Why did God make Gospel so confusing?

[BigV]

You did read the article right? It's a tad wordy but it does explain the verse.

Typology can be defined as the study of analogical correspondences between persons, events, institutions, and other things within the historical framework of God’s special revelation, which,
from a retrospective view, are of a prophetic nature. According to this definition,
the essential characteristics of a type are: (1) analogical correspondence; (2) historicity; (3) forward-pointing; (4) escalation; (5) retrospection (though this last element will be qualified below)

Well, topology is no different from someone creating a narrative picking and choosing verses from the Old Testament.

Your article is not an answer, it is a Christian spin. Which really shows that anything and everything can be turned into a 'prophecy'.

Are you a child of God? Have you traveled to Egypt and back? If so, Hosea 11:1 is about you. The best thing about topology, is that fulfilment of a prophecy becomes so easy, that anyone and their grandpa can do it.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Well, topology is no different from someone creating a narrative picking and choosing verses from the Old Testament.

Your article is not an answer, it is a Christian spin. Which really shows that anything and everything can be turned into a 'prophecy'.

Are you a child of God? Have you traveled to Egypt and back? If so, Hosea 11:1 is about you. The best thing about topology, is that fulfilment of a prophecy becomes so easy, that anyone and their grandpa can do it.

To simply and flat-out deny someone else's extensive and educated considerations is NOT to have refuted those considerations. ................BUT I notice, very often that's ALL some of you skeptics do. Don't expect us to be convinced by way of such anti-intellectual shrubbery on your part.

 

[miknik5]

Matthew 25 is clear. Faith has nothing to do with whether or not you are going to be saved or damned. And everyone will be surprised at their fate.

By the way, you do not understand the story of Hosea which very much is prophetic of CHRIST as the BRIDEGROOM...

Please read John 6 and John 7 together....

Thank you

 

[miknik5]

Matthew 25 is clear. Faith has nothing to do with whether or not you are going to be saved or damned. And everyone will be surprised at their fate.

Do you understand the story of a virgin,sir? Would a virgin, who loves her groom, be lackadaisical in her waiting for HIS return?

If she were, it is evident enough that her heart was elsewhere...which is why she missed HIS return.

If you do not understand this, please consider King David´s reaction to those 10 concubine who did not come out to meet their King...

 

[miknik5]

Further, in regards to Matthew 25, you should read that along with John 5 for further understanding...

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask.
You do understand that just as one would need to read all of any book to understand fully what is the meaning of it, it is the same with the WORD of GOD...you can not chose what you will chose and neglect everything else. In doing so, you misinterpret and misunderstand the FULL of what GOD is saying by HIS WORD...

John 5 is a time when ALL will hear the VOICE of the SON of GOD, sir.
But right now, not ALL hear HIS VOICE.

Yet those who do, as the WORD of GOD has said, have already passed from death to life...
There are those who will not suffer the second death, sir.


Also, you might want to follow up with your reading of Matthew 25, John 5, with Revelation 20

 

[miknik5]

@BigV

I want you to understand that you can´t bring your works before HIM...and if you are already letting your left hand know what your right hand is doing, do not think it is hidden from HIM.

It is better to trust in THE GOSPEL sir...for that is what GOD did by sending HIS SON...that men/women might cling to HIM as THEIR HOPE...

 

[miknik5]

Another thing, sir...please consider Job...and his friends.

And please advise on who knew GOD better?

Was it Job´s friends who encouraged Job to state his case before GOD, as if Job could list all his ¨righteous deeds¨, as if GOD is a respector of men, or as if GOD does not already know Jobś deeds? What is it that Job could bring before GOD that GOD does not already know?

Or was it Job who understood that he couldn´t do that, and rather he prophecied and pled OUR case before GOD...if only there were a middleman betwixt us, who could lay HIS hand upon us both.

There is...

HIS NAME is CHRIST JESUS

 

[miknik5]

Christianity sir, bears HIS NAME...
And Israel was never ISRAEL...nor was it ever an inheritance in physical land

 

[BigV]

I want you to understand that you can´t bring your works before HIM...and if you are already letting your left hand know what your right hand is doing, do not think it is hidden from HIM.

It is better to trust in THE GOSPEL sir...for that is what GOD did by sending HIS SON...that men/women might cling to HIM as THEIR HOPE...

So, Matthew 25 is wrong? Is Matthew an incomplete Gospel? You can't have Matthew alone and know how to be saved? Why is Matthew called a Gospel if you need John to get a complete picture?

 

[BigV]

Christianity sir, bears HIS NAME...

Well, that's unfortunate since much of Christianity is actually based on Paul. Nobody follows Jesus literally. In fact, it would be bordering on senselessness to do so.

"Do not resit an evil doer", "Give to everyone who asks of you", "Give up all possessions", etc... Anyone who lives like this will end up in a very bad place. That's why reasonable Christians just follow Paul instead.

