Extraneous
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You said that Christ didnt record his words. You are using a logical fallacy by trying to use them now. Christ also said to beware the hypocrisy of false teachers.
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"John answered and said, "Master, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name; and we tried to prevent him because he does not follow along with us." But Jesus said to him, "Do not hinder him; for he who is not against you is for you."
Extraneous, true theology is anything but insulting and casting aspersion on your fellow Christians who don't share you views. In a true theological dialogue, you address your opponents arguments. If you disagree, you should provide a rational rebuttal. There is no excuse for attacking someone's character. Also, all you have stated here are your opinions, your interpretation of Scripture. OK, fine. That's what we are here for. However, your posts are your opinions and just that. So they can and should be questioned. And those who question you should be treated with respect. That's the rule here.
Frankly, whenever I encounter laity blasting away at science, I immediately write that off as the result of an overblown ego and an underdeveloped intellect.
Extaneous, you have yet to point out any flaws, not one. What you have done is insist that the only way to interpret Scripture is via the fundamentalist understanding. Now, I agree that you have the right to do so. But you are still presenting a number of questionable opinions on your part and then berating others who do not agree.
When I was little I believed in Evolution without a moments thought to ever question it. I believed we used to live in caves and hunt Mammoths and what-have-you. I've seen the iconic picture of the ape slowly transitioning into a man and thought it was real because scientists said so, right?
I started to see the inconsistencies in the "science" that evolutionists had in backing up their theory and found the evidence for evolution to be quite laughable and dishonest. I quickly began to realize that convincing others how stupid the theory of evolution was (even though the evidence is clear)was not an evidential problem, but a spiritual problem. When I walked with God and studied the Bible and it's history diligently (took a few years) I learned it was only through the Bible I was able to distinguish truth from lie otherwise I would perhaps still be believing evolution was a scientific fact.
That said, I've known many Christians who love Jesus Christ and God as much as the next Christian and still believe evolution is scientific fact. What's important is they are good people and love Jesus Christ and accept him as their lord and saviour, right? Personally, the book of revelation speaks of the different standpoints in the faith and I see this theory as a necessity.
I said Jesus didn't leave any writings of his own. The gospels were written by others who gathered up as much quote material as they could.You said that Christ didnt record his words. You are using a logical fallacy by trying to use them now. Christ also said to beware the hypocrisy of false teachers.
KW, sarcastic statements such s "you can read the stars, but you can't read the Bible" are insulting and totally inappropriate in this or any theological discussion group.Wrong, it's perfectly relevant. I don't expect atheists to revere God, but I DO expect Christians to acknowledge God's holy word. If you deny the word you deny God. How can you be a follower of a God you deny? Of Christ who died for nothing because there was no fall of man and no righteous judgment? How can we tell who is who when the Christians hold the Word in the same contempt as the non-believers?
I have very specifically asked you to demonstrate how the Bible agrees with evolution as the Biblical scholar you claim to be. I never positioned myself as a research theologian, but you seem to make quite a show of discussing how much more you know than the poor, uneducated Christian. So what have we seen from you? Zip! Zero! Nothing! I've seen more Scriptural knowledge coming from atheists. Either you choose to share none of the knowledge you profess to have or you simply don't have it. I'm beginning to think you're just another account held by the same self-professed "Biblical scholar" that I have ignored under multiple screen names. Demonstrate how the Scriptures support evolution or admit they do not. I'm done with the games.
No, I have not contradicted myself. I am merely pointing out the absurdity of some lay persons to think they are so much smarter than all these scientists. Also, if you expect that everyone is going to agree with you on everything, you are in for a rude awakening and a rough trip through life. If you are uncomfortable with debating, with encountering fellow Christians who do not share your views, then theological discussion is not a place where you should be. And you are not worldly yourself? After all, you are going on the human-made theories of the church fathers, your own thinking, etc. That sure seems pretty worldly to me. Now, I have no trouble with you a or anyone else doing that. It's just that I want others to be honest about where they are coming from.
Abraxos, it seems you want to rundown science by saying that evolutionary thinkers all are stupid, lack proper faith, etc. That's a no-no in serious theological discussion. You have to be respectful of those who disagree with you. You have very definite opinions on these matters. OK, fine. But they are just that, your opinions. There is no apparent reason why they should be considered any better than what others have to say who may very well disagree with you. Frankly, whenever I encounter laity blasting away at science, I immediately write that off as the result of an overblown ego and an underdeveloped intellect. Well you may study Scripture and present your conclusions. But they are simply just that, your conclusions as a lay person. OK, fine. Nothing wrong with being laity and expressing yourself. However, I need to see some solid credentials and scholarship behind what some is saying in order for me to take it as something I should pause and consider.
I said Jesus didn't leave any writings of his own. The gospels were written by others who gathered up as much quote material as they could.
Luke 1New International Version (NIV)
Introduction
1 Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled[a] among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3 With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.
OK, Extraneous, maybe I came across as a bit rough and insulting, so let me reword what I am saying. Let me ask you a couple of questions. How and why do you expect that I would believe your word over what the scientists have to say, when they are the experts and you are not? How and why do you expect I would buy your interpretation of Scripture over what modern biblical scholars have to say, when they are the experts and you are not? And please don't try and answer by saying you are more full of the Spirit.
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