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No, they wouldn't have killed you because of that. The bible was interpreted wrong after Jesus was sacrificed. Joshua, Moses, etc.. were around before then. Joshua worked directly with Jesus. Jesus was for compassion. The Roman empire turned him into what people today believe is bad, but he was the opposite. His words were interpreted wrong by Paul, who everyone is worshipping this day, instead of the true teachings. It has created a major, major problem because it wasn't misinterpreted by just a few words, instead it was misinterpreted where only a few words would not be completely contradicted to what Jesus wanted.

Yes they would have killed me.... I am bisexual, I am not straight. The bible has multiple scriptures that condone the killing of sexual deviants. Whether it be Yahwehs command to kill men that sleep together, or whether it be yawhehs command to burn daughters a live who shame their father the priest by having sex. Paul also said in Romans 1.9 that I and others do not deserve to live. Even apart from the sex.. there were tons of ways to die according to old testament laws. Things I do every day.

I would not have survived the old testament and neither would my family.
 
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Then you still believed in a God, you just didn't like your God. That's not a lack of belief, that's just rebellion. The very question of "why believe in him when...? " is the key phrase.



To study people like you. To understand what makes a person believe in something for which there is no evidence but then run the rest of their life contrary to their religious ideas.

You wouldn't want to be put on trial based on religious principles would you? You would surely demand that only the facts of the case were presented and considered...

And yet, in so many other important things, people of religion use a totally different set of logical rules.

I stopped believing for a while. Went cold turkey. How ever you want to call it. I was sure there was no God. I was just justifying everything with science. But hey, if that's what you want to think, go ahead.
Explain what a humanist is, please.
 
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I stopped believing for a while. Went cold turkey. How ever you want to call it. I was sure there was no God. I was just justifying everything with science. But hey, if that's what you want to think, go ahead.
I just don't understand how someone can flip flop back and forth.. A single change, in either direction, I could understand even though I may not agree with it... but flip flopping is something different.. it hints not at intellectual reasoning but of indecision..
But I guess that might not apply to all.. just my take on it.

Explain what a humanist is, please.
I have no idea :scratch: The website forced me to label myself.. I know I'm a human so it sounded good at the time when I signed up. Seems that religious folks like to label others in order to classify them or something. The word "atheist" is a religious label itself that was created by Christians as an insult to those who were non-believers. I don't consider myself an atheist.. or a humanist, or any other label like that even though I could be described as a "non-believer in any god or religion"
 
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Yes, but see, much the same complaint can be made about creation-science people and the whole Bible Belt way of thinking. Look at all the hateful comments, right on this site, that these guys make about fellow Christians who dare question theirfundamentalist ideology. So, really persons on both sides are guilty of intolerance.

Fair enough, and I tend to agree. However the forum is about the Atheist end of it, part of the reason for this thread is that I think those who believe in God who show signs of hate or do something extreme get the lion's share of the criticism when compared to non believers who do the same. It's assumed that believers will be the hypocritical ones, and atheist will be the logical ones. This stigma is hurting various religions like Christianity a great deal because there are those who don't acknowledge that hate and hypocrisy are not liberal, conservative, religious, or traits of atheist, they're human traits. So more or less you're right, but I want to know about the Atheist end of it.

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Umm.. how do I put this politely.. The definition of religion is a belief in God. That's like saying "I'm not a human but I am a man".. Its a ridiculous statement.

I'm not sure, but I'd say opening the line with sarcasm is not the way to go about being polite. I don't think it was your intention to be polite though, ohh well.

Anyway, the definition of religion is also stated as...

"an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods"

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion

It seems to me a commonly used form of the word as well, did you not know this? The perception is that believers are supposed to be the uneducated ones. Back and forth sarcasm aside (hopefully far to the side) Is it possible to believe in God and have your own independent thought's and beliefs outside religion? Sure it is, happens all the time.

Here you said....

In the context of this discussion, that would be correct. Children should not be taught things that have no basis in truth or evidence.

It may not be important or true to you or perhaps other non-believers, but teaching God is teaching the truth in the eyes of many and I think that should be respected as a part of our culture. For informational purposes, the Youtube video I mentioned was about whether or not adults, in general, should teach creationism to kids, not necessarily just regarding school, it was being portrayed as a bad thing for young minds. As far as school goes I think it should be up to the discretion of the school whether or not they have a class on religion or God, in the cases where a school does have a class like this it can be kept optional if some feel it intrudes on what they already believe, excluding it completely from every school because some don't like it or think its phony is not fair to those who feel differently.

