Why did God gave us men so much more sex drive/lust?

[deliciousBass]

You know what, I am going to stop. Because I've noticed this is a pattern amongst females on this forum. They are intent on proving that they are the same as males when we're not the same. It's as if equality means that you have the same chemical makeup as males and that you think the same way when Biological and Psychological studies show otherwise.

What can you say to a person when in the face of concrete evidence, they still say,"NO, that isn't true."

Nothing.

 

[Wren]

Well I will say that it is "faulty data" that women have just as high a sex drive in their teens to early twenties.

The argument is not falsifiable if you can always claim "faulty data."

WHY IS IT SO WRONG TO ADMIT THAT MEN AND WOMEN ARE MADE DIFFERENTLY?

It's okay you know. It doesn't change the fact that men are willing to do and say almost anything to have sex with you. So you will always have the trump card.

I think that there are some basic differences between men and women, but I don't believe that they are nearly as much as people claim. Different studies say different things which is why they can frequently be unreliable. There are studies that say men have a higher sex drive and there are studies that say women have a higher sex drive. And there are studies that I am suspicious of because of who funded the study or I don't know anything about how they gathered their data.

P.S. Was shouting really necessary?

 

[deliciousBass]

I think that there are some basic differences between men and women, but I don't believe that they are nearly as much as people claim. Different studies say different things which is why they can frequently be unreliable. There are studies that say men have a higher sex drive and there are studies that say women have a higher sex drive. And there are studies that I am suspicious of because of who funded the study or I don't know anything about how they gathered their data.

P.S. Was shouting really necessary?

Yes, because it is frustrating because in this modern "egalitarian" society, we are so eager to be treated as equals that we totally disregard inherent gender differences and pretend they don't exist. I fear we are headed for a Kurt Vonnegut-esque Harrison Bergeron "Utopia".

I mean seriously...the male hormone of choice is Testosterone which has a positive coorelation with sex drive while Estrogen has the OPPOSITE effect!

So does it come as a surprise that when men reach middle age and their testosterone levels drop that their sex drive would drop as well? Not really.

Anyway, I'm done before I lose it. Next we are going to start saying that women are just as strong as men.

 

[Tinkerbell33]

I do think that men have bigger sex drives than woman, I don't know why they were made like that.

 

[BranwenUerchLlyr]

Yes, because it is frustrating because in this modern "egalitarian" society, we are so eager to be treated as equals that we totally disregard inherent gender differences and pretend they don't exist.

I mean for Christ's sake the male hormone of choice is Testosterone which has a positive coorelation with sex drive while Estrogen has the OPPOSITE effect!

So does it come as a surprise that when men reach middle age and their testosterone levels drop that their sex drive would drop as well? Not really.

Anyway, I'm done before I lose it. Next we are going to start saying that women are just as strong as men.

I don't take issue with suggestion there are differences in the ways males and females experience lust, or that there are different levels/amounts of it (and I think my other posts are in line with this). The issue I take with it is that sex drive/lust/etc is generally considered a male problem. It is a human problem, though the way it is dealt with between the sexes is quite different. The distinction shouldn't between lust (the norm, masculinity implicitly implied) and female lust (the exception to the norm, femininity explicitly applied). This frustration with male-centered thinking as it applies to such a universal human struggle is the reason so many women are ready to jump on this issue, and perhaps take it too far. If the argument is "Males have it harder than females. Here is an example of when I lusted after a female and she did not return it," you're bound to get a plethora of frustrated responses from the female flip-side. This is how it may have come across.

Just a bit of consciousness raising.

 

[overit]

Personally, though I'm an egal..and also believe women can have just as high a sex drive as men sometimes-I must ask myself if it's about higher sex drive-being driven more by their urges-lack of impulse control or what....because if we think about it men are also more likely to sexually abuse, rape, take advantage of and are more "predatory" then woman generally, they also still probably use p**n, prostitues, etc more then women do. Which would indicate a higher drive/lack of control then women. So perhaps the drive could be similar but the urge to control it different? Maybe their drive IS higher-because though rape is about power-when you tie that in w/other sex crimes-PART of it is very likely tied to out of control urges. Just something to think about.

 

[deliciousBass]

I agree that it is a human problem. I know women with problems with lust.

 

[Gwendolyn]

It's not like we're lying when we say that there are women who are hounds when it comes to a sex drive. And we're not lying about women who fall into pornography, or who brag about their conquests. They do exist. Why is that so problematic to accept? YOu guys don't live in the female world, you don't see this stuff all the time, so maybe it's easier to say it doesn't exist or something, but it does.

Men have testosterone which makes their drive stronger. But there are females out there who can match it and even surpass some guys, and that's not a lie.

 

[deliciousBass]

Nobody is saying that women don't have a sex drive. I've had my fair share of sex so I don't deny that. What people ARE saying is that generally speaking men have a bigger problem with this than women do. Particularly, young males.

