Why do Christians hate Wicca(Witchcraft)?

[Phinehas]

What LastMaxim is saying is that from translation, it was always considered as murder in the Hebrew. When Jesus quotes this commandment in the new testament He said, "thou shalt do no murder..." Matt. 19:18

 

[Shekinahs]

Magic (speaking of real magic, not illusion) is an attempt to use, manipulate, or work with any supernatural thing to achieve a desired result in the natural or supernatural realm (which are just different parts of the same realm, reality) outside of God's wishes.
Biblically, we are to come directly to Him to intervene supernaturally on our behalf.

Blessings,

Thanks for replying and actually your answer is pretty good. Well thought out and intuitive.

Ok, you said attempt. Do you believe that what you just stated is then even possible? If God does not agree with people working within a supernatural realm then the Biblical prophets were not doing God's will for the prophets did many mystical acts yet all for the glory of God. Even in the New Testament they worked within the mystical realm. The story of Ananias and Sapphira and Peter's words to them in the book of Acts is one example. Peter is an amazing example.

~ShekinahMoon~

 

[StarrShadowfyre]

Lilangelheart Stated:
That's referring to the spilling of innocent blood.

Exodus 20:13 and Deuteronomy 5:17 Thou shalt not kill. (This is verbatim it does not state nor imply anything other then what it says and that is Thou shalt not Kill Period.

Lilangelheart states: I'm not saying wiccans are evil, and I'm sure your intentions may be good, but casting spells for whatever reason or purpose and calling on other spirits for help is what God of the Bible tells us not to do. How can your god be the same as my God when you break so many of my God's commandments in your practice and form of worship?

The Almighty Creator of the Universe is worshipped by many, He is known by many different names, and many different paths have been chosen by people that have come to believe in the Almighty Creator. There are many different ways in which people worship the Almighty Creator. You believe and practice what is written in the Bible and that works for you and that is great. It does not however work for me. As a child I went to Sunday School for many years and I even went to a Christian School, I have read the Bible and have found a lot of descrepencies in it, and after research into other Religions I found my way through Wicca which is a beautiful Religion and although it is my chosen path, Others have to find thier own path and belief system.
Blessings,
Starr

 

[ALW]

BTW..how do you define 'witchcraft precisely'?

I see a witch as someone who can sense natural & spiritual forces, is influenced by changes in surroundings, nature and season, and uses natural and spiritual resources to commune/interact with God (in my personal perspective singular/non-defining/omnipresent/omnifarious).

Sorry to keep you waiting over night. I leave here at 2:30 eastern time.

I will get back to you in a little bit on my definition of witchcraft. (students here)

 

[ALW]

Back now.....

I one simple sentence:
Witchcraft is the use of natural and spiritual resources provided by God to achieve specific goals/needs/wants.

Additionally: Witchcraft is the use of connected energy found in individual sources in combination with each other to attract an intensified energy. Common sources can include herbs, oils, stones, minerals, etc. Witchcraft to some is also directly asking God (Goddess) for a change, guidance or help. This form of witchcraft also includes the use of sources such as herbs, incense, candles, symbols, word, etc to focus the witch’s own mind or energy on the communion with God. These things are what many people consider spells.
Different forms of witchcraft form from different traditions. Witches can incorporate the energies associated with individual resources from different traditions/regions/cultures.


If you really want a diverse perspective on what is a witch and what is witchcraft from witches, wiccans and pagans here’s a link: http://www.amystickalgrove.com/dcforum/DCForumID43/17.html

 

[LilAngelHeart]

And who judges whether someone is innocent or not?

God does

 

[LilAngelHeart]

Yes I know what magick is because I study it. I'm just curious for those who do not study or have studied magick (nope not Harry Potter or Charmed) how do they know what magick is? People say divination is magick. Ok, how does one know exactly what that is? Can someone define diviniation or spell and not plop down some cut and paste from an online dictionary. That's third person. And this is to those who have not studied magick. So no ex-witches helping people out.

People are quick to say how evil magick is ok that's their right but I'm curious do people even know what magick is? I mean seriously define it without listing the skills to do magick. I mean not the magick is divination and tarot readings and spell casting defining. If people are going to say all of that then explain what those things are? People are concerned about the props and tools. To be honest if people are going to be concerned they need to be more concerned about the practiotioners of magick who need no spell books or Tarot cards or crystals or robes or anything else. They just need their minds. They are the powerful ones. And you'll never know them when you see them. If people want to pray for people who do magick pray for people to have some morals so the magick is for good.