God can be very educational actually and give people tools they need in life. I'm not Christian but a lot of the Bible has historically accurate references and much of it has life lessons that could be applicable whether or not you believe, the Bible has stuck around for 1000's of years for a reason. I don't agree with all of it but it's a big part of our society and should be considered, this is how my Jr. Highschool worked, and it worked out fine. The alternative to the Christian class was an arts and crafts class, I did arts and crafts because I found them more interesting than religion as a young teen. I never felt the Christian class was being forced, or that opinions were being pushed down my throat.

The thing about some Athiest that I notice is that the sheer mention of God or religion can set some of them off, and sometimes it's little things. For some it's not about preventing religion or God from being pushed, it's about preventing it from being present at all outside of a church. For the non-believers who happen to be doing this, I view it as discriminatory. Again, not all Athiest or Agnostics do this, but I've seen it a good bit.

DeanW

I believe the main reason non-believers hate religion is because of trauma from their past.
Religion in the west has long been an abuser of hurting innocent people, it has hounded, harassed and abused helpless and
needy people who just want to be left alone.

Thanks for the reply without the sarcasm and actually addressing the question, I feel something is missing from what you said but you addressed it head on. If I could add a thought, I think most of what you said is true, I was agnostic for a good while due to so many different things, including violence and hypocrisy, but the bigger picture is interesting. Some of those who are religious have done bad things, but it doesn't come without Atheist, or non-believers doing some bad things. Some people don't care to treat others fairly, I find that to be a sad thing but intolerance and hate knows no political, racial, or religious bounds.

I referenced Joseph Stalin in a reply here, he was a General Secretary of the communist party in the Soviet Union, a very powerful leader who led Russians to murder nearly 10 million people, making him arguably worse than Hitler. He was atheist and would often intentionally target churches, and this is not the only example of Atheist aggression, far from it. Do I think that violence is what defines Atheism? No, I just don't feel violence or abuse is exclusive to those who believe in God. Actually, for the most part, I believe the opposite happens. Believers often find piece of mind, or contribute more because the beliefs they have give them strength.


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There was a time in my life when I did not believe in God. I had the "why believe in him when good people suffer-- kids die with out a chance of life", mentality. I did not necessarily hate God. I was angry though. Angry to witness constant pain and suffering from those who I thought Deserved nothing BUT justice, fairness, love, compassion, a happy life.
I'm sure there are endless reasons why a person will tell you they don't believe in His existence. One cannot judge for why that happens. My hope is that all of us in Christian Forums are here for one similar reason, which is to explore the possibility of God, His word. Or why else are you all here then?

Right? It is Christianforums after all, it's a very welcoming website, as Christianity should be, but I still find it perplexing that there's a relatively small group who hang out here who primarily have ugly or sarcastic things to say in regards to Christianity. I think some are here because they want Christians to know what they think about them, the sad truth is that many feel Christians are stupid and bakwards and they want you to hear it. You have many reasonable skeptics out threre for sure, but there's also the group who are as hypocritical as what they accuse some Christians of being. (very little acceptance, lots of judging, lots of sarcasm, and a lot of baiting.)

I understand where you're coming from on how you felt about God, I struggle with something similar. I believe in God but have concerns in regards to some of Christianity. I'm definitely not on a mission to attack it like some are because I believe the majority of it is very beautiful and encouraging, but much like you're describing from your past, the idea of suffering is what keeps me away. In my case it's the issue of eternal suffering, there are a couple other things as well from a scientific standpoint, but that's the big one.
 
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I was recently on Youtube leaving a reply to a video which suggested teaching creationism is bad for children. I'm not religious, but I do believe in God. I had said that nothing should be forced on a child, including evolution. I've always found freedom of thought to be important but I was respectful when I left the comment.

I soon got some ugly comments for the message I had left, I also notice this with others as well, a very harsh attitude for those who believe. I see this in the media with celebrities such as Bill Maher too, it seems pretty common.

Atheist say that they can't hate what they don't believe, but I know many of them do. Many people don't believe in God anymore these days so they seem to have the upper hand already, it makes it hard to understand. I've always had a problem understanding those who are not okay with others having beliefs that are different. Any ideas, or thoughts?
I don't have a problem with God, since I'm not a believer, but I do have a problem with many religious people (from more faiths than Christianity by the way) when they cause harm. Being too fundamental in your religion can cause you to support things that are actually harmful.