 

[overit]

Db-young males-yes..agree...two words: date rape. this happens quite a bit....and it's mainly the guys that commit this.

I think it can be a combination of drive and inability to control urges.

 

[sidnee]

Seriously, this is one of my biggest pet peeves, especially with some in the Christian community. Guys would also do well to know this.

Women deal with exactly the same things we do. Their sex drive/lust is just as high, they are no different in this regard.

Alot of guys have trouble with women because they put them on a pedestal, but the fact is, women struggle with sex/lust, and have problems, and aren't perfect, the same as us men. And if anyone tells you diffferent, they're lying to you.

Well said

 

[deliciousBass]

Well said

Is anybody going to support their argument? Or is it just as high just because we say it is?

I can say that Hispanics/Latinos have just as high a median income as Caucasians until my face turns blue but that doesn't make it.... true. FTR I do want to say that I believe a woman's sexual drive catches up with men and generally passes him later on in life. I don't believe that it is just as high in all stages of life.

 

[latteda]

I don't know how anyone can really look at this issue objectively. I've obviously never been able to see and experience the issue from a male's perspective. All I know is, if the average male struggles more than I do, I sincerely pity them. Whew!

 

[ryanb6]

Is anybody going to support their argument? Or is it just as high just because we say it is?

Believe Her

Chill out, maybe eat some delicious bass. Take a break. This thread is getting to you.

 

[Lady Bug]

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[Gwendolyn]

How are we supposed to qualify it? How do you measure sex drive? All I know is that I'm still in university, and I know these girls and hear them talk all the time, and they talk about how they and their bfs go at it like rabbits and he has no complaints because their drives match - she wants it just as much as she does. And I've heard other girls whine because they want it and their boyfriend doesn't, for whatever reason. And I've heard still more girls whine because their boyfriend wants it and they don't want it very often. So sure, there's a spectrum, but there totally are girls out there who are insatiable just like there are men out there who are insatiable!

And I'm only talking about premarital sex because that's just the unfortunate culture of the college, I don't know married people in real life who openly discuss their sex life with their spouse with other people.

Although, online, I have heard my fair share of married women feeling rejected and unwanted because they'd like to be more intimate with their husbands but he just won't engage (indicating a problem somewhere). I've also heard my fair share of married men feeling rejected and unwanted because they'd like to be more intimate with their wives but her drive just isn't as high as his.

How am I supposed to "prove" that there are women out there who sometimes have a drive higher than or equal to men? Go out there and ask them to come post on an internet forum because there are men here who just refuse to believe that they exist?

Personally I think it'd be really cool to find a husband who matched my drive, and I'd be willing to work with him to reach an equilibrium in which we were both fully happy.

 

[deliciousBass]

Yes, it's impossible to quantify it. How do you quantify feelings and emotions? I suppose you could assign different values to someone's responses on a survey. Anyway, that's besides the point.

This is a highly subjective thing but I will stand by my previous statements that during adolence to young adulthood, boys and men want to have sex more than women do.

Anyway, that's not the purpose of this thread. Even if there are women in that age range who have a higher sex drive than the males do, they are the exception and there is no need to recognize them when the purpose is to recognize the majority of young males who have insatiable sexual appetites during their teen years to early twenties. THEY are the topic of this thread.

It's like bringing up males who get breast cancer during a WOMEN's breast cancer research discussion. It's pointless.

And to answer the original question, I have no flippin' clue why men are hornier but I think it's a combination of chemical makeup/social conditioning.

 

[Gwendolyn]

And to answer the original question, I have no flippin' clue why men are hornier but I think it's a combination of chemical makeup/social conditioning.

Like I said, testosterone. Sex hormone. Men have it in spades.

Although, randomly, I swear I read some study where a handful of women agreed to be injected with some testosterone - not enough to make them grow facial hair or anything - and they did see a pronounced increase in drive.

And, also randomly - mid-cycle, women usually experience a spike in sexual desire, and it's because our testosterone levels (though puny compared to men's ) heighten slightly. I only found this out because I was watching some tv show with an obgyn on it and some ladies were like, "Is there any way to increase a women's sex drive?" and the obgyn's first question was, "Are you on birth control?" and the women were like "yes" and so the obgyn's response was that birth control usually suppresses that spike in the cycle because it's artificially enginnering an altered cycle to fool the body into thinking it's already pregnant so the hormone fluxuations (fluctuations?) just don't happen.

I agree though, social conditioning is also a big component of it. Apparently it's virile to want sex all the time. It's manly and attractive. So if men have a crazy sex drive, awesome! He's a manly man!

But women do have comparable struggles. Not because of similar hormone levels, but because of social stigma. An insane amount of women feel like they're "dirty" or "wrong" for having any sort of sex drive at all, so when they experience the temptation to explore the sexual arena - alone or with another person, with pornography, etc. - they are so ashamed that they try to bury it and they lie, lie, lie because they're convinced it's just not a womanly thing to do.

