarios for the future that would result from His actions and man’s autonomous free will choices.
3. God has predestined in detail most of what man will experience, but this predestined set up scenario by God is to assure every mature adult has a truly independent autonomous free will choice to accept or reject His pure charity as charity, which is the individual’s choice.
4. God predestining the scenarios of man to make this free will choice would be limited to the point an individual could still chose to accept and not harden his/her heart to the point there is nothing more God could do to help that individual.
5. God knows perfectly from the beginning of time what choice every mature adult made throughout man’s history from God’s presence throughout time, but God did not make the choice for the person.
6. God predestined “before” anything was decided to be made that those humans who accepted His charity He would save.
Now the application with pray: If I pray for something today to happen tomorrow and God answers that pray as I asked the God at the end of time will know and can provide that information back to the God at the beginning of time, but if I do not pray for something and God does not provide it, then the God at the end of time would send that information back to Himself at the beginning of time, so God from the beginning of time, knows perfectly what will happen in the human tomorrow.
Seems pretty clear that all fall short of perfection. The [only] way to salvation is belief, repent of sin, maybe baptism, maybe works, maybe other stuff? God seems to deem all humans sinners. However, it also seems abundantly clear, in places mentioned in the Bible, that without BELIEF you are doomed to eternal punishment --- away from God. So the real question here becomes, why is God playing "Hide and Seek'', and continuing to be the perpetual winner with me?
God is only visibly hidden, for He is literally at your elbow. A tree is evidence for the existence of God if you allow that evidence.
It is truly unfortunate, but humans, who are made as good as they can be made, have to sin in order to help them fulfill their earthly objective. Sin is really not the problem, but unforgiven sins are a huge problem.
Humans have the ability to trust (have faith in people and stuff) it just has to be directed at a benevolent creator. Faith is needed for humility and humility is needed to accept pure charity. What God is offering to you is huge beyond imagination, but it has to be accepted as it is given as pure charity.
No, nor does He Himself expect that... He Himself states we are all unworthy of salvation. This is apparently why He had to clone Himself, and sacrifice Himself to Himself. And now, as long as we believe, accept, and repent, we too can be saved. Are you without 'sin', even as a devout believer? I think not
However, doesn't God understand that we cannot control what we believe? Maybe if God presented Himself to me in a way, for which I could no longer doubt His mere existence? But instead, He chooses to remain hidden. Peculiar?
You are right about some things here, this “Love” is obtain by accepting it as a pure undeserved gift and there is really only one way which we at taught by Jesus: “…he that is forgiven much Loves much…”, so if you knowingly humbly accept God’s forgiveness of your unbelievable huge debt of sin, you will automatically receive an unbelievable huge Love (Godly type Love).
God created a black and white false dichotomy - a). eternal bliss <or> b). eternal torture. Seems odd that if belief is the pinnacle point between two such planes of existence, that God chooses for many not to receive sufficient evidence for belief?
If you have evidence, then you have knowledge of God’s existence which means there is no need for faith (believing) in God’s existence.
I disagree. I myself would have to reconcile that there IS a cosmic all knowing agent, which is evaluating, judging, and critiquing my every move. This would be quite humbling...
What you describe: evaluating, judging, and critiquing my every move, is someone that would be impossible for human to love. You might be looking for the some no existent “god”.
God is not looking for you to intellectually “reconcile” His existence. God is not trying to get something from you (God does not need anything you could supply), but God is trying to get you to humbly accept His help as pure charity, because it is charity and thus can only be accepted as charity.
God will lift you up and not put you down, since you need to recognize you are already down.
If there is no intelligence and only time, space, energy and matter out there then you are extremely lucky, since you are the first to be made without intelligence, since if intelligence had come earlier and evolved into super intelligence, that would be the most like source for your existence. Are you that lucky?
Answered above... Nothing I do or did would matter. All that would matter is that I believe He exists, and worship Him. You cannot worship something for which you do not think even exists, can you?.?.?.?.?..?.?.?....................??????
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I ask again.... Seems odd that God seems to intervene or answer the call to healing in some prayers.... But when it comes to conditions for which 'science' does not have any answer, neither does God (i.e.) missing limbs, cerebral palsy, and Downs syndrome.
Explained above.