Why creationists can never convince me that evolution is false.

[AV1611VET]

What I am interested in would be comparing the relative DNA starting points and looking for specific genetic markers to indicate discontinuities between different lineages.

You do realize that you're looking at the very first tigers in existence, don't you? ditto for the house cats?

(I could make this harder and have you seeing Adam riding a T. Rex, but you're being cooperative here, and I don't want to go overboard. I'm [pleasantly] surprised you're even addressing this.)

 

[pitabread]

You do realize that you're looking at the very first tigers in existence, don't you? ditto for the house cats?

Yes. That doesn't change the fact that if there were independently created, one would expect biological discontinuity markers.

And if said markers didn't exist, then it would raise a whole lot of questions about why they were created to look like that.

Do you understand what I mean by discontinuity markers?

Here's a creationist paper on the subject: Discontinuity Systematics: A New Methodology of Biosystematics Relevant to the Creation Model

(I could make this harder and have you seeing Adam riding a T. Rex, but you're being cooperative here, and I don't want to go overboard. I'm [pleasantly] surprised you're even addressing this.)

I don't know what you mean by making things harder?

Such a scenario just raises more question. If dinosaurs and humans were contemporaries, why don't we find evidence of that in the fossil record? Why do we find different levels of preservation between different groups of organisms? And so on...

 

[pitabread]

On a much lighter note, pita, did you see that OP from Split Rock about two creationists (Dad & I) taking a commercial flight?

It is absolutely hilarious, and he has us pegged down to a tee!

I'm afraid I did not. Do you have a link?

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm afraid I did not. Do you have a link?

Yes, but it's kinda hard to read, since the codes were changed some time ago here.

I'll copy and paste it here, but it'll take a few minutes to fix the codes.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, but it's kinda hard to read, since the codes were changed some time ago here.

I'll copy and paste it here, but it'll take a few minutes to fix the codes.

Two Creationists take a Commercial Flight

AV1611VET: How do we know that the flight crew knows how to fly this plane?

Flight Attendant: They are trained experts and have been doing this for many years.

Dad: All because they are so-called experts doesn't mean they can ignore God's Word.

Flight Attendant: What does God's Word have to do with flying an airplane?

AV1611VET: I use my Boolean Standards to show that flying is against The Inerrant Word of God and The Documentation.

Flight Attendant: Are you talking about The Bible? Where does The Bible say that?

AV1611VET: "Thinking themselves to be wise they became fools."

Flight Attendant: What does that have to do with flying?

AV1611VET: Homo sapiens means "Wise Man,"; doesn't it? Since the flight crew are Wise Men they are really fools and God will show them they are fools by crashing the plane.

Flight Attendant: What???

Dad: How do these Ivory Tower so-called experts know they can fly this plane between here and the destination? What if the atmosphere between here and the destination is in a different state?

Flight Attendant: Different State?? What do you mean??

Dad: A different state. Like it was before "The Split."

Flight Attendant: What "Split?"

Dad: During the time of Peleg. To think differently, is anti-Bible hogwash and a fantasy!

Flight Attendant: What are you talking about?

Dad: You cannot prove that the space-time state between here and there is not different can you?

Flight Attendant: No, but we have never had any problem flying this route before..

Dad: Ha! You just ASSUME there is no difference now, because you assume the past is the key to the present. That is an Anti-God Lie, and thinking only within the box.. I refuse to accept it!!!

Flight Attendant Please, both of you take your seats!

AV1611VET: You just can't wait to ridicule me, even though I accept 95% of your "science!"

Dad: I just discovered that human flight is impossible! Amazing!!

Flight Attendant: Please, take your seats so we can take off! I promise it is safe!

AV1611VET: Oh yeah.. just like Thalidomide was a Wonder Drug before it was Plutoed!

Flight Attendant: Thalidomide?

AV1611VET: Sure, Thaldomide proves that your "science" changes with the flavor of the week!

Dad: Prove with your so called science that the state between here and there is the same! You can't!!!! Human flight is an anti-Bible lie! Amazing!

Flight Attendant: Get off this plane!!!

SOURCE

 

[d taylor]

Science convinced me that evolution is not true

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

Two Creationists take a Commercial Flight

AV1611VET: How do we know that the flight crew knows how to fly this plane?

