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Why did it take FEMA two weeks to help?

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No, not even that. If for some reason we couldn't restore power after a natural disaster, FEMA couldn't so much as set a pole. They can essentially pay to have it done, but it's not something they can do themselves.

It might come as a surprise to someone who doesn't work in utilities, but unless a utility is government owned, as is found in some municipalities, government doesn't restore power. This is the case for a lot of things, and if you check, I think you'll find it's the same in Canada, too. I suspect that in Canada, not everything is done by the government, just like in the US.

I get the impression that you're fortunate enough never to have been in a natural disaster in general or a natural disaster in a rural area in particular. It's good if you've never had to go through it, but once you've seen one, you have a better idea of what happens. In the rural areas here, the first thing that happen is your neighbors help. First responders arrive and are usually followed by utilities and road crews. For big natural disasters, the National Guard shows up. FEMA is among the last.

So, what about this spill? Honestly, I haven't had to clean one up. For transformer oil, that's done by the utility. I don't know how it's handled for a wreck, only that soil contaminated by so much as diesel has to be removed. Beyond that, I don't know.

The soil will have to be removed, most likely 4 feet *past* the point of contamination, and will need to be sealed in either 55 gallon drums, or in some other sealable containers. Hazmat suits will be worn during the process by trained personnel.

The railroad will have to bear the cost of all this. FEMA should *NOT* be helping them!
 
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...That's probably one of the main reasons they chose to burn the substance - it would be cheaper to clean-up.

But realistically, they should be fined, heavily, by the EPA for all the toxins they put in the air too. The fines should be high. Accidents like these are entirely unacceptable. The government t should offer no monetary assistance to the railroad, even if it means they go bankrupt.
 
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FEMA is only helping now because Trump helped the East Palestine people.

FEMA has no business getting involved in this.

...That's all FEMA is. Government money. And the Norfolk-Southern railroad deserves no financial assistance.
 
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I get the impression that you're fortunate enough never to have been in a natural disaster in general or a natural disaster in a rural area in particular. It's good if you've never had to go through it, but once you've seen one, you have a better idea of what happens. In the rural areas here, the first thing that happen is your neighbors help. First responders arrive and are usually followed by utilities and road crews. For big natural disasters, the National Guard shows up. FEMA is among the last.

So, what about this spill? Honestly, I haven't had to clean one up. For transformer oil, that's done by the utility. I don't know how it's handled for a wreck, only that soil contaminated by so much as diesel has to be removed. Beyond that, I don't know.
This is from a FEMA document
FEMA provides the following programs:
Training programs and research information on the latest mitigation measures;​
Review and coordination of State emergency plans;​
Financial assistance;​
Flood insurance to individuals and businesses in communities that join the National Flood Insurance Program (NFIP);​
Subsidies to State and local offices of emergency management for maintaining emergency management programs;​
Guidance and coordination for plans to warn and protect the nation in national security emergencies; and​
Coordination of services for disaster response and recovery activities.​
So FEMA really isnt about immediate disaster response but dealing with disaster planning and long-term recovery.
 
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I watched Pet say he was all over this.. just will let us know "when" he might go there. Depends on where you sit again I think. It does make one truly wonder... when President Trump goes there... bring water and what ever. I can say nothing he did more then I ever did so.. can't speak negative to that.

Some will look at this differently since they are a small place that likes President Trump. Fact people that like love what ever President Trump do have been treated differently. <---I personally believe that is not the case here. I look at everything (try) that has happen since Biden has been in office and... this is just par for the course. This is how Biden rolls. How long was Pet gone when he first go this gig? yeah but praise God like Pet said he talked about it allot so.. that helps?
Who is "Pet"?
 
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This is from a FEMA document
FEMA provides the following programs:
Training programs and research information on the latest mitigation measures;​
Review and coordination of State emergency plans;​
Financial assistance;​
Flood insurance to individuals and businesses in communities that join the National Flood Insurance Program (NFIP);​
Subsidies to State and local offices of emergency management for maintaining emergency management programs;​
Guidance and coordination for plans to warn and protect the nation in national security emergencies; and​
Coordination of services for disaster response and recovery activities.​

FEMA is *primarily* financial assistance, used for hiring contractors in specialized fields.
 
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The railroad will have to bear the cost of all this. FEMA should *NOT* be helping them!
FEMA would be for the residents. As for government assistance in clean-up, what of those "superfund" sites that were contaminated?
 
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So FEMA really isnt about immediate disaster response but dealing with disaster planning and long-term recovery.
That fits with what I've seen. There were some FEMA funded trailers used after (I think) Katrina.
 
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FEMA would be for the residents. As for government assistance in clean-up, what of those "superfund" sites that were contaminated?
As a former chemical engineer who used to work with Superfund sites, those are long-term issue such as Love Canal or my own stomping ground, the Fernald plant and Chem-Dyne. This is a temporary situation.
 
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