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Why do baptists think salvation is so easily attained?

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So if you don't believe in the immortality of the soul you are implying one is not Christian? That's judging!

A spirit of pharisaism has been coming upon many Christian denominations who claim to believe the gospel. They are self-satisfied. They have said,"We have the truth. There is no more light for us! We know it all."

If anyone is interested in exploring the Bible then go to http://www.christianforums.com/t7728132/

We are living in the last days and we are told to test, which is another word for judging, the spirits. Saying that is judging is ducking the issue. And, Christians don't duck any issues. And, real Christians don't hestitate to call foul when the ball is outside the lines.

1 JOHN

4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they
are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the
world.

4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that
Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the
flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye
have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the
world.

4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because
greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the
world heareth them.

4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth
 
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We do not take the created messiah out of the equation. He is extremely important to our salvation. But faith without works is dead.

Faith is evidenced by works but works do not evidence faith. Figure this one out. Even athiests do good works. Do you know what he difference is?
 
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Col1:13JESUS=For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,
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Col 1:14in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
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Col 1:15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
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Col 1:16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.
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Col 1:17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
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Col 1:18He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.
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Col 1:19For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him,
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Col 1:20and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.
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Col 1:21And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds,
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Col 1:22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach—
 
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Col1:13JESUS=For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,
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Col 1:14in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
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Col 1:15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
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Col 1:16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.
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Col 1:17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
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Col 1:18He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.
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Col 1:19For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him,
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Col 1:20and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.
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Col 1:21And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds,
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Col 1:22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach—

Don't forget Hebrews 1:3.:)
 
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Hello, complete newbie to the forums but figured I'd jump right in the deep end :)


Seems that 2 things have been left out of the conversation here.


First is the Holy Spirit. Once a person comes to saving faith in Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit comes to dwell within them. Can we then ever lose faith in Jesus once the helper is with us, increasing our faith and convicting us when we sin? Can we kick the Holy Spirit out of our lives? Haven't found any scriptural proof of that.


The second is this scripture:

John 10:27-30

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”



If we believe in Christ, He's given us eternal life and nothing can take us out of His hand (I would even argue we ourselves cannot take ourself out of His hand).


The Baptist belief I've grown up with is "once saved, always saved" not "once saved, always saved...IF"
 
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Salvation is truly the work of God and not a matter of our own work, although with salvation obedience with our work will show it, And God gives eternal life according to his knowing everything and he is never mistaken. Saying that we are once saved always saved as long as our faith remains in Christ is combining passages for it in a synthesis, which must only be done with great care to preserve truth that is taught. We are indeed saved according to our faith, that is from scriptural passages, it is the work of Yahweh God and it is his grace, that is from scriptural passages, but there is not suggestion that it is those with saving faith that would turn from the faith, that is only read into the scriptures.
 
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Because according to Baptists you can get saved and do whatever you want do from there and never lose your salvation. We as Mormons believe that is not the case.

We will never lose our salvation. Nothing can remove me from the hand of God. Nothing. Part of what you say is right tho. I am saved and do what I want....

I want to serve him. Because that is what you do if you are truly saved. Every hour, every day. My works are not a part of my salvation...they are very much what my salvation brought forth.
 
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Salvation is truly the work of God and not a matter of our own work, although with salvation obedience with our work will show it, And God gives eternal life according to his knowing everything and he is never mistaken. Saying that we are once saved always saved as long as our faith remains in Christ is combining passages for it in a synthesis, which must only be done with great care to preserve truth that is taught. We are indeed saved according to our faith, that is from scriptural passages, it is the work of Yahweh God and it is his grace, that is from scriptural passages, but there is not suggestion that it is those with saving faith that would turn from the faith, that is only read into the scriptures.

How can one lose something he never possessed? I really think many seek God to satisfy their own hearts desire. I believe with all of my heart these have no clue that's what their doing... (Food for thought)

^Example^ A church can be found on every street corner God's appointed cannot.

I am not sure what you are saying. I can say these things, if it is about the reference in Hebrews 6 about those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, it is not saying of them that they actually came to faith. Better understanding of this is with seeing the whole context around that reference:

First, the inspired writer writes "leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment." There are the more mature things to pursue to be written for believers, these elementary things are basic for those just coming to Christ. Those once enlightened, then, may come to having these revealed to them. No coming to the essential faith necessarily there. Remember the Holy Spirit came upon certain individuals named in the old testament, we cannot honestly say every one of them was saved. The Spirit of God comes to reveal things to individuals before they come to salvation in Christ, but not every one comes to Christ from that, many are resistant, and may just passively look into it.

Right after speaking about those of verses 4, 5, and 6, the inspired writer wrote " But, beloved, we are confident of better things concerning you, yes, things that accompany salvation, though we speak in this manner. For God is not unjust to forget your work and labor of love which you have shown toward His name, in that you have ministered to the saints, and do minister. And we desire that each one of you show the same diligence to the full assurance of hope until the end, that you do not become sluggish, but imitate those who through faith and patience inherit the promises." The believers are addressed directly as distinct from any who might associate with them who would depart from trusting Christ, the context of the book showing such at that time to be those, being already Jewish, trusting their works in the Law in preference to the work of Christ in which there is salvation according to faith in Christ through the grace of God.

I apologize if this addresses what you did not mean, but it may answer others who do not understand this.

Concerning the rest posted that was not fully clear to me, I can say this which might relate to that, those who are not true believers in Christ, whether they profess to be or are against it, are generally seeking on some level. There is an emptiness present, and it is filled with coming to Yahweh God in relationship made available through Christ. Many try filling the emptiness with other things. I believe God is gracious to those who honestly seek him, up to when they might come to Christ when the revelation for that comes to them, graciousness may be removed when any harden themselves to that at that point. There are indeed many churches and there would be some of them anyway having few who truly follow Christ among them.
 
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