Why do people hate ICE...

[RocksInMyHead]

The part I bolded would be a bit of a stretch.

I can't be the only one who remembers all the bickering and protesting about "The Wall", family separation at the border, "kids in cages" photo ops, and his executive order that progressives branded as the "Muslim Ban"

And some of those protests were pretty noteworthy in size.

30,000 New Yorkers March to End Refugee & Muslim Ban - NYC, Long Island, New York State | New York Immigration Coalition - Revision

At least 30,000 New Yorkers - including immigrants, refugees, Muslims and allies - gathered in Battery Park City across from the Statue of Liberty to demand that Trump rescind his recent executive orders and end all hateful policies. You can see photos here. They then marched to Foley Square...

www.nyic.org

Tens of thousands rallied for Families Belong Together

SAN FRANCISCO – An estimated 20,000 demonstrators gathered at City Hall in San Francisco June 30 for a massive Families Belong Together march and rally, demanding an end to the Trump administration’s harsh policies of family separation and detention and its failure to reunite thousands of famili...

www.peoplesworld.org

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/07/03/who-came-out-in-the-brutal-heat-to-the-families-belong-together-march-heres-our-data/

WaPo estimates that 400,000 people participated in those various protests about his first-term immigration policies.

What threshold are we using to quantify "significant"?

Fair; I misspoke - I intended to reiterate my previous post, where I said that there were no significant protests against ICE. Because we've been talking about deportations. Some of Trump's immigration policies were protested during his first term (again, largely because of his rhetoric on them), but I don't recall any that had to do with deportations, so again, your hypothesis that it was okay for a young black man to deport people but not an old white man doesn't appear to have any basis in reality.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Fair; I misspoke - I intended to reiterate my previous post, where I said that there were no significant protests against ICE. Because we've been talking about deportations. Some of Trump's immigration policies were protested during his first term (again, largely because of his rhetoric on them), but I don't recall any that had to do with deportations, so again, your hypothesis that it was okay for a young black man to deport people but not an old white man doesn't appear to have any basis in reality.

I'll have to dig around on the Wayback machine and find it (I know I linked it here some years back in a debate during Trump's first term)

It was a New York Times piece called "The Great Expulsion" (I want to say it was from between 2012-2014), and one of the people interviewed was an Immigration Studies professor from UC.

The professor speculated that Obama's identity as a person of color, and the fact that his campaign was surrounded in progressive branding helped soften the public reaction to certain immigration enforcement practices that, under a white conservative president, would have triggered a much stronger backlash.

I'll see if I can find it on one of the archive sources later.

The part of that article that still sticks out in my mind was that his position as the first Black president gave Democrats a "tendency toward deference", making it politically difficult for them to vocally oppose his actions without feeling disloyal or divisive.

I put the "tendency toward deference" in quotes because that's the line that more vividly remember from the piece.

 

[camille70]

I'll have to dig around on the Wayback machine and find it (I know I linked it here some years back in a debate during Trump's first term)

It was a New York Times piece called "The Great Expulsion" (I want to say it was from between 2012-2014), and one of the people interviewed was an Immigration Studies professor from UC.

The professor speculated that Obama's identity as a person of color, and the fact that his campaign was surrounded in progressive branding helped soften the public reaction to certain immigration enforcement practices that, under a white conservative president, would have triggered a much stronger backlash.

I'll see if I can find it on one of the archive sources later.

The part of that article that still sticks out in my mind was that his position as the first Black president gave Democrats a "tendency toward deference", making it politically difficult for them to vocally oppose his actions without feeling disloyal or divisive.

I put the "tendency toward deference" in quotes because that's the line that more vividly remember from the piece.

Obama was known as the Deporter-in-Chief. He had some pushback but they weren't framing deportations in dehumanizing terms and wasn't using it as a policy to motivate his base. They also used ankle monitors while people were going through the asylum process and had a 90+% show rate even when people were getting deported. He also wasn't using the process to enrich private detention center owners and focused on actual criminals.

Stephen Miller under Trump is trying to cause immigrants as much pain and humiliation as possible and immigrants serve as a foil for people to blame their problems on and a tool for fear mongering. They cant both be taking all the jobs and all the welfare.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I'll have to dig around on the Wayback machine and find it (I know I linked it here some years back in a debate during Trump's first term)

It was a New York Times piece called "The Great Expulsion" (I want to say it was from between 2012-2014), and one of the people interviewed was an Immigration Studies professor from UC.

The professor speculated that Obama's identity as a person of color, and the fact that his campaign was surrounded in progressive branding helped soften the public reaction to certain immigration enforcement practices that, under a white conservative president, would have triggered a much stronger backlash.

I'll see if I can find it on one of the archive sources later.

The part of that article that still sticks out in my mind was that his position as the first Black president gave Democrats a "tendency toward deference", making it politically difficult for them to vocally oppose his actions without feeling disloyal or divisive.

I put the "tendency toward deference" in quotes because that's the line that more vividly remember from the piece.

Well that explains the left but how do you explain the right going from at the time complaining about Obama not doing enough or anything on immigration to now seemingly holding him up as the gold standard of immigration enforcement?

 

[RocksInMyHead]

I'll have to dig around on the Wayback machine and find it (I know I linked it here some years back in a debate during Trump's first term)

It was a New York Times piece called "The Great Expulsion" (I want to say it was from between 2012-2014), and one of the people interviewed was an Immigration Studies professor from UC.

The professor speculated that Obama's identity as a person of color, and the fact that his campaign was surrounded in progressive branding helped soften the public reaction to certain immigration enforcement practices that, under a white conservative president, would have triggered a much stronger backlash.

I'll see if I can find it on one of the archive sources later.

The part of that article that still sticks out in my mind was that his position as the first Black president gave Democrats a "tendency toward deference", making it politically difficult for them to vocally oppose his actions without feeling disloyal or divisive.

I put the "tendency toward deference" in quotes because that's the line that more vividly remember from the piece.

Fine, but that's speculation from more than a decade ago. Since then, we've had two old white men in the Presidency to test the hypothesis, and neither of them got appreciably more pushback on deportation than Obama did. That's despite Biden deporting significantly more people than Obama. It's only the shifting of rhetoric and the changing of tactics that have actually had any real effect on public opinion on this issue, not the skin color of the guy in the Oval Office.