Why did the Lord come to the earth?

[.Jeremiah.]

That is not Biblical Christianity, that is heresy.

Show us your evidence, please.

 

[.Jeremiah.]

Jesus said: "The Son of Man. . .came to give his life as a ransom for many." (Matthew 20:28)

I do not dispute the words of the Lord, as you have quoted.

Since the Lord is truth itself.

However, one’s interpretation can be subject to falsity.

Precisely, the part you underlined.

My questions: who demanded the ransom? and what was the purpose of the ransom? and what is gained by the “many”?

 

[.Jeremiah.]

He saves men from the wrath of God (Romans 5:9) because of their sin.

Jesus said: "Whoever believes in the Son is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already." (John 3:18).

Nice verses.

Again, explain your understanding please.

Especially what you think “wrath of God” is?

 

[.Jeremiah.]

The Kingdom of God is here and now (Luke 11:20).
The Gospel of the Kingdom . . .is the Gospel of Jesus. . .is the Gospel of grace. . .is the Gospel of Christ. . .is the "Gospel of Paul". . .is the Gospel of the New Covenant. . .

The NT presents only one Gospel, "Repent and believe for the forgivenss of your sin."

Paul didn’t give us a gospel.

He gave a lot of his ideas, which have been severely twisted and destroyed by people over the ages.

If people would get to actually know the Lord, they wouldn’t have that problem.

 

[.Jeremiah.]

They are one and eternally the same.

Yay, I finally agree.

 

[.Jeremiah.]

Same gospel. . .of which there is only one.

Multiple gospels is an invention of man totally contrary to authoritive NT teaching.

1 Corinthians 3:10, 1 Corinthians 3:13-15
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Well, I gave you some of my thoughts above.

Hope you can return some of your ideas.

I’m looking forward to the discussion.

 

[.Jeremiah.]

I see from your two replies you are unable to confirm you obey the commandments of Christ put before you. Do I take it from your scripture quotation you do not love Jesus?

Odd, you have a wonderful talent of twisting scriptures and the comments of others to fit so comfortably in your mind.

 

[.Jeremiah.]

It appears two people who insist Christ's literal commands in the Gospels must be obeyed in order to show you love Jesus cannot themselves confirm they obey Jesus commands put before them

I will say, YOU are a perfect example of why your christianity is in decline today in the world.

You refuse to answer a very simple question.

The simple question I have asked MANY times.

ONE simple question. Just ONE. But NO, I get dismissed over and over.

One must wonder, what you’re afraid of.

How could that horrible attitude ever hope to bring others to the Lord?

 

[Guojing]

Thanks for the question, Guojing.

I am happy to answer you.

He was not. In general.

He was speaking to them only to the extent that he was telling them of their failure to keep the Word holy.

The nation of Israel had the Word, but perverted it.

The nation of Israel was a failure, so a new church had to be created, to carry the Word.

But now, alas, that church has also failed.

imo

So you believe his first coming was also for the gentiles?

 

[Clare73]

Show us your evidence, please.

The grammar of Galatians 2:7-9 is not that difficult to understand, unless maybe English is your third language.

It's not two different gospels, it's two different missions of the one gospel.
Paul was to take the one gospel to the Gentiles, and Peter was to take the same gospel to the Jews.

This dividing things which are the same into two things erroneously claimed to be different is standard dispensational methodology, and contrary to authoritative NT teaching.

 

[Clare73]

I do not dispute the words of the Lord, as you have quoted.
Since the Lord is truth itself.
However, one’s interpretation can be subject to falsity.
Precisely, the part you underlined.
My questions: who demanded the ransom? and what was the purpose of the ransom? and what is gained by the “many”?

Jesus said it, take it up with him.

[A ransom purchases one's freedom from captivity.
Mankind is captive to the wrath (Romans 5:9) and condemnation of God (Romans 5:18) for their sin.
Sin is an offence against the law of the Almighty God of the Universe, for which law breaking there is penalty--everlasting separation from God in the "second death."
The penalty is paid for all those who choose to apply it--by faith in the person and atoning death (blood--Romans 3:25) of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sin with its penalty, giving them right standing with God's justice; i.e., "not guilty," declared righteous, penalty paid.

So. . .who demanded the ransom: the law of God.

What was the purpose of the ransom: to buy back one's freedom from the sentence of captivity to the second death.

The many--those who apply the payment to their penalty for sin--are freed from the captivity of the second death.]

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

The grammar of Galatians 2:7-9 is not that difficult to understand, unless maybe English is your third language.

It's not two different gospels, it's two different missions of the one gospel.
Paul was to take the one gospel to the Gentiles, and Peter was to take the same gospel to the Jews.

This dividing things which are the same into two things erroneously claimed to be different is standard dispensational methodology, and contrary to authoritative NT teaching.

Which christians are gentiles and which one are jews, or did Peter not win any? Something doesn’t compute.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

The grammar of Galatians 2:7-9 is not that difficult to understand, unless maybe English is your third language. and contrary to authoritative NT teaching.

What authoritative NT teaching?

 

[Guojing]

What authoritative NT teaching?

He is referring to Covenant Theology, where it is axiomatic that there is only one gospel preached ever since the fall of Adam.

What Is the Covenant of Grace?

 

[Clare73]

Nice verses.

Again, explain your understanding please.

Especially what you think “wrath of God” is?

The wrath of God is his punishment of sin; i.e., everlasting separation from and disfavor of him.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

He is referring to Covenant Theology, where it is axiomatic that there is only one gospel preached ever since the fall of Adam.

What Is the Covenant of Grace?

I wasn’t aware that Covenant Theology was the accepted theology of the general theology forum. That’s denomination specific and could only be deemed as authoritative teaching in said forum. That’s in violation of forum rules.

 

[Clare73]

Paul didn’t give us a gospel.

Paul said he did (Galatians 1:6-9).

He gave a lot of
his ideas, which have been severely twisted and destroyed by people over the ages.

Actually, the notion you just stated is one of the most twisted and destroying of all.

If people would get to actually know the Lord, they wouldn’t have that problem.

True knowledge of God is in his revelation of himself in the God-breathed Scriptures (2 Timothy 3:16), and not in our own subjective notions of him.

 

[Jesus is my Superhero]

Why did the Lord come to the earth?

To eventually cleanse the earth of politicians!

 

[Clare73]

Which christians are gentiles and which one are jews, or did Peter not win any? Something doesn’t compute.

The Christians in Jerusalem were mostly Israelites.

The Christians in Ephesus were mostly Greeks.

 

[Clare73]

What authoritative NT teaching?

Galatians 1:6-9.