Banning the teaching of critical thinking in schools. Impeding the distribution of condoms in Africa. Shutting down Planned Parenthood clinics. Stopping comprehensive sex education in schools. Denying rights to the LGBT community. And yes, stopping the teaching of evolution because it conflicts with their faith. Just to name a few.

These are all things that have been done and continue to persist as a result of fervent religious belief. I don't have a problem with people who are religious unless they impose their worldview on the rest of us to our collective harm. It isn't the act of having a different belief that is the problem, it is the way that belief molds social and political and educational policy that is. There's no way to argue that these things I mentioned are problems while the person promoting them holds to a fervent religious belief that God wants it to be that way. So people argue against the existence of God in places such as this to combat the evils of the overly-zealous. If the religious people of the world were incapable of affecting so much change, I doubt many atheists would care enough to bring it up in even casual conversation.
 
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Thanks for the reply without the sarcasm and actually addressing the question, I feel something is missing from what you said but you addressed it head on. If I could add a thought, I think most of what you said is true, I was agnostic for a good while due to so many different things, including violence and hypocrisy, but the bigger picture is interesting. Some of those who are religious have done bad things, but it doesn't come without Atheist, or non-believers doing some bad things. Some people don't care to treat others fairly, I find that to be a sad thing but intolerance and hate knows no political, racial, or religious bounds.

I referenced Joseph Stalin in a reply here, he was a General Secretary of the communist party in the Soviet Union, a very powerful leader who led Russians to murder nearly 10 million people, making him arguably worse than Hitler. He was atheist and would often intentionally target churches, and this is not the only example of Atheist aggression, far from it. Do I think that violence is what defines Atheism? No, I just don't feel violence or abuse is exclusive to those who believe in God. Actually, for the most part, I believe the opposite happens. Believers often find piece of mind, or contribute more because the beliefs they have give them strength.

Well an atheist who does bad things does so for personal individual reasons, when a religious person reads their foundational religious text and this text teaches them that women can't do this, gay people can't do this, men have to be in charge, non-believers are evil and should be resented, or punished or killed, then religion is a source of evil in our world. Atheists aren't a separate group of their own..... theirs religious people and then there's everyone else. When a person leaves religion and become an atheist, they aren't switching groups, they are just going back to not having a group. Because atheism has no creed or reason or story or standard or text that guides it.

I am aware that non-religious people do bad things too, but if someone hurts me because their religion taught them too, it doesn't matter that other people hurt me too... I'm still going to hate them if they don't stop. That they aren't the only people who do it doesn't mean I shouldn't hate it.

But I wasn't trying to prove that religious people are all or most evil.... I was just saying that's why we hate religion. Because these religions hurt people, a lot. It's written into their texts.

There religious texts has stories of people just like me being murdered and says I will be tortured one day, so it is inevitable that I will hate their ideas and eventually resent them if they don't leave me alone... but their text also says to keep going into the world and making disciples and to be a light on a hill... so they do not leave me alone.
 
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Fair enough, and I tend to agree. However the forum is about the Atheist end of it, part of the reason for this thread is that I think those who believe in God who show signs of hate or do something extreme get the lion's share of the criticism when compared to non believers who do the same. It's assumed that believers will be the hypocritical ones, and atheist will be the logical ones. This stigma is hurting various religions like Christianity a great deal because there are those who don't acknowledge that hate and hypocrisy are not liberal, conservative, religious, or traits of atheist, they're human traits. So more or less you're right, but I want to know about the Atheist end of it.

Murby



I'm not sure, but I'd say opening the line with sarcasm is not the way to go about being polite. I don't think it was your intention to be polite though, ohh well.

Anyway, the definition of religion is also stated as...

"an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods"

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion

It seems to me a commonly used form of the word as well, did you not know this? The perception is that believers are supposed to be the uneducated ones. Back and forth sarcasm aside (hopefully far to the side) Is it possible to believe in God and have your own independent thought's and beliefs outside religion? Sure it is, happens all the time.

Here you said....



It may not be important or true to you or perhaps other non-believers, but teaching God is teaching the truth in the eyes of many and I think that should be respected as a part of our culture. For informational purposes, the Youtube video I mentioned was about whether or not adults, in general, should teach creationism to kids, not necessarily just regarding school, it was being portrayed as a bad thing for young minds. As far as school goes I think it should be up to the discretion of the school whether or not they have a class on religion or God, in the cases where a school does have a class like this it can be kept optional if some feel it intrudes on what they already believe, excluding it completely from every school because some don't like it or think its phony is not fair to those who feel differently.