 

[BigV]

To simply and flat-out deny someone else's extensive and educated considerations is NOT to have refuted those considerations. ................BUT I notice, very often that's ALL some of you skeptics do. Don't expect us to be convinced by way of such anti-intellectual shrubbery on your part.

So, what methodology do you have, or the source we are discussing, to distinguish between simply picking passages of the Old Testament that fit your narrative vs topology?

 

[miknik5]

So, Matthew 25 is wrong? Is Matthew an incomplete Gospel? You can't have Matthew alone and know how to be saved? Why is Matthew called a Gospel if you need John to get a complete picture?

Can you read portions of a work in, lets say, your academic life, and be able to pass off to your instructor that you have read the full work?

You offer a portion and tell those who know the full of GOD´S STORY that this is what GOD meant by HIS WORD?

Don´t you realize that those who have read and understand the full of GOD´S WORD will correct you?

 

[miknik5]

So, Matthew 25 is wrong? Is Matthew an incomplete Gospel? You can't have Matthew alone and know how to be saved? Why is Matthew called a Gospel if you need John to get a complete picture?

Matthew spoke to a Jewish audience who should have understood the OT prophecy and how it pointed to JESUS.

John just spoke about CHRIST and you will find in John´s GOSPEL the TRUTH of WHO JESUS is.

 

[miknik5]

Well, that's unfortunate since much of Christianity is actually based on Paul. Nobody follows Jesus literally. In fact, it would be bordering on senselessness to do so.

"Do not resit an evil doer", "Give to everyone who asks of you", "Give up all possessions", etc... Anyone who lives like this will end up in a very bad place. That's why reasonable Christians just follow Paul instead.

Yet Paul understood the position of the Bride in THE BRIDEGROOM...which is why Paul did not judge those outside.....THE BODY....but left them to GOD...

You do not understand the prophecy hidden in Hosea, how can you understand what Paul expounded in his letters to those baby churches as they grew in their knowledge of their stature in CHRIST...provided they remain...IN...CHRIST

 

[miknik5]

Out of Egypt I called MY SON...

Yes, this is truth sir...for all the children were in Egypt...and were the children of a mother prone to adultery....unless GOD were to take them out from Egypt, and bring them into....ISRAEL...

 

[2PhiloVoid]

So, what methodology do you have, or the source we are discussing, to distinguish between simply picking passages of the Old Testament that fit your narrative vs topology?

BigV, I've been over this in the past. You already know that I apply Philosophical Hermeneutics as a beginning point as a supplement to Biblical Hermeneutics. So, this means that I'm more in line with G.K. Beale as to how to generally read and handle my own interpretive studies of the Bible, even those studies that focus upon the New Testament's usage of the Old (which means that I assume Matthew's use of Old Testament prophetic pieces is applied so as to comport with a form of Jewish TYPOLOGICAL interpretation). [See G.K. Beale, p. 699 of the journal article that @Qwertyui0p linked in post #115.]

Beale asks the following question in his article:

Besides a “strict” grammatical-historical method, there are, however, other approaches to interpreting Scripture that have hermeneutical viability and integrity. For instance, could it be that Matthew is intentionally not only employing a bal-anced “grammatical-historical” approach but is also employing a kind of biblical-theological approach, and the two approaches are complementary? (p. 700)​

And I would say, "Yes, generally speaking, this is probably the better way to read this [i.e. Mathew 2:15 in light of the book of Hosea]."

 

[Qwertyui0p]

Well, topology is no different from someone creating a narrative picking and choosing verses from the Old Testament.

Your article is not an answer, it is a Christian spin. Which really shows that anything and everything can be turned into a 'prophecy'.

Are you a child of God? Have you traveled to Egypt and back? If so, Hosea 11:1 is about you. The best thing about topology, is that fulfilment of a prophecy becomes so easy, that anyone and their grandpa can do it.

You asked the question. I provided an article containing the answer. You have dismissed the article without, as far as I am aware, even reading it. I would appreciate if you can explain why the article is incorrect or fails to answer the question, otherwise I wonder if you even want an answer?

 

[BigV]

And I would say, "Yes, generally speaking, this is probably the better way to read this [i.e. Mathew 2:15 in light of the book of Hosea]."

Got it. So no difference between topology and just picking and choosing stuff that matches your narrative out of the Old Testament and (voila) making it a prophecy fulfilled.

 

[BigV]

You asked the question. I provided an article containing the answer. You have dismissed the article without, as far as I am aware, even reading it. I would appreciate if you can explain why the article is incorrect or fails to answer the question, otherwise I wonder if you even want an answer?

Author in your article admitted taking Hosea 11:1 as a prophecy is a problem. So what they did next, is a mental gymnastics, or 'topology' a method that doesn't distinguish itself from someone just picking and choosing verses out of the Old Testament to fit their story.

 

[BigV]

You do not understand the prophecy hidden in Hosea, how can you understand what Paul expounded in his letters

Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:4 that Christ was buried and raised on the third day, according to the Scriptures.

Where is this prophesied that Christ was going to be buried and raised on the third day? Seems to me at least some Christians were getting carried away with finding their "prophecies".