Why do Christians have trouble with accepting Evolution?

[Noxot]

the wisdom from below and the wisdom from above are everywhere. a sword will cut you if you don't know how to use it properly.

 

[Noxot]

emotions have lead me to places that i would have never went by mere logic alone, I guess you could relate.

 

[Extraneous]

I think that people who have a literal understanding of the bible are the same kinds of people that are like a lot of atheist are. most of the modern world subconsciously believes in science. in some people, I have not really seen much a difference between the biblical literalist and the staunch atheist. thus in the spirit I warn against those who have a shallow understanding about the bible seeing as God takes the wise in their own craftiness.

I understand that some Christians rightly spiritually discern that there are dangers of over-symbolizing the bible away into a book of 'pragmatic' truths that are useful for humans existing in this world, but that kind of belief is a thing that only atheist would think.

I don't rule anything out. I believe in both a literal and a figurative translation. I believe in the exodus as well, but i know it has a spiritual figurative meaning too. I wonder why we must drag this worldly stuff into the Church. We are about spiritual things, not worldly things.

 

[sonofedward]

Why do Christians have trouble with accepting Evolution?
Evolution is a myth and bad science which is being propagated by the world elite for one purpose. I also don't believe that the earth is flat.

God bless

 

[Noxot]

the world is good. only the evil elements will burn up. a pit that some monks fell into was that they tried to separate themselves from the world. but the angels sing of the earth being full of Gods glory.

 

[Extraneous]

An atheist will only laugh if you have the wrong answers. They are known for that. Like its not untrue, but its not the way they want it to mean as literalists do it. Or well... this is why Augustine is the best. Here is what he says about it.

"It is too disgraceful and ruinous, though, and greatly to be avoided, that he [the non-Christian] should hear a Christian speaking so idiotically on these matters, and as if in accord with Christian writings,, that he might say that he could scarcely keep from laughing when he saw how totally in error they are."

More or less which is why the allegory explanation is the perfect explanation in my view. Protestants has to be ridiculed because they have no choice, since their literalism came to be during the reformation. So thats sad more or less.

An atheist laughs at us anyway. It seems unwise to try and find agreement with them. Sure, we dont need to argue against them necessarily, but why agree?

 

[Extraneous]

the wisdom from below and the wisdom from above are everywhere. a sword will cut you if you don't know how to use it properly.

It cuts everyone anyway. Thats what it does.

 

[Noxot]

but what a shame it would be to be fighting an enemy and he take your own spear and stab you through with it. that happened in the bible. good to happen if the hero did it. bad if the enemy does it to you.

actually dying is not such a bad idea sometimes. it just depends. but seriously, seek ye God or what you think is the truth shall condemn you.

 

[Armoured]

No it doesn't.
Checkout the video, if you dare.

O wait, you had a lame excuse not to...

Explain it in your own words, if you can.

 

[Extraneous]

Put on the whole armor of God, and things will be fine.

 

[Noxot]

I have not listened to a creationist in a while so i am watching that video.

 

[Extraneous]

Explain it in your own words, if you can.

There is worldly wisdom and spiritual. Which do you prefer?

 

[Extraneous]

To be a friend of the world is to be an enemy of God. To mind things of the flesh is to walk in flesh, but to mind things of the spirit is to walk in the spirit. WE must sow to the spirit.

 

[dms1972]

Why do [some] christians have problems accepting evolution?

Maybe because there are at least three competing theories of it and there is a lot of non-scientific baggage in some of those theories. In any case science changes its models (as it did from steady state cosmology to expanding universe), and it would be foolish for christians to be loyal to one theory such as Darwinian evolution. Also Darwin provided a means of falsification - what is now refered to as organisms of irreducible complexity - that was Darwin's idea, not the Intelligent Design proponents.

Adaptation is true I think (but not Macro-evolution). It allows for the differentiation already in creation to continue, and prevents particular species from becoming extinct it seems to me. I don't have a problem with a 'God of the gaps' either, if we are thinking truely in science, we are thinking in a human way God's thoughts after him. We won't comprehend it all, for we are finite.

 

[Senod2]

An atheist laughs at us anyway. It seems unwise to try and find agreement with them. Sure, we dont need to argue against them necessarily, but why agree?