God can be very educational actually and give people tools they need in life. I'm not Christian but a lot of the Bible has historically accurate references and much of it has life lessons that could be applicable whether or not you believe, the Bible has stuck around for 1000's of years for a reason. I don't agree with all of it but it's a big part of our society and should be considered, this is how my Jr. Highschool worked, and it worked out fine. The alternative to the Christian class was an arts and crafts class, I did arts and crafts because I found them more interesting than religion as a young teen. I never felt the Christian class was being forced, or that opinions were being pushed down my throat.

The thing about some Athiest that I notice is that the sheer mention of God or religion can set some of them off, and sometimes it's little things. For some it's not about preventing religion or God from being pushed, it's about preventing it from being present at all outside of a church. For the non-believers who happen to be doing this, I view it as discriminatory. Again, not all Athiest or Agnostics do this, but I've seen it a good bit.

DeanW



Thanks for the reply without the sarcasm and actually addressing the question, I feel something is missing from what you said but you addressed it head on. If I could add a thought, I think most of what you said is true, I was agnostic for a good while due to so many different things, including violence and hypocrisy, but the bigger picture is interesting. Some of those who are religious have done bad things, but it doesn't come without Atheist, or non-believers doing some bad things. Some people don't care to treat others fairly, I find that to be a sad thing but intolerance and hate knows no political, racial, or religious bounds.

I referenced Joseph Stalin in a reply here, he was a General Secretary of the communist party in the Soviet Union, a very powerful leader who led Russians to murder nearly 10 million people, making him arguably worse than Hitler. He was atheist and would often intentionally target churches, and this is not the only example of Atheist aggression, far from it. Do I think that violence is what defines Atheism? No, I just don't feel violence or abuse is exclusive to those who believe in God. Actually, for the most part, I believe the opposite happens. Believers often find piece of mind, or contribute more because the beliefs they have give them strength.


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Right? It is Christianforums after all, it's a very welcoming website, as Christianity should be, but I still find it perplexing that there's a relatively small group who hang out here who primarily have ugly or sarcastic things to say in regards to Christianity. I think some are here because they want Christians to know what they think about them, the sad truth is that many feel Christians are stupid and bakwards and they want you to hear it. You have many reasonable skeptics out threre for sure, but there's also the group who are as hypocritical as what they accuse some Christians of being. (very little acceptance, lots of judging, lots of sarcasm, and a lot of baiting.)

I understand where you're coming from on how you felt about God, I struggle with something similar. I believe in God but have concerns in regards to some of Christianity. I'm definitely not on a mission to attack it like some are because I believe the majority of it is very beautiful and encouraging, but much like you're describing from your past, the idea of suffering is what keeps me away. In my case it's the issue of eternal suffering, there are a couple other things as well from a scientific standpoint, but that's the big one.
There is no doubt there has been great cruelty on both sides. Consider the Inquisition, for example. Consider the fact that Luther wrote a book titled "The Jews and Their Lies," in which he recommended a policy very close to what Hitler carried out. Ideally, religions should bring about peace of mind, but in reality, it doesn't always work out that way.
 
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The only thing I have seen atheists " hate " as far as God, is other people's ideas about God

How can you truly hate what you cannot truly comprehend ?

That's nonsensical and deserves nothing more than a few laughs


How can you love something you cannot comprehend?
 
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How can you love something you cannot comprehend?

That's a great question

I guess we'll find out when Jesus shows up and we see how he's treated by all those people who say they " love Jesus "

Until that happens, I would say that people can only have faith that the Bible is true in some capacity
 
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I was recently on Youtube leaving a reply to a video which suggested teaching creationism is bad for children. I'm not religious, but I do believe in God. I had said that nothing should be forced on a child, including evolution. I've always found freedom of thought to be important but I was respectful when I left the comment.

I soon got some ugly comments for the message I had left, I also notice this with others as well, a very harsh attitude for those who believe. I see this in the media with celebrities such as Bill Maher too, it seems pretty common.

Atheist say that they can't hate what they don't believe, but I know many of them do. Many people don't believe in God anymore these days so they seem to have the upper hand already, it makes it hard to understand. I've always had a problem understanding those who are not okay with others having beliefs that are different. Any ideas, or thoughts?

Maybe they're concerned such and such beliefs are harmful to expose to children?

