Why critics of Ellen G. White are "splitting hairs".

[Adventist Dissident]

i did not say he stopped his metioral work. just that it is in the final stages. I have a point I am trying to get to. so lets review.

according to SDA understanging of Daniel: In 1844 jesus enter the most holy place to commence the day of atonement (anti-typical) as for shawdoed in the yearly day of atonemen(type). He is in the Heavenly sanctuary right now interceding , reviewing the records and preparing to end his interercessory work. is that correct. do we all agree on this

 

[Sophia7]

How does one determine if someone is "not right" with God? Doesn't that assume that we are "right" with God?

Apparently, some people are assuming that they are right with God and that anyone who disagrees with them is not.

 

[djconklin]

That is correct; When He stops His mediatorial work then He will declare "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still." Rev. 22:11 (KJV)

 

[OntheDL]

i did not say he stopped his metioral work. just that it is in the final stages. I have a point I am trying to get to. so lets review.

according to SDA understanging of Daniel: In 1844 jesus enter the most holy place to commence the day of atonement (anti-typical) as for shawdoed in the yearly day of atonemen(type). He is in the Heavenly sanctuary right now interceding , reviewing the records and preparing to end his interercessory work. is that correct. do we all agree on this

Yep, that's correct.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

ok here is the problem.

the day of atonement was on of 3 fall feast.
the feast of trumptes
the Day of atonement
the feast of booths

The have there counter parts in the spring of the year
passover
feast of unlevened bread
feast of first fruits aslo know as pentecost

The spring feast were fulfilled
passover - the passion week
unlevened bread - jesus in the tomb
first friuts (penticost)- out poring of the holy spirit on the chruch.

right

 

[Sophia7]

We need to do some soul searching. Who utimately is benefitting from this controversy?

I agree with you on this, and I was hoping to find some answers to my concerns. I'm still studying, and I haven't concluded anything for sure. You may not see this in my posts because what I want to know about is the hard questions and the things that I can't reconcile, but I've been trying to give the traditional Adventist positions the benefit of the doubt as much as possible in all of my studies. You don't know how much I wish I could be certain that what I've believed my whole life is true. One thing I am certain of is my faith in Christ. I'm going to take a break from posting on this for a while, though. It's not profitable for any of us to keep arguing over it here and getting into personal disputes with each other.

 

[OntheDL]

ok here is the problem.

the day of atonement was on of 3 fall feast.
the feast of trumptes
the Day of atonement
the feast of booths

The have there counter parts in the spring of the year
passover
feast of unlevened bread
feast of first fruits aslo know as pentecost

The spring feast were fulfilled
passover - the passion week
unlevened bread - jesus in the tomb
first friuts (penticost)- out poring of the holy spirit on the chruch.

right

Mostly correct except first fruit is not the same as Pentecost. First fruit represents the resurrection of Jesus. Pentecost is 50 days after the 1st fruit. It represents the out pour of the spirit.

What's your question?

 

[OntheDL]

I agree with you on this, and I was hoping to find some answers to my concerns. I'm still studying, and I haven't concluded anything for sure. You may not see this in my posts because what I want to know about is the hard questions and the things that I can't reconcile, but I've been trying to give the traditional Adventist positions the benefit of the doubt as much as possible in all of my studies. You don't know how much I wish I could be certain that what I've believed my whole life is true. One thing I am certain of is my faith in Christ. I'm going to take a break from posting on this for a while, though. It's not profitable for any of us to keep arguing over it here and getting into personal disputes with each other.

I hope and pray and I know something positive is going to come out of this. Jesus is not going to leave us in darkness if we sincerely seek Him.

I'm not going to tell you that I'm righteous. That'd be a lie. But the spirit of discernment follows a sanctified life. It's a spiritual gift. Let us decide to follow Christ completely as He's our only and sufficient hope. He will lead us into His marvelous light.

May God bless you with your walk!

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Mostly correct except first fruit is not the same as Pentecost. First fruit represents the resurrection of Jesus. Pentecost is 50 days after the 1st fruit. It represents the out pour of the spirit.