~ShekinahMoon~

LOL! It doesn't matter exactly what they do in what order or the small details. I know that calling upon other spirits and playing around with the spirit realm outside of God is a sin and to be avoided, so the fact that they do that makes it wrong. It doesn't matter exactly what they chant, how many candles they light if they use candles etc. All I need to know is that they are calling on other spirits outside of God so that makes it wrong period. No matter what the reason is for them doing it.
There may be different categories and sub groups that do things in a different order or different way, or whatever, but all of it is wrong period. Magic, witchcraft, potions, spells, energies, earth, sun, moon, stars, herbs, plants, chants, etc. Doesn't matter. If they are not calling on the name of Jesus in prayer, it's all wrong. That's all I need to know.

 

[SquareC]

God does

And how, then, is it known if the person killed is, in fact, an innocent? No one I know has a 'direct line' from God to have this knowledge!

Magic, witchcraft, potions, spells, energies, earth, sun, moon, stars, herbs, plants, chants, etc. Doesn't matter. If they are not calling on the name of Jesus in prayer, it's all wrong. That's all I need to know.

Earth? Sun? Moon? Stars? Herbs? Plants? These are wrong? I thought God created all these things? I can understand a Christian calling magic, witchcraft, potions, spells & chants wrong, even if I don't agree with it, but how can these things be wrong?

 

[Smilin]

I see a witch as someone who can sense natural & spiritual forces, is influenced by changes in surroundings, nature and season, and uses natural and spiritual resources to commune/interact with God (in my personal perspective singular/non-defining/omnipresent/omnifarious).

Sorry to keep you waiting over night. I leave here at 2:30 eastern time.

I will get back to you in a little bit on my definition of witchcraft. (students here)

No problem on the wait, work & home duties keep
me just as busy.

As far as what you term a witch, I simply term
a description of Native American theology.

 

[Smilin]

LOL! It doesn't matter exactly what they do in what order or the small details. I know that calling upon other spirits and playing around with the spirit realm outside of God is a sin and to be avoided, so the fact that they do that makes it wrong. It doesn't matter exactly what they chant, how many candles they light if they use candles etc. All I need to know is that they are calling on other spirits outside of God so that makes it wrong period. No matter what the reason is for them doing it.

And when spirits call on you?

 

[Smilin]

How can your god be the same as my God when you break so many of my God's commandments in your practice and form of worship?

Your God of the Bible, the God of Abraham,
the same God of the three predominant religions
of the world: Judaism, Islam, & Christianity...

How can the God of Abraham, the birth of three
religions with conflicting teachings and beliefs
be the same God?

 

[Smilin]

Well, I do what the Bible tells me to do and what I do is not defined as witchcraft.

WHERE does the Bible define witchcraft? It doesn't, does
it?

 

[Smilin]

That's referring to the spilling of innocent blood.

Thou shall not kill...refers only to the spilling of innocent
blood?

First: Prove that by your scriptures

Second: Define innocent blood.... (do children qualify?)

Third: How many children met the sword by the Israelite invaders in the Old Testament stories?

I can quote you numerous stories where the God of War
in the OT commanded ALL living things be given the
sword. That is considered genocide.

 

[ALW]

As far as what you term a witch, I simply term
a description of Native American theology.

Sounds about right to me. Different phrases from different roots from different sides of the ocean.

Do you have a definition for witch or witchcraft?

 

[ALW]

I know that calling upon other spirits and playing around with the spirit realm outside of God is a sin and to be avoided, so the fact that they do that makes it wrong.

So, do you then believe there are other spirits that are not God and not part of God? Were they not created by God?

I God as monistic, exsisting in everything, material or immaterial.

 

[paul becke]

I don't believe what you call Wicca would exist, if you couldn't make yourselves sound interesting by calling yourselves "witches". Why do you do so, when you are the first to claim that you would never harm someone? Could you harm anyone without ceasing to be a true wicca? Seemingly not. If you can't harm someone and you can't intercede with God for their benefit, what claim on a supernatural association would you have?

Are you aware that pagan religions were very keen on human sacrifice, and that their favourite victims tended to be women and children. I think, in Britain, women used to be fastened to a great wheel of branches, etc., and burnt alive. When a Viking chief died, an old crone, probably a real witch, stabbed a young virgin to death so that she could keep her lord company in the next life. I read an account of this happening when the Viking King of Russia died. Apparently, the young woman put up no resistance, but seemed to freeze with terror, when she realised she would be the victim.

As far as the Christian and Jewish religions are concerned, in the passage about the Witch of Endor's calling up the spirit of Samuel, in the Book of Kings, God left no doubt that he abominated even the resorting to mediums or witches.

I know that today, nevertheless, there must be many good people - I certainly know plenty (women at least) - who have sought consolation by getting into contact via a medium with a departed family member. It may even be that despite the abhorrence in which God holds witchcraft, in terms of the activities of mediums, some of them He will find to be his children, however sorely misled.

