Why do baptists think salvation is so easily attained?

[Whisper865]

Can someone please explain this to me.

 

[JM]

It's more of an Arminian Dispensationalist thing then a Baptist thing. Blame Charles Finney for his introduction of altar calls into tent meetings, the Arminian Methodists picked it up and Baptists followed their lead believing it 'worked.'

 

[grandma dolittle]

It's more of an Arminian Dispensationalist thing then a Baptist thing. Blame Charles Finney for his introduction of altar calls into tent meetings, the Arminian Methodists picked it up and Baptists followed their lead believing it 'worked.'

Baptist believe you can be saved anywhere... it is a personal thing between you and God... And, it is easy.. you kneel as a sign of submission to God, you tell him you know you are a sinner and ask his forgiveness for your sins. You acknowledge that Jesus is the Son of God , died for our sins, was raised again. if you are sincere and believe that God will forgive you...he will. You have to sincerely mean it. He will throw your sins as far as the east is from the west to remember them no more. That my friend, is forgiveness.

As far as the altar... it is a place where all members can go to pray while they are at church; where someone convicted by the Holy Spirit can kneel and meet God there.

And.... it does work. You will come up feeling like a ton is taken off you... I have prayed at that altar many times since I was saved. Every time I rise to my feet felling much better than before I knelt there.

 

[JM]

The only call that alters is a call from God. God uses all kinds of means but there is no method or formula to 'get'n folks saved.' (As IFB's so often say.)

 

[grandma dolittle]

no formula..just a sincere wish to repent. Anyplace, anytime, anywhere.

 

[mandelduke]

Can someone please explain this to me.

Because being saved is easier than falling off a turnip truck.

 

[SeventhValley]

Finney overall was a good thing for Baptists even if his theology was questionabile he was a presbyterian evangelist not a theologin. He was one of the first evangelists to be heavily involved in the movement to end slavery and was professor and later president of Oberlin college the first American colleges to co-educate blacks and women with white men. He loved God and God used him.

 

[grandma dolittle]

Because being saved is easier than falling off a turnip truck.

Amen! And it's free!!!!

 

[SeventhValley]

Becoming a follower of Christ is easy. Living like a Christian is extreamly hard.

 

[grandma dolittle]

Becoming a follower of Christ is easy. Living like a Christian is extreamly hard.

That is because Satan throws all kinds of temptations your way. He only does that because you belong to Christ and he wants to take you from him. Thank God for Satan... he will keep you talking to God and keep you close to him.

Although, personally I wish Satan would go on a vacation and let me rest!

 

[Whisper865]

I should have been more specific... I understand the simplicity in Christ...What happens to those who choose not to adhere to the fathers correction? In my personal walk, I was unable to enter into His rest until I had been bruised, beaten, and broken into His submission... When I fall into diverse temptations and do not immediately repent, I fall out of the rest and back into the furnace I go! This is how I see God's correction in my life. Please elaborate on these issues ^^^ Do you think people who choose not to adhere to the father correction will see heaven? This can be because they choose to ignore the Father's correction or because of lack of knowledge. ((They do not know the suffering Satan is permitted to inflict on us is meant to establish the fear of God in us ))

 

[grandma dolittle]

As God cannot look upon sin, there will be no sin in heaven.... If a person decided to ignore the Father's correction, they will fall deeper into sin, so how can they go to heaven??

I think of myself as a gold nugget full of impurities. God puts me in the fire every so often to burn out the impurities so I will be pure gold. I am not what he want me to be yet, not pure, so every so often I get put back in the furnace.

As my Dad used to say when he spanked me, "this hurts me more than it does you". I know that every time I am stuck back in the fire, it hurts my Father.

 

[JM]

Unless you created that chart you need to site a source. I would also like to see how Finney fits into that chart, if its just conjecture on your part or if there has been evidence that Finney was indeed 'good' for the church.