What's your question?

ok that is helpful is was not sure where to put the ressusected christ and saints. had a little confusion. thanks for clearing that up.

Here is the problem
The spring feast ALL correspond to some actual event in time corresponding to the actual time of the type.
passover = passion week
unlevened bread = jesus in the tomb
first firuts = ressurection
Pentecost = the holy spirt being poured out
You have lread agreed that this is the case. My question is .....Why does the same thing apply to the Fall feast
Fall feast

turmpets = Millerite movement 13 yers or so
Day of atonement= 163 year and counting since 1844
Feast of booth =? EGW says we will 7 days traveling to the new jeresulem , there are 7 day to the feast of booths.

Why don't the trumpets and the Day of atonement correspond to a actual time event like the other do? I'm willing to give her the feast of booths. So help me out here. Help me where I am worng

 

[OntheDL]

ok that is helpful is was not sure where to put the ressusected christ and saints. had a little confusion. thanks for clearing that up.

Here is the problem
The spring feast ALL correspond to some actual event in time corresponding to the actual time of the type.
passover = passion week
unlevened bread = jesus in the tomb
first firuts = ressurection
Pentecost = the holy spirt being poured out
You have lread agreed that this is the case. My question is .....Why does the same thing apply to the Fall feast
Fall feast

turmpets = Millerite movement 13 yers or so
Day of atonement= 163 year and counting since 1844
Feast of booth =? EGW says we will 7 days traveling to the new jeresulem , there are 7 day to the feast of booths.

Why don't the trumpets and the Day of atonement correspond to a actual time event like the other do? I'm willing to give her the feast of booths.

I have not seen where EGW said 7 days traveling = the Feast of Tablenacle/booth.

The feasts fit all the events to a Tee.

Fall feasts:

Typical----------------------------Antitypical
Feast of Trumpets-------------1834 Miller began
1st of 7th month------------preaching about the
--------------------------------coming judgment

Day of Atonement------------1844 Judgment began
10th of 7th month----------------day for a year

Feast of Tabernacle------------------2nd coming
15th of 7th month

the 7 days of the feast
of Tabernacle-------------------1000 year reign

8th day of assembly----------new heaven & earth
fields plowed

10 days before the Day of Atonement, the trumpets were blown throughout Israel on the Feast of Trumpets to warn the judgment day.

10 years before 1844, William Miller in 1834 began to preach about the judgment hour.

163 years are not much time compared to the history of salvation. Noah preached 120 years. I believe we are right there at the end: even at the door.

 

[tall73]

Do you have a reason for the day-year principle to be evoked here when it was not in regard to the Spring feasts?

 

[OntheDL]

Do you have a reason for the day-year principle to be evoked here when it was not in regard to the Spring feasts?

The dating of 1844 is not based on it. I have no need to justify the date.

It's for additional thoughts/interesting facts.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

I have not seen where EGW said 7 days traveling = the Feast of Tablenacle/booth.

The feasts fit all the events to a Tee.

Fall feasts:

Typical----------------------------------Antitypical
Feast of Trumpets-------------------1834 Miller began
1st of 7th month------------------preaching about the
-------------------------------------coming judgment

Day of Atonement----------------1844 Judgment began
10th of 7th month----------------------day for a year

Feast of Tabernacle------------------------2nd coming
15th of 7th month

the 7 days of the feast
of Tabernacle--------------------------1000 year reign

8th day of assembly---------------new heaven & earth
fields plowed

10 days before the Day of Atonement, the trumpets were blown throughout Israel on the Feast of Trumpets to warn the judgment day.

10 years before 1844, William Miller in 1834 began to preach about the judgment hour.

