Why didn't dinosaurs evolve to be more intelligent?

[Lost4words]

You would have only been an H'ORDERVES!

I am too fast for them! Lol

 

[loveofourlord]

I'm hardly a sun worshiper. The sun is only a localized electrical phenomenon in the electric universe. I worship the One Who is not contained in that universe, but yet (as yeshuaslavejeff states) fills it.

well you were saying improvement only comes from god, and since most of the non intelligent improvement on earth is from the sun, you must have been talking about that, couldn't be that like most creationists you don't even understand the laws of thermodynamics right?

 

[SkyWriting]

Why didn't dinosaurs evolve to be more intelligent?

Because they were animals and destined to remain animals.

 

[SkyWriting]

well you were saying improvement only comes from god, and since most of the non intelligent improvement on earth is from the sun, you must have been talking about that, couldn't be that like most creationists you don't even understand the laws of thermodynamics right?

Like the end of the world:

Heat death of the universe - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Heat_death_of_the_universe
The idea of heat death stems from the second law of thermodynamics, of which one version states that entropy tends to increase in an isolated system.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Why didn't dinosaurs evolve to be more intelligent?

They were intelligent enough to confuse Creationists.

 

[JackRT]

I think that they were intelligent enough to know that the asteroid was coming and that there was nothing they could do about it so there was no point to evolving any more.

 

[loveofourlord]

Like the end of the world:

Heat death of the universe - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Heat_death_of_the_universe
The idea of heat death stems from the second law of thermodynamics, of which one version states that entropy tends to increase in an isolated system.

yes, and at that point things will stop evolving, that has nothing to do with a open system like the earth and the sun that gives us energy allowing for in the small area order, but ultimatly less. Since most of the energy from the sun is lost.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Look up entropy, or the second law of thermodynamics. Improvement only comes by way of He Who Exists Outside the Universe.

The 2nd law applies to closed systems as a whole. While thermodynamic free energy is available (e.g. sources of low entropy), subsystems can use it to lower their own entropy while increasing the entropy of the system as a whole.

Ilya Prigogine showed that, in appropriate conditions, out-of-equilibrium systems tend to self-organize into dissipative structures; pockets of complexity that are more efficient at dissipating the available energy than the bulk. Ways to dissipate energy more efficiently are more thermodynamically favourable, so the longer the availability of thermodynamic free energy, the more time there is for such complexity to increase and the greater the likely increase in complexity.

Good examples of simple dissipative structures are vortices in flowing liquids, and tornadoes in the atmosphere, both of which also show how free energy can be used to make small flows contrary to the bulk flow direction, a visual analogy of the local reversal of entropy flow.

 

[Lazarus Short]

A tornado is hardly a good example, for it brings about huge increases in disorder. Flowing liquids - ditto, if the flow is a torrent, ripping away stream banks and the like. The rest is just technobabble to me, and grasping at straws.

 

[JackRT]

The Second Law of Thermodynamics

Everything is running down and going to pieces. ----- Well, that is a rather simple way of describing it. A better definition would be "in a closed system, entropy (a measure of disorder) will on average constantly increase" Since this is a statistical law, two terms are vitally important ---‘closed system’ and ‘on average’.

***”closed system” means that there is no net influx of energy from outside the system. So far as we know the universe as a whole seems to be a closed system with the result that it will eventually wind down and suffer a heat death. However the planet earth is not a closed system. It receives a net influx of energy from the sun and it is this that allows entropy to decrease and makes evolution possible.

***”on average” means that while entropy in a closed system may be increasing on the whole, there may be localized parts of that system where entropy is actually decreasing. Think of the universe as the system and the earth as such a localized part.

***being statistical laws also means that thermodynamics does not govern the behavior of every single bit of matter at a microscopic level but rather the behavior of collections of matter at the macroscopic level. To say that the class average in the last test was 48% does not mean that every student got that mark or even that the majority of students failed. It is in fact entirely possible that some students bucked the trend and wrote perfect papers.

When one lacks an understanding of science and/or allows oneself to be deluded by charlatans then it is easy to understand that very fundamental mistakes can be made.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

A tornado is hardly a good example, for it brings about huge increases in disorder. Flowing liquids - ditto, if the flow is a torrent, ripping away stream banks and the like. The rest is just technobabble to me, and grasping at straws.

The destruction explicitly shows the increase in entropy of the local environment. That's how dissipative structures work, they maintain or lower their own entropy by increasing the entropy of the external environment.

If you don't understand the 'technobabble', just ask for an explanation of the parts you don't understand and I'll try to explain. But it was you that invoked entropy and the 2nd Law, so I naturally assumed you had some idea of what you were talking about.

 

[Lazarus Short]

The destruction explicitly shows the increase in entropy of the local environment. That's how dissipative structures work, they maintain or lower their own entropy by increasing the entropy of the external environment.

If you don't understand the 'technobabble', just ask for an explanation of the parts you don't understand and I'll try to explain. But it was you that invoked entropy and the 2nd Law, so I naturally assumed you had some idea of what you were talking about.

I've always seen language like that as obfuscation, not explanation, and I don't think the problem is all mine.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

They were intelligent enough to confuse Creationists.

I was never once, not ever, confused by any dinosaur....

(IT'S COOL that they obeyed God the Creator, and (if they could speak), they agreed with me)

 

[pitabread]

I've always seen language like that as obfuscation, not explanation, and I don't think the problem is all mine.

Specialized subjects have certain jargon that goes with them. It's just a matter of learning.

 

[Speedwell]

I've always seen language like that as obfuscation, not explanation, and I don't think the problem is all mine.

What would be the purpose of obfuscation?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I've always seen language like that as obfuscation, not explanation, and I don't think the problem is all mine.

 

[Speedwell]

I've always seen language like that as obfuscation, not explanation, and I don't think the problem is all mine.

Are you suggesting that scientists are attempting to obfuscate each other?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Do humans normally do that ? (especially when they are competing for potentially millions of dollars in funds)

 

[Speedwell]

Do humans normally do that ? (especially when they are competing for potentially millions of dollars in funds)

Do what? Adopt specialized language when speaking to each other about their specialty? I believe that all trades and professions do it.

 

[Lazarus Short]

Do humans normally do that ? (especially when they are competing for potentially millions of dollars in funds)

The use of such language, IMHO, is a bluff. To question such language runs the risk of looking uneducated, and the use of it makes one look educated, unless someone with smarts can see through the linguistic fog. Can we move on? I did not intend to derail the thread.