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the door of mercy had been shut and they were to just wait a little more.
Post 34 from http://www.ellenwhite.org/egw1.htm sates that:
. (3) Ellen White had visions supporting this "shut door" doctrine see previous post http://www.earlysda.com/flock/lflock-jwhite.html
However true this extract may be in relation to reveries, it is not true in regard to the visions: for the author does not "obtain the sentiments" of her visions "from previous teaching or study." When she received her first vision, Dec. 1844, she and all the band in Portland, Maine, (where her parents then resided) had given up the midnight-cry, and shut door, as being in the past. It was then that the Lord shew her in vision, the error into which she and the band in Portland had fallen. She then related her vision to the band, and about sixty confessed their error, and acknowledged their 7th month experience to be the work of God.
OK, the 7th month movement was that christ came in 1844, but you see here is the problem,CHRIST DID NOT COME IN 1844. In case you had not noticed, the prediction failed we are still here. the believe the door of mercy had been shut for sinners, The door of mercy had not been shut for sinners. how could that be of God when it was wrong. I'm am not talking about 1844, the 2300 day I don't have a problem with i am talking about the door of mercy being shut for ever. it was not. That is problem.
When they confessed what were they confessing their error, that the midnight cry had been valid and the door of mercy was still shut, that was the work of God.
if they dropped the midnight cry and the door of mercy was still open for sinners, what was to be repented of? He was still coming and the door was still shut? How could they have been wrong when christ did not come and the door of mercy was not shut? christ did not come and the door of mercy was not shut it was still open. How could that be the work of God?
that is symantics. they are called wars if they succed, the americian revloutionary war succeded. You are walking a thin line on that one. more people did in 1848 revloutions that failed then in all of the revloutionary war.If you had read the history of the era you would know that the 1848 revolutions (plural, not singular) are never called wars.
You are walking a thin line on that one.
but that is not what it says.
When she received her first vision, Dec. 1844, she and all the band in Portland, Maine, (where her parents then resided) had given up the midnight-cry, and shut door, as being in the past. It was then that the Lord shew her in vision, the error into which she and the band in Portland had fallen. She then related her vision to the band, and about sixty confessed their error, and acknowledged their 7th month experience to be the work of God.
it says they the had given up the midnight-cry,and the shut door as being in the past. Does it mean that they revived it as being in the past or still present or still applicable. If they gave it up doesn't it mean that they stopped beleving it and they were going to go back to their chruches? The at was the point of the vision to engourage them to still believe that God was with them and this was not just a bigh mistake. the door of mercy had been shut and they were to just wait a little more.
no it is not different. that is the point. they believed the midnight cry had been given and they had gone into wedding and the door had been shut to those who did not believe. they were trying to keep the band of belever together and make sense of the whole thing. If you check out the thread on "shut door" we will talk there. Contiuned on another thread.You don't understand what 1844 teaches. Midnight cry is the central theme of the 1844 doctrine.
But early adventists (prior to Dec 1844) believed the door of mercy was closed. This is different from the biblical interpretation of the shutdoor. This error was corrected by God. The true interpretation was made known to the remnant of the 1844 movement.
Lets move on please.
you are splitting hairs. The fact is that there was polotical unrest, characterized by violent minitary alteraction between 2 opposing sides, In which there was a winner and a looser and ten of thousands of people killed. 25000-70000. some people call that war. I cannot respect the line of reasoning on this your defence is very weak. If that is your best defence you are in big trouble my friend. I suggest you conseed and drop the poin, you are going to look real bad. Any reasonable person can see that someone might call that "WAR" uneducated people certianly would. They don't care about the term they care about the reality, and the realty looks like war, feels like war, must be war.Words mean what they mean. This is not Alice in Wonderland. If you were taking a history course and persisted in calling "revolutions" "wars" you would not get a passing grade for the course. The numbers of people who died is irrelevant. The question is what happened. The American revolution created a new nation. NONE of the revolutions in Europe created a new nation. Changes in gov't, maybe. But, France stayed France, Austria stayed Austria, etc..
You are the one who is going against the stream of scholarship on the issue.
I will defend it in front of anybody!
SDAs grow up learning how to defend Ellen White first and then the Bible and then when you bring up the contradictions of her SDAs then start putting down the Bible and weakening it to defend her.
This is not splitting hairs, it's exposing her false teachings.
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen G. White. As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested.-Fundamental Beliefs, 18
How about Jesus? We could try talking about Him? This is whom Ellen White talked about the most.what is the next topic ?
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the law in galations?
1902 san and review and herald fires
what about the fires in mt view and takoma park
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alandelillo;
Forgive me for being a little dense or slow, but I'm not quite sure of what your expounding? You state she was a pathetic liar and an anti-trinitarian like all the others and you challenge us to read and refute your writings? And also, SDA's learn how to defend her and put down the Bible and weaken it?
Ummm, I'm sorry to disagree if the above supposition is correct, but I'm an SDA and I haven't gotten around to "learning how to defend EGW". God and the Word are first and foremost with me and I view her as she herself stated "as a lesser light, and if anything she says contradicts the Bible to disregard it".
I read the paper mentioned and as far as I understood it, she at first was anti-trinitarian then became thru study, knowledge, or however it happened, became a trinitarian. Isn't that what it says?
I don't plan to "sincerely" search her life, I'm more interested in searching Jesus' life, if I find something she wrote that clarifies something I'm pondering then great, if not I'll search for others that could clarify a point, thus ever learning, but the Bible is my window to Jesus, the Law, and the Prophets.
God bless;
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