163 years are not much time compared to the history of salvation. Noah preached 120 years. I believe we are right there at the end: even at the door.

yah you just made my point now where in the springs feast do you see day equaling a years that is just too complicated.

review the spring

passover = passion week, nice fit it fist exactly to the event
unlevend bread - christ in the tomb corresponds right to the event
first fruits - ressurection
pesticost - holy sprit

there is no day for year stuff it is a nice simple fit. the occsom razor principle fits here. not so with the fall feast I would not have gotten that from the feast. by the way what day is 1st day of the 7th month on the gregorian calander , same with the or dates? Your post has just convinced me that the postion is not true. that is too complicated. That is just as complicated as those who believe in the rapture theroy of second coming. to complicated

 

[Adventist Dissident]

as far as ellen white say the feast of booths is the 7 days journey = feast of booths. she dosen't . she does say we will be 7days traveling to the new jeresulem. I looked for the only logical place I could find in scripture to support it. that is the only place. it is after the day of atonement. and is for a week and has transitaionl housing. that is the only paraell. The joinin of the 2 is mine.

 

[OntheDL]

yah you just made my point now where in the springs feast do you see day equaling a years that is just too complecitate.

review the spring

passover = passion week, nice fit it fist exactly to the event
unlevend bread - christ in the tomb corresponds right to the event
first fruits - ressurection
pesticost - holy sprit

there is no day for year stuff it is a nice simple fit. the occsom razor principle fits here

It's a guide. Not an astrological chart to predict exact dates.

Notice the 1000 year reign is represented by the 7 days of ingathering.

 

[OntheDL]

yah you just made my point now where in the springs feast do you see day equaling a years that is just too complecitate.

review the spring

passover = passion week, nice fit it fist exactly to the event
unlevend bread - christ in the tomb corresponds right to the event
first fruits - ressurection
pesticost - holy sprit

there is no day for year stuff it is a nice simple fit. the occsom razor principle fits here. not so with the fall feast I would not have gotten that from the feast. by the way what day is 1st day of the 7th month on the gregorian calander , same with the or dates?

The 1st day of the jewish 7th month would be in early October time frame. Although it really depends on the cycle of the moon. so it could be late September.

Even the spring feasts are not exact science.

Unleavened bread represents Jesus's body in tomb. And the week of Unleavened bread begins on Nisan 15th and ends on 21st, while the resurrection is the first fruit which is on Nisan 16th. So if you go crazy with dates, there it didn't match.

They are only mile markers.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

It's a guide. Not an astrological chart to predict exact dates.

Notice the 1000 year reign is represented by the 7 days of ingathering.

how did you come to that? i thought it would 7 literal days, or day for year 7 years. how in the world did you come to that conclusion that is just ridiclous

 

[Adventist Dissident]

It's a guide. Not an astrological chart to predict exact dates.

Notice the 1000 year reign is represented by the 7 days of ingathering.

I have not seen where EGW said 7 days traveling = the Feast of Tablenacle/booth.

The feasts fit all the events to a Tee.

Fall feasts:

Typical----------------------------Antitypical
Feast of Trumpets-------------1834 Miller began
1st of 7th month------------preaching about the
--------------------------------coming judgment

Day of Atonement------------1844 Judgment began
10th of 7th month----------------day for a year

Feast of Tabernacle------------------2nd coming
15th of 7th month

the 7 days of the feast
of Tabernacle-------------------1000 year reign

8th day of assembly----------new heaven & earth
fields plowed

10 days before the Day of Atonement, the trumpets were blown throughout Israel on the Feast of Trumpets to warn the judgment day.

10 years before 1844, William Miller in 1834 began to preach about the judgment hour.

163 years are not much time compared to the history of salvation. Noah preached 120 years. I believe we are right there at the end: even at the door.

this is crazy dating, it makes no sense. the spring feast all had something to do with christ and the fall feast had something to do with an baptist farmer, a small band of disappionted followers????? no way

 

[djconklin]

this is crazy dating, it makes no sense. the spring feast all had something to do with christ and the fall feast had something to do with an baptist farmer, a small band of disappionted followers????? no way

I was always taught that the spring festivals dealt with Christ's 1st coming, while the fall festivals were about His Second Coming.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

I was always taught that the spring festivals dealt with Christ's 1st coming, while the fall festivals were about His Second Coming.

right that makes sense. there should be a corresponding actual event to fulfill the type.

not a 10 year period ,
or an 'age"of the day of atonement, which god is in the most holy place right now, since 1844. as taught by the SDA chruch. i just saw lonnie melishenko and he was saying the same old SDA doctrine.