Why do Christians hate Wicca(Witchcraft)?

[Shekinahs]

Doesn't matter. If they are not calling on the name of Jesus in prayer, it's all wrong. That's all I need to know.

Well then it ain't for you is it

If magick is not for you don't worry about it.

 

[ALW]

You say you are very spiritual. well, that is a supernatural facet of our nature, and prayer a "supernatural association or relationship" with the person or persons you pray to or believe you do.

This is the first time I have heard pray and conversation with God as supernatural. I am acustom to picturing supernatural as the sensationalized, sci-fi stuff on movies. But, in the context that you put supernatural, I will have to retract my previous statement saying I have no supernatural association because I do pray and I am very spiritual.

 

[LastMaxim]

:repost:

I'll remind several people of something, who seem to be contributing to this thread, and ignoring one simple point; The commandment reads as follows:

"You Shall Not Murder"

...it is not, "You shall not Kill". This was a mis-translation, that worked it's way into the KJV, etc, but has been corrected several times since. The defination of kill, and the defination of murder are quite different...hope that clears things up abit...

 

[Smilin]

Sounds about right to me. Different phrases from different roots from different sides of the ocean.

Do you have a definition for witch or witchcraft?

I haven't formed a definition. Why? It has been
perverted and changed so drastically over the course
of time, I remain open. I have been studying
the term as it has evolved over time. Knowing what
the term used to indicate, versus what it indicates
in our current history, I can understand the confusion
over the 'biblical term'. I also find it very interesting
the Bible doesn't take the time to define the term
appropriately either.

How's that? lol...basically, I'm still searching for
a definition

 

[SquareC]

I'm glad to hear you have been able to intercede succesfully for your friends, but am puzzled by your question concerning the supernatural. You say you are very spiritual. well, that is a supernatural facet of our nature, and prayer a "supernatural association or relationship" with the person or persons you pray to or believe you do.

In that case, yes, I do have a supernatural association with my Lady and Lord. I was not clear on your definition of supernatural. It, like many other terms, mean different things to different people.

 

[ALW]

Blessings to you for bringing up amystickalgrove.com My mentor contributes on that site

~ShekinahMoon~

Thank you.
The forum, articals or the newsletter?

 

[Smilin]

:repost:

I'll remind several people of something, who seem to be contributing to this thread, and ignoring one simple point; The commandment reads as follows:

"You Shall Not Murder"

...it is not, "You shall not Kill". This was a mis-translation, that worked it's way into the KJV, etc, but has been corrected several times since. The defination of kill, and the defination of murder are quite different...hope that clears things up abit...

ANOTHER mistranslation? I'll take your word for
that (for now), but will check on it.

Clear things up? Yes, another example of how mankind
induced flaws into a religious text which was supposedly
the inspired, inerrant word of God. I find it unclear
why a loving God wishing to communicate to his
Creation through a written text would allow his
representative text to be flawed with mistranslations.

Thus the reasoning many of us seek alternate paths
to the spirituality which guides us.

 

[Smilin]

This is the first time I have heard pray and conversation with God as supernatural. I am acustom to picturing supernatural as the sensationalized, sci-fi stuff on movies. But, in the context that you put supernatural, I will have to retract my previous statement saying I have no supernatural association because I do pray and I am very spiritual.

The original assertion that prayer and spirituality is
'supernatural'? If that is true, my prayers are private,
never spoken, my spirituality is personal, expressed
in silence within the reverence and beauty of the Creation...
That indicates a facet of my very being is supernatural

HEY...I'M A GOD BY THAT REASONING!!!!

(everyone take the day off with pay...my commandment
for the day)

 

[Arikay]

I know this was kinda far back, but.

Yep, god is the one who decides whos blood is inoccent or not. Now there has been only 1 christian I know of that was god, and unless you want to claim that god dirrectly talks to people, it means that no christian has the right to judge someone to be worthy of death. Unless of course "god told you to do it" but then again, how would we know? We could trust you, do you trust the mother who drowned her sons that god told her to do it? Nope, me either.

Thus Thou shalt not murder is about the same as thou shalt not kill, since you are not powerfull enough to make the distinction between kill and murder/ guilty or innocent.