True. But science of this world is what makes people not take our religion seriously. We need to apply logic to more or less make sense of it so that they can be easily refuted. To prove their mockery is all it is, mockery and nothing more than empty laughs

 

[Extraneous]

True. But science of this world is what makes people not take our religion seriously. We need to apply logic to more or less make sense of it so that they can be easily refuted. To prove their mockery is all it is, mockery and nothing more than empty laughs

Im not saying science isnt useful in refuting mans foolishness, because it would lead many Christians astray perhaps. However to add mans wisdom to Gods wisdom seems problematic. Its the mind of Christ that we have and speak, but that comes by hearing, not science.

 

[JoeP222w]

I think i know some key ideas. Its because it undermines the creation story and that people will become irreligious?

Well wouldnt that be an issue about the idea of the earth is flat if the bible is literal on that part i mean?

What i mean is that science explains our physicial world. The main point i am making is that Creation Story had two interpretations in medieval ages. Allegory" basically a deeper meaning than it is. Or "Literally" like just like it is written.

So basically allegory seems to be the key point then. Since that can be used. Since God is outside our understanding. Science is a method just to understand the world we live in more or less.

So i dont see the problem with evolution, because it doesnt undermine the scripture in the sense of it not being true?

Although i do believe its a shame that more people who lack understanding go away because of ignorance and just dont bother trying to understand why Christianity is a religion to help your life.

But i am curious to what you think?

"Its because it undermines the creation story and that people will become irreligious?"

Evolution attempts, but does not truly undermine anything, since there is not one single shred of observable, testable, repeatable evidence of Evolution. And if someone's faith can be derailed by lies, then I propose that that person's faith was not in the truth of God.

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"Well wouldnt that be an issue about the idea of the earth is flat if the bible is literal on that part i mean?"

Nowhere does the Bible say that the earth is flat, nor do Christians believe that the earth is flat.

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"What i mean is that science explains our physicial world. The main point i am making is that Creation Story had two interpretations in medieval ages. Allegory" basically a deeper meaning than it is. Or "Literally" like just like it is written."

How something is wrongly interpreted does not change the truth of the original document. There are no allegories in the Bible.
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"Although i do believe its a shame that more people who lack understanding go away because of ignorance and just dont bother trying to understand why Christianity is a religion to help your life."

You have a very false understanding of Christianity if you believe it is "a religion to help your life". Jesus came to make dead people live. He did not come to enhance your life. As a matter of fact, if you are following Christ, you may very well have an incredibly hard life, including persecution, even martyrdom through most horrific means (look at what ISIS is doing to Christians).

 

[JoeP222w]

But the Bible isn't literal on that point, referring to the Earth, as it does in one passage, as a sphere.


...and what you're saying is the reason most Christians have come to believe in (theistic) evolution.

The theory of evolution was originally seen as rejecting the possibility of God creating by an act of His will, but if we see Him as having created the laws of the universe and setting them into operation, which in turn resulted in the creation of all that exists in the physical universe...

then evolution is credible and not opposed to Genesis.

Nothing in the Bible supports the false notion of "Theistic evolution". This comes from the notion that a sinful man (Darwin) came up with this irrational idea of Evolution, now we have make the Bible submit to the authority of man (this is eisegesis). God is sovereign, not man.

 

[Landon Caeli]

I have a difficult time understanding why more than 3 times, species have grown wings and have taken flight completely independent and unrelated to one another... What are the odds of that that if mutations are "random"? Obviously Darwin was incorrect about Natural Selection being the primary force of evolution. And if I believe that environmental needs dictate mutation, then I am guilty of scientific apostacy.

We've got flying insects, birds and dinosaurs which flied... All evolving the ability on their own completely unrelated and independently of one another. WOW.

 

[dms1972]

True. But science of this world is what makes people not take our religion seriously.

How when modern science got a lot it impetus from a christian mileau?

A malevolent demi-urge or fourth rate local deity playing a joke, would not inspire a confidence of finding a rational order in nature that the Triune Creator God of the Bible inspired.

Actually its often ignorance of true science, and the limits of science that make people reject religion, but there isn't actually anything in science that goes against that which is true in religion except for the prejudices of some scientists. I beleive that the christian religion and science are complimentary not that they are saying the same thing, the Bible isn't science but it truths are able of receiving the increasing knowledge that comes through science, And science is not theology, but they need not be in conflict. The conflict is with the extra baggage, and sometimes with the method, but is a scientific method really methodologically naturalistic? What is happening when a scientist shakes a test tube? The notion of a closed system of cause and effect is not sustainable to my mind, and an the uniformity of an open system of cause and effect capable of re-ordering by God or man doesn't seem to me to subvert the process of discovery in science.