The thing is that the Christian Church has caused so much scandal and disaffection down the centuries, (as, seemingly, had the pillars of Christ's synagogue), doubtless many sins committed today will be forgiven, which would not have been forgiven in a pristine theocratic kind of society, such as the Judaism of Samuel's day. I would not include disregard for the basic needs and dignity of the poor among them, however, since, according to Christ's own description of the Last Judgment, it is the alpha and omega in terms of evidence of his own Love in our hearts.

 

[SquareC]

I don't believe what you call Wicca would exist, if you couldn't make yourselves sound interesting by calling yourselves "witches". Why do you do so, when you are the first to claim that you would never harm someone? Could you harm anyone without ceasing to be a true wicca? Seemingly not. If you can't harm someone and you can't intercede with God for their benefit, what claim on a supernatural association would you have?

Are you aware that pagan religions were very keen on human sacrifice, and that their favourite victims tended to be women and children. I think, in Britain, women used to be fastened to a great wheel of branches, etc., and burnt alive. When a Viking chief died, an old crone, probably a real witch, stabbed a young virgin to death so that she could keep her lord company in the next life. I read an account of this happening when the Viking King of Russia died. Apparently, the young woman put up no resistance, but seemed to freeze with terror, when she realised she would be the victim.

I am Wiccan. I am not a witch, although some of my friends are. I have followed my Lady and Lord for 17 years now, and I could care less how "interesting" people find my religious beliefs, I hold them for myself and my Lady and Lord, not anyone else. In fact, I seldom discuss religion IRL, I reserve that for the boards, where any confrontation cannot become physical. I have been assaulted for my beliefs in the past, by so-called "Christians." No, I could not harm someone and remain true to my beliefs. I can and have interceded with my Lady and Lord for myself and others. I have felt my prayers being heard and seen Her respond to them. I don't know if that is a claim for "supernatural association" I'm not sure what you mean by that, but I am a very spiritual person.

I am aware that some pagan religions were keen on human sacrifice. It is historical fact. I am confused as to which religion you are referring to, however...the ancient Britains were primarily Druidic. The ancient Vikings followed Odin and the pantheon of Gods and Goddesses below him. From the pagans' perspective, the witch-burnings in the Inquisition period could be seen as human sacrifice, however, and were responsible for far more lives lost. Innocent lives. Didn't that violate the whole "Thou shalt not kill" thing, there?

 

[ALW]

I don't believe what you call Wicca would exist, if you couldn't make yourselves sound interesting by calling yourselves "witches".

This is by far not speaking for anyone.
I think you can be right in some cases. I think there are people who take on the title "wiccan" because it sounds interesting or different without doing any true research or exploration of the religion.

Side note which has bee posted before: not all Wiccans are witches and not all witches are wiccan.

Why do you do so, when you are the first to claim that you would never harm someone? Could you harm anyone without ceasing to be a true wicca? Seemingly not. If you can't harm someone and you can't intercede with God for their benefit, what claim on a supernatural association would you have?

I think you need a Wiccan's response here. My take is probably off. Harming someone would break the Rede. Anything you do has consequences three fold. I don't know if that meens they would be ostrasised from the religion, especially since there are many solitary wiccans who have to answer to God, themselves and governmental law not a religious structure.
I think it's a matter of shouldn't and won't not can't when it comes to harm and interceding.

Personally, I don't claim any supernatural association. I claim no association that everyone else doesn't have in some form.

Are you aware that pagan religions were very keen on human sacrifice........

Yes, very aware. I have read about instances as horiffic as what you described and more. I don't condone them in anyway. I don't condone animal sacrifice either.

 

[paul becke]

Square C, yes, it was the druids. But they were all at it; the pagan religions.

I'm glad to hear you have been able to intercede succesfully for your friends, but am puzzled by your question concerning the supernatural. You say you are very spiritual. well, that is a supernatural facet of our nature, and prayer a "supernatural association or relationship" with the person or persons you pray to or believe you do.

Less than a mile from where I live, literally hundreds of innocent women were burnt at the stake as witches, on the say-so of old devils who called themselves Christians.

Not, I believe, that State executions in themselves are un-Christian. If that were so, the Good Thief would not have been inspired to say, "we at least are dying for our sins, but his man is innocent". Indeed, it is a cornerstone of our faith that death came into the world as a divine punishment, albeit in the knowledge on the part of God that he would save us through the birth, life, death and resurrection of his son.

As regards, capital punishment, it's not a matter of an eschatological judgment, but of protecting society. The biggest villains are white-collar, but their violence is more diffuse and less obvious. The executioner may (and I'm sure many will) be bound for Hell, and the executed person for Paradise, as was the Good Thief.

 

[Shekinahs]

http://www.amystickalgrove.com/dcforum/DCForumID43/17.html

Blessings to you for bringing up amystickalgrove.com My mentor contributes on that site

~ShekinahMoon~