Why creationists can never convince me that evolution is false.

[BeyondET]

Nope. You’re the one telling us how evolution is false.

it’s not my job to educate you, and the reason for this OP - we know more about science than you guys.

I'm not saying it is false i am saying its by design a Creator of such things. And i find its extremely hard to educate people about that.

 

[Gary987]

I am going to start where God starts. A miracle.

in the beginning

science is knowledge. And God is not very pleased with our use of knowledge and this is known by Christians and I think that causes much caution and sometimes probably unnecessary caution. Does this make sense pita ?

I grew up without much school influence and dropped out at 14. I called my teach a quack at 8 years old about evolution and I trust God spoke that day cuz I had no clue. But I remember it. I remember saying. No way with my tiny pre teen brain did man evolve. We are special and set apart on this planet

now you wanna talk evolution. God creates. So there’s no doubt he may still be creating and fooling y’all scientists


Take me lightly I’m joking.

 

[HitchSlap]

Evidence for what? You don't even know why reality exists.

Reality exists because it couldn’t be otherwise.

 

[HitchSlap]

I'm not saying it is false i am saying its by design a Creator of such things. And i find its extremely hard to educate people about that.

All it takes is evidence to convince me.

Arguments from incredulity are nothing more than a creationist saying ‘wow, look at all the neat stuff I don’t understand. Goddidit.’

 

[AV1611VET]

In debating creationists, I find that 99% of the time said creationists don't share that level of knowledge and understanding.

Looks like that 1% can't convince you either.

So what is it you're really looking for?

 

[HitchSlap]

Looks like that 1% can't convince you either.

So what is it you're really looking for?

IMO he misspoke, as I’ve never seen that one percent. All the smart creationists become TE in time.

 

[BeyondET]

All it takes is evidence to convince me.

Arguments from incredulity are nothing more than a creationist saying ‘wow, look at all the neat stuff I don’t understand. Goddidit.’

same here all it takes is evidence it was done by chance'

the Arguments of the pure evolutionist saying wow look at all the neat stuff in nature all done by chance, scientist do not understand how it came to be. they can understand links to the dirt but that's it.

 

[HitchSlap]

same here all it takes is evidence it was done by chance'

the Arguments of the pure evolutionist saying wow look at all the neat stuff in nature all done by chance, scientist do not understand how it came to be. they can understand links to the dirt but that's it.

You’re not remotely qualified to make this assessment. It’s why the scientific method and evolution wins, and creationism hasn’t changed the n fifty years.

 

[pitabread]

Looks like that 1% can't convince you either.

So what is it you're really looking for?

The 1% would be people like Todd Wood, that seem to understand biological evolution, but are also honest that they are rejecting it for solely for the reason of satisfying their religious convictions.

Also of note is that Todd Wood has called out other creationists out for misrepresenting the science of evolution: The truth about evolution. Which imho, speaks volumes about the problems creationists have when discussing the subject.

 

[pitabread]

IMO he misspoke, as I’ve never seen that one percent. All the smart creationists become TE in time.

I'd put Todd Wood in that 1%. Though I do wonder if he will eventually become a TE.

 

[BeyondET]

You’re not remotely qualified to make this assessment. It why the scientific method and evolution wins, and creationism hasn’t changed the n fifty years.

And your not even remotely qualified to make a assessment about creationism, wow looking here God did it is a sarcastic statement

 

[Gary987]

The 1% would be people like Todd Wood, that seem to understand biological evolution, but are also honest that they are rejecting it for solely for the reason of satisfying their religious convictions.

Your going from asking questions to accusing here.

if a evolution teacher wants to challenge his or her scientific dogma he must accept that the Christian faith relies on evidence not scene and trust in scripture did not last in a dessert in Syria and a desert cave for the Dead Sea scrolls to prove the consistency of the texts for over 2k years. With out it being divinely inspired to be unearthed when scientists needed it most for scripture authority validation

science acts like it has out paced scripture but then God stepped in once again to bring knowledge low and his name and word high by unearthing these texts proving the absolute consistency of scripture.

 

[pitabread]

Your going from asking questions to accusing here.

There's no accusation here. Todd Wood has written about this in his own words:

Creationist students, listen to me very carefully: There is evidence for evolution, and evolution is an extremely successful scientific theory. That doesn't make it ultimately true, and it doesn't mean that there could not possibly be viable alternatives. It is my own faith choice to reject evolution, because I believe the Bible reveals true information about the history of the earth that is fundamentally incompatible with evolution. ​

The truth about evolution

 

[Frank Robert]

same here all it takes is evidence it was done by chance'

the Arguments of the pure evolutionist saying wow look at all the neat stuff in nature all done by chance, scientist do not understand how it came to be. they can understand links to the dirt but that's it.

No one is claiming evolution is chance. Evolutionary processes have been documented since Darwin's time and have been confirmed through consilience of multiple scientific fields.

 

[Gary987]

His flapping like a dead reed doesn’t negate his faith. He had a flesh moment and will regret saying that I’m sure

 

[BeyondET]

No one is claiming evolution is chance. Evolutionary processes have been documented since Darwin's time and have been confirmed through consilience of multiple scientific fields.

Ok and i have nothing against that its the chance by shear luck or whatever is the part i am against. if not done by chance or blind interaction then how is it explain it

 

[Gary987]

I’m sorry pita. Do you support the truth that God created the heavens and earth and evolutionary theory wether half true or not at all is a destructive force for spiritual growth ?


Creationists speak like babies in a crib trying to pronounce lasagna They know they are right but have no clue how to convey such a marvelous knowledge and truth

 

[pitabread]

No one is claiming evolution is chance. Evolutionary processes have been documented since Darwin's time and have been confirmed through consilience of multiple scientific fields.

This further serves to reinforce the points made in the OP. Creationists aren't arguing against the science of evolution; they're arguing against a strawman caricature.

 

[pitabread]

Do you support the truth that God created the heavens and earth and evolutionary theory wether half true or not at all is a destructive force for spiritual growth ?

I am not a Christian, if that's what you are asking. I find the core fundamentals of Christian theology to be illogical.

And no, I don't think that evolutionary theory is a destructive force for spiritual growth. Many Christians have managed to reconcile belief in Christianity with acceptance of findings of science as a means to understand God's creation. Look up the works of Dr. Francis Collins, for example.

 

[BeyondET]

I am not a Christian, if that's what you are asking. I find the core fundamentals of Christian theology to be illogical.

And no, I don't think that evolutionary theory is a destructive force for spiritual growth. Many Christians have managed to reconcile belief in Christianity with acceptance of findings of science as a means to understand God's creation. Look up the works of Dr. Francis Collins, for example.

but you do not totally disbelieve in a creator nor totally against the idea. as far as Agnostic theology is defined.

Agnosticism - Wikipedia
Agnosticism is the view that the existence of God, of the divine or the supernatural is unknown or unknowable. Another definition provided is the view that "human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify either the belief that God exists or the belief that God does not exist."

 

[pitabread]

but you do not totally disbelieve in a creator nor totally against the idea. as far as Agnostic theology is defined.

I'm not against the idea of a creator. In fact, if it turned out life on Earth had been created, it would be one of the most astounding things in the history of humanity ever.

The problem is there is currently no evidence that supports that idea. Conversely, the evidence we do have points to life sharing common ancestry and having likely arisen on this planet under natural conditions.