 

[Eric Hibbert]

Baptist believe you can be saved anywhere... it is a personal thing between you and God... And, it is easy.. you kneel as a sign of submission to God, you tell him you know you are a sinner and ask his forgiveness for your sins. You acknowledge that Jesus is the Son of God , died for our sins, was raised again. if you are sincere and believe that God will forgive you...he will. You have to sincerely mean it. He will throw your sins as far as the east is from the west to remember them no more. That my friend, is forgiveness.

As far as the altar... it is a place where all members can go to pray while they are at church; where someone convicted by the Holy Spirit can kneel and meet God there.

And.... it does work. You will come up feeling like a ton is taken off you... I have prayed at that altar many times since I was saved. Every time I rise to my feet felling much better than before I knelt there.

That sounds very Finney-esque.

 

[Frenchfrye]

Can someone please explain this to me.

it is easy as long as you obey God which isn't hard if you actually want too.

 

[Hentenza]

Finney overall was a good thing for Baptists even if his theology was questionabile he was a presbyterian evangelist not a theologin. He was one of the first evangelists to be heavily involved in the movement to end slavery and was professor and later president of Oberlin college the first American colleges to co-educate blacks and women with white men. He loved God and God used him.

Did the data for the chart come from the Barrett report?

 

[JM]

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The Barrett Report is a 400 page report created by special prosecutor David Barrett. Initially tasked with investigating allegations of lying to the FBI against Henry Cisneros, Secretary of the U.S Department of Housing and Urban Development under U.S. President Bill Clinton, the investigation eventually delved into allegations that President Clinton had used the U.S. Department of Justice and the Internal Revenue Service as political tools against American citizens.[1]
Before the release of the report, three Democrat U.S. Senators, John Kerry, Dick Durbin and Byron Dorgan, forced the redaction of certain pages by attaching a rider to an unrelated appropriations bill.[2]
Cisneros, a former San Antonio mayor, eventually pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of lying to the FBI. He paid a US$10,000 fine and was pardoned by President Clinton on Clinton's final day in office.[3]

 

[Hentenza]

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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The Barrett Report is a 400 page report created by special prosecutor David Barrett. Initially tasked with investigating allegations of lying to the FBI against Henry Cisneros, Secretary of the U.S Department of Housing and Urban Development under U.S. President Bill Clinton, the investigation eventually delved into allegations that President Clinton had used the U.S. Department of Justice and the Internal Revenue Service as political tools against American citizens.[1]
Before the release of the report, three Democrat U.S. Senators, John Kerry, Dick Durbin and Byron Dorgan, forced the redaction of certain pages by attaching a rider to an unrelated appropriations bill.[2]
Cisneros, a former San Antonio mayor, eventually pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of lying to the FBI. He paid a US$10,000 fine and was pardoned by President Clinton on Clinton's final day in office.[3]

lol I don't know if that is the same David Barrett. Check this link out.

 

[JM]

lol I don't know if that is the same David Barrett. Check this link out.

That's more like it. Thank you.

 

[JM]

A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing: How Charles Finney's Theology Ravaged the Evangelical Movement

Charles Grandison Finney was a heretic. That language is not too strong. Though he excelled at cloaking his opinions in ambiguous language and biblical-sounding expressions, his views were almost pure Pelagianism. The arguments he employed to sustain those views were nearly always rationalistic and philosophical, not biblical. To canonize this man as an evangelical hero is to ignore the facts of what he stood for.

Don't be duped by sanitized 20th-century editions of Finney's works. Read the "Complete and Newly Expanded" 1878 edition of Finney's Systematic Theology, recently published by Bethany house Publishers (the unabridged 1878 version with a couple of Finney's later lectures added). This volume shows the real character of Finney's doctrine. (The unabridged 1851 version is now online, and it also exposes Finney's errors in language not toned down by later redactors.) By no stretch of the imagination does Finney deserve to be regarded as an evangelical. By corrupting the doctrine of justification by faith; by denying the doctrines of original sin and total depravity; by minimizing the sovereignty of God while enthroning the power of the human will; and above all, by undermining the doctrine of substitutionary atonement, Finney filled the bloodstream of American evangelicalism with poisons that have kept the movement maimed even to this day.