Versus men, who are confronted with the social stigma that it's "normal" and even "expected" that they look at and enjoy porn.

All this says to me is that human sexuality is in a very, very broken state. It is so far fallen from where it could be. Where it ought to be. There are so many temptations that distort sexuality's good purpose... so many things that lead us astray into dark territory. And it's a fight for ANYONE to overcome these things. It's not "easier" for either sex - there is an equal amount of pain, of shame, of tears, of denial, etc. It hurts just as much regardless of whether you are male or female.

Unless you have a relativistic moral code where anything is permissible and everything is good. But since we're Christians here, we acknowledge the fact that things like these damage our relationship with God and they impair our ability to be who we truly want to be.

 

[sidnee]

Is anybody going to support their argument? Or is it just as high just because we say it is?

I can say that Hispanics/Latinos have just as high a median income as Caucasians until my face turns blue but that doesn't make it.... true. FTR I do want to say that I believe a woman's sexual drive catches up with men and generally passes him later on in life. I don't believe that it is just as high in all stages of life.

I personally think its more of a personal issue than it is anything else.
Yes, science tells us that woman are more sexual as they age, yet a man tends to peak and then "drop off" I guess you'd say. But I also know that atleast some males my own age, my drive is as high or higher than theirs. Can I prove it with science..nope

 

[deliciousBass]

Like I said, testosterone. Sex hormone. Men have it in spades.

:nods approvingly: Yes, we do have that thing. I hate it. It also makes us go bald I would trade 50% of my sex drive away to get rid of this stupid receding hairline

Although, randomly, I swear I read some study where a handful of women agreed to be injected with some testosterone - not enough to make them grow facial hair or anything - and they did see a pronounced increase in drive.

Yep.

And, also randomly - mid-cycle, women usually experience a spike in sexual desire, and it's because our testosterone levels (though puny compared to men's ) heighten slightly. I only found this out because I was watching some tv show with an obgyn on it and some ladies were like, "Is there any way to increase a women's sex drive?" and the obgyn's first question was, "Are you on birth control?" and the women were like "yes" and so the obgyn's response was that birth control usually suppresses that spike in the cycle because it's artificially enginnering an altered cycle to fool the body into thinking it's already pregnant so the hormone fluxuations (fluctuations?) just don't happen.

Yeah, I read about that this morning on Wikipedia lol. I was like well what do you know.... I would have thought that to disgust you so much that you would not be easily aroused.

I agree though, social conditioning is also a big component of it. Apparently it's virile to want sex all the time. It's manly and attractive. So if men have a crazy sex drive, awesome! He's a manly man!

Heck yeah he is. That means I'm a manly man

But women do have comparable struggles. Not because of similar hormone levels, but because of social stigma. An insane amount of women feel like they're "dirty" or "wrong" for having any sort of sex drive at all, so when they experience the temptation to explore the sexual arena - alone or with another person, with pornography, etc. - they are so ashamed that they try to bury it and they lie, lie, lie because they're convinced it's just not a womanly thing to do.

Ahh yes, the other end of the spectrum. This is particularly a problem in repressed cultures like in the Middle East and in parts of Africa. And I can imagine it's a problem for some of the ultra-conservative sects of Christianity here in N. America. "Spread your legs and think of Jesus!" Haha.

The other side is the women who fight a little bit too hard against this kind of thing and end up being a little too "liberal with their bodies." I blame Sex and the City

Versus men, who are confronted with the social stigma that it's "normal" and even "expected" that they look at and enjoy porn.

Yes, I think people think it's normal and expected. However, I think there has been a backlash against porn these last few years since more and more women are using pornography addiction as a reason to divorce their husbands... David Duchovny is a good example. I think his wife made him go to sex addiction therapy because of his addictions.

All this says to me is that human sexuality is in a very, very broken state. It is so far fallen from where it could be. Where it ought to be. There are so many temptations that distort sexuality's good purpose... so many things that lead us astray into dark territory. And it's a fight for ANYONE to overcome these things. It's not "easier" for either sex - there is an equal amount of pain, of shame, of tears, of denial, etc. It hurts just as much regardless of whether you are male or female.

Hmmm... yeah it's different for us both. At least men can be like "meh, it's expected of me." I dunno, I do believe that women have much more control than men do. After extended conversations with dozens of women on this particular topic, it just seems to me that a lot of them have the innate ability to control sexual desire, or rather that they are basically turned on in different ways so that it appears that they have more control. While we may get turned on by some chick wearing tight shorts and showing some whale tail, a girl may get aroused by I dunno, an "I love you" and a hug.

Unless you have a relativistic moral code where anything is permissible and everything is good. But since we're Christians here, we acknowledge the fact that things like these damage our relationship with God and they impair our ability to be who we truly want to be.

Yes. I can attest to that.