God does

 

[ALW]

I haven't formed a definition. Why? It has been
perverted and changed so drastically over the course
of time, I remain open. I have been studying
the term as it has evolved over time. Knowing what
the term used to indicate, versus what it indicates
in our current history, I can understand the confusion
over the 'biblical term'. I also find it very interesting
the Bible doesn't take the time to define the term
appropriately either.

How's that? lol...basically, I'm still searching for
a definition

I think you have a good stance.
Would love a time line - being visual and all
The word does become quite abstract when all is taken into account - history, lingustics, perception

Hmmm, may there have been a reason why the bible doesn't have a definition?

Could one of the bible scholars out there list us what the Bible includes as witchcraft since there isn't a handydandy glossary?

 

[ALW]

:repost:

I'll remind several people of something, who seem to be contributing to this thread, and ignoring one simple point; The commandment reads as follows:

"You Shall Not Murder"

...it is not, "You shall not Kill". This was a mis-translation, that worked it's way into the KJV, etc, but has been corrected several times since. The defination of kill, and the defination of murder are quite different...hope that clears things up abit...

I will want to check also.
I like it better the first way.
By changing it, it's like saying you can't murder but you can kill in these ways. It justifies the death sentence and other 'special cases'

Do you know the details of the change?

 

[ALW]

The original assertion that prayer and spirituality is
'supernatural'? If that is true, my prayers are private,
never spoken, my spirituality is personal, expressed
in silence within the reverence and beauty of the Creation...
That indicates a facet of my very being is supernatural

HEY...I'M A GOD BY THAT REASONING!!!!

(everyone take the day off with pay...my commandment
for the day)

Oh, thank you
Just in time to buy more presents

 

[Smilin]

Oh, thank you
Just in time to buy more presents

Oh,,in that case...CHRISTMAS BONUSES FOR EVERYONE!

(gotta have money to buy presents)

 

[ALW]

Oh,,in that case...CHRISTMAS BONUSES FOR EVERYONE!

(gotta have money to buy presents)

 

[Smilin]

I think you have a good stance.
Would love a time line - being visual and all
The word does become quite abstract when all is taken into account - history, lingustics, perception

THAT, my friend would be a worthwhile project to
research.

I did the same excercise over a year ago with the
origin of the Bible... (it mysteriously disappeared
from the forum)

However, the origins of the term 'witch' and 'witchcraft'...

an inspiration for the upcoming Christmas break!!!!!

 

[ALW]

THAT, my friend would be a worthwhile project to
research.

I did the same excercise over a year ago with the
origin of the Bible... (it mysteriously disappeared
from the forum)

However, the origins of the term 'witch' and 'witchcraft'...

an inspiration for the upcoming Christmas break!!!!!

Yes indeed, a good project.
I think it would take a little longer thatn my Christmas break.
I can think of several people who would find it interesting.

Library time and more.........

 

[LastMaxim]

I will want to check also.
I like it better the first way.
By changing it, it's like saying you can't murder but you can kill in these ways. It justifies the death sentence and other 'special cases'

Do you know the details of the change?

Details?...it was a mistranslation, period, and has been fixed in later translations...it's kinda sad that pervious translations don't really bother to make corrections ...and it's not really a change, as much as it is a fix...but it does put the rest of the Old Testament into better context, when you see the difference of these two words...

 

[Forseti]

it sorta upsets me sometimes that some ppl are under the impression that nature-religions are sinful. but why? i'm a (humanist) follower of Odinism, and I love and respect everything around me, but i'm not a Christian and I would never even think of harming anyone, let alone disrespect Christianity! does that mean your God would still punish me because I followed another teaching, but never ever harmed anyone?

 

[ALW]

Details?...it was a mistranslation, period, and has been fixed in later translations...it's kinda sad that pervious translations don't really bother to make corrections ...and it's not really a change, as much as it is a fix...but it does put the rest of the Old Testament into better context, when you see the difference of these two words...

What I meant was -
- what was the original word that was mistranslated into English?
- When was the oooppps noticed?
- What versions have the revised word? Any not switch?
- Is the mistranslation just in the comandments or elsewhere also? (seems like elsewhere from your last sentence)

 

[thesword]

I am a Christian. I don't know anything about Wicca, so I can't condemn you. And as far as I can think, the only person I've ever been guilty of intensely hating is "Dr. Phil."

I'd love to learn more about Wicca, if you want to share, or post a link, or PM me.

Dr. Phil Thats Cute. I hope you forgive him.


In Jesus Name,
Joshua