As far as hating God, I don't hate something I lack a belief in. Although if there is a God.. well I'd have my reasons. Lol.

But on this forum I don't think its safe to elaborate on. Let's just say Christianity and the idea of a God in general really messed up my mind growing up, something I still haven't fully recovered from.
 
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The only thing I have seen atheists " hate " as far as God, is other people's ideas about God

How can you truly hate what you cannot truly comprehend ?

That's nonsensical and deserves nothing more than a few laughs

Nailed it. Please don't confuse hating a religion for hating the beings that religion proposes. I don't hate god. I hate the religious doctrines that cause people to deny equal rights to gay people. I hate the religious doctrines that lead to women gleefully rejecting any semblance of independence and instead giving their lives over to their husbands and accepting any abuse or indignity thrown at them. I hate the religious doctrines that claim that I am somehow worthy of eternal punishment because I won't kowtow to a belief system. I hate the religious doctrines that teach us that we are fundamentally broken and sinful and wrong and that every basic human action is associated with a moral failing on our part - as if it's somehow wrong to enjoy sex, as if it's somehow wrong to explore your own body, as if it's somehow wrong to love whoever you want to love. I hate the religious doctrines that lead to people denying modern medical science, be it Jehovah's Witnesses who would rather die than get a blood transfusion, or the great number of people who still can't figure out that "gender identity" is actually a physiological characteristic of the brain.

But I don't hate God. If I believed he existed, I might hate him for creating a world that's so messed up and spreading so much misinformation within it, but I don't believe he exists, and it's pretty hard to hate something you don't believe is real.
 
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Nailed it. Please don't confuse hating a religion for hating the beings that religion proposes. I don't hate god. I hate the religious doctrines that cause people to deny equal rights to gay people. I hate the religious doctrines that lead to women gleefully rejecting any semblance of independence and instead giving their lives over to their husbands and accepting any abuse or indignity thrown at them. I hate the religious doctrines that claim that I am somehow worthy of eternal punishment because I won't kowtow to a belief system. I hate the religious doctrines that teach us that we are fundamentally broken and sinful and wrong and that every basic human action is associated with a moral failing on our part - as if it's somehow wrong to enjoy sex, as if it's somehow wrong to explore your own body, as if it's somehow wrong to love whoever you want to love. I hate the religious doctrines that lead to people denying modern medical science, be it Jehovah's Witnesses who would rather die than get a blood transfusion, or the great number of people who still can't figure out that "gender identity" is actually a physiological characteristic of the brain.

But I don't hate God. If I believed he existed, I might hate him for creating a world that's so messed up and spreading so much misinformation within it, but I don't believe he exists, and it's pretty hard to hate something you don't believe is real.

I think you nailed it yourself! There are undoubtedly things contained within the Scriptures that people will vehemently disagree with. Or hate as you put it.

One thing that drives me nuts about humans in general is our ability to take OUR own desires and then use Scripture to justify it. Even when scrpture does,not. That really harms the truth of the word. Your example about women is spot on point and also makes,mine. The bible does not teach that women should subjugate themselves and suffer abuse. That's patently false. But some will take a verse or two out of context and use it to justify wicked behavior. Drives me nuts! For the reasons you mention. It makes real Christianity look bad.

One of the other points you make is also spot on and something I have been saying a long time. The truth of the gospel is offensive. Most people do not see themselves or want to see themselves,as fallen people. People do not inherently believe they are sinful, fallen, wrong and in need,to a saviour. Jesus himself said he is a stumbling block and a,rock,of offense. Paul said the preaching of the cross is foolishness to the unbelieving. It's inherent in most all of us to believe we are good people. We are are not out to harm anyone. We just want to live out lives and be left alone without someone telling us we really are bad. It's offensive.

I really think that's the crux of the whole issue. God says we are bad we say we are not. Therefore we reject God and use all kinds of justifications as to why that's ok incuding pointing out things that people have done in the name of God or religion. While at the same,time ignoring the fact that they were acting in complete disobedience to the God they claimed to be using. But bottom line is humans want to be The decider if their own destiny. We want to be captains if our own souls. And how dare anyone call us bad.

But the truth is If we hate the gospel then we do hate God, for he is The author if this offensive system.





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I think it needs to be brought up again that amid a swirling mixture of all the different religion's hateful ideas (murder, rape, torture)... the concern is placed on the non-believers anger.

This is similar to asking why black people get so angry when the KKK come to town? I mean, can't black people be well mannered? Being well mannered is good and really easy. Everyone deserves respect (sarcasm).

This is almost exactly like Martin Luther Kings letter from the Birmingham Jail. He said that yes the riots were unfortunate but that the white people were less concerned with the HORRIBLE events that made these riots necessary than the riots them selves. Religious people will harass, attack, prevent and oppress non-believers all day and when the non-believer gets mad and starts screaming profanities they accuse the non-believer of being disrespectful or rude or uncivilized.
 
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They hate for a few reasons; 1. They don't have the spirit of God. See to man we judge things based on our standards, but to God anyone who denies Him is evil and they are a child of the devil.
2. They want to live in sin and the bible says that the wicked hate the light for fear of their sins being exposed. Sad thing is they have Jesus and He is strong enough to forgive them and wash them white as snow...
3. They are living with a rebellious spirit / antichrist spirit.
 
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The bible does not teach that women should subjugate themselves and suffer abuse. That's patently false. But some will take a verse or two out of context and use it to justify wicked behavior.
Remind me what the bible admits as grounds for divorce?
 
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God specifically told Eve that she would serve Adam from now on and submit to him and that all women would be under men.

That is exactly the reason Paul used when he described why women should not lead a man. He referenced the story of Adam and Eve and said women proved their incompetence in the garden.
 
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Nailed it. Please don't confuse hating a religion for hating the beings that religion proposes. I don't hate god. I hate the religious doctrines that cause people to deny equal rights to gay people. I hate the religious doctrines that lead to women gleefully rejecting any semblance of independence and instead giving their lives over to their husbands and accepting any abuse or indignity thrown at them. I hate the religious doctrines that claim that I am somehow worthy of eternal punishment because I won't kowtow to a belief system. I hate the religious doctrines that teach us that we are fundamentally broken and sinful and wrong and that every basic human action is associated with a moral failing on our part - as if it's somehow wrong to enjoy sex, as if it's somehow wrong to explore your own body, as if it's somehow wrong to love whoever you want to love. I hate the religious doctrines that lead to people denying modern medical science, be it Jehovah's Witnesses who would rather die than get a blood transfusion, or the great number of people who still can't figure out that "gender identity" is actually a physiological characteristic of the brain.

But I don't hate God. If I believed he existed, I might hate him for creating a world that's so messed up and spreading so much misinformation within it, but I don't believe he exists, and it's pretty hard to hate something you don't believe is real.

You're looking at it through mans eyes, you need to see through Gods eyes. The bible says that the things of God are foolish to those that don't believe.

The bible is clear on those things; God made one man and one woman to be together in marriage (not two men or two women). There is also a divine order in the marriage it's God 1st, then the husband, then the wife, and then the children. It's there for a reason because eve sinned first. Trust me our flesh don't want to give our husbands the right to be our lord but our spirit knows it's Gods will.

Unfortunately there are only two places to go; heaven or hell. Heaven is free to them that believe of course it wasn't free for Jesus He paid the cost just so that we didn't have to be bound by the law which is death but we can be alive forevermore.

Sex isn't wrong it's a God given right for us to enjoy it but only in a loving committed relationship between a husband and his wife.

Gender identity disorder is a made up term for those who choose to live in sin and rebel against God. I used to be bisexual I was more so attracted to women which almost made me a full blown lesbian. I felt like I wanted to dress like, act like, and basically be a man. I used every excuse I could muster up to live that way. There is a way that seems right but in the end it's death. In the end I made a choice and I chose God. I stopped being gay I stopped living a fantasy and now I'm happily married to a man. Yes temptations come but the key is knowing who one is in Christ - dead to sin, sin cannot reign in me it has no place.

Aww but you do believe and in fact you do hate him, how do I know? Simple;
King James Bible
Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

You hate Him because again the ways of God are foolish to those who don't believe. You don't like being told right and wrong and neither do I, who does? But I love the saviour enough to live this way. He doesn't warn us of things to steal our joy. The devil comes to steal , kill, and destroy but Jesus comes so that we may have life and live it abundantly. God warns us about things because He loves us even the unsaved, He warned us of homosexuality because it leads to death and it's not the way He intended. He warned us women to be submitted to our husbands because again eve sinned first, now husbands should love their wives like Christ loves the church (he should never abuse his wife period). The list goes on...

I mean all this not to hurt you or anyone else... but we must look to ourselves and see if we have a rebellious spirit. A rebellious spirit leads to these things, and a spirit of rebellion in the bible is likened unto witchcraft.
 
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