Flight Attendant: They are trained experts and have been doing this for many years.

Dad: All because they are so-called experts doesn't mean they can ignore God's Word.

Flight Attendant: What does God's Word have to do with flying an airplane?

AV1611VET: I use my Boolean Standards to show that flying is against The Inerrant Word of God and The Documentation.

Flight Attendant: Are you talking about The Bible? Where does The Bible say that?

AV1611VET: "Thinking themselves to be wise they became fools."

Flight Attendant: What does that have to do with flying?

AV1611VET: Homo sapiens means "Wise Man,"; doesn't it? Since the flight crew are Wise Men they are really fools and God will show them they are fools by crashing the plane.

Flight Attendant: What???

Dad: How do these Ivory Tower so-called experts know they can fly this plane between here and the destination? What if the atmosphere between here and the destination is in a different state?

Flight Attendant: Different State?? What do you mean??

Dad: A different state. Like it was before "The Split."

Flight Attendant: What "Split?"

Dad: During the time of Peleg. To think differently, is anti-Bible hogwash and a fantasy!

Flight Attendant: What are you talking about?

Dad: You cannot prove that the space-time state between here and there is not different can you?

Flight Attendant: No, but we have never had any problem flying this route before..

Dad: Ha! You just ASSUME there is no difference now, because you assume the past is the key to the present. That is an Anti-God Lie, and thinking only within the box.. I refuse to accept it!!!

Flight Attendant Please, both of you take your seats!

AV1611VET: You just can't wait to ridicule me, even though I accept 95% of your "science!"

Dad: I just discovered that human flight is impossible! Amazing!!

Flight Attendant: Please, take your seats so we can take off! I promise it is safe!

AV1611VET: Oh yeah.. just like Thalidomide was a Wonder Drug before it was Plutoed!

Flight Attendant: Thalidomide?

AV1611VET: Sure, Thaldomide proves that your "science" changes with the flavor of the week!

Dad: Prove with your so called science that the state between here and there is the same! You can't!!!! Human flight is an anti-Bible lie! Amazing!

Flight Attendant: Get off this plane!!!

SOURCE

So where was Dad's implied smiley face?

 

[Strathos]

Reading through this thread, it seems like most responses are just proving the OP's point.

 

[AV1611VET]

So where was Dad's implied smiley face?

Dad enters the thread at Post 46.

 

[HitchSlap]

As I currently understand it, no true missing links have been found. They should be all over the place as I understand it.

This is exactly the point of pitabread’s OP...

You don’t understand.

 

[Shemjaza]

Science convinced me that evolution is not true

I'm dubious.

 

[BeyondET]

How mantis shrimp evolved many shapes with same powerful punch | Duke University

Summary:
The miniweight boxing title of the animal world belongs to the mantis shrimp, a cigar-sized crustacean whose front claws can deliver an explosive 60-mile-per-hour blow akin to a bullet leaving the barrel of a gun. A study of 80 million years of mantis shrimp evolution reveals how these fast weapons evolved their dizzying array of shapes -- from spiny and barbed spears to hatchets and hammers -- while still managing to pack their characteristic punch.​

The natural world contains about 8.7 million species today. Why do expect that evolution should know everything about their evolution? Why not be in awe of all that humans have learned since Darwin. You could even even attribute such accomplishments to God's will and do so without needing to deny the dominance of evidence for evolution.

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actually i do think God is the designer of such things not by chance, all written in the stem cell libraries, kinds to kinds doesn't mean identical but through,adaptations,metamorphosis,mutations,regeneration and array of other things nature isn't capable of designing blindly.

Romans 1
19 For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.

 

[Frank Robert]

actually i do think God is the designer of such things not by chance, all written in the stem cell libraries, kinds to kinds doesn't mean identical but through,adaptations,metamorphosis,mutations,regeneration and array of other things nature isn't capable of designing blindly.

Here is a continuum of Creation/Evolution thinking.

 

[BeyondET]

Here is a continuum of Creation/Evolution thinking.

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not all people who believe in a creator think the earth is young i most certainly do not. its roughly 4.5 million years old.

 

[AV1611VET]

Here is a continuum of Creation/Evolution thinking.

What I believe can't be represented on that continuum.

 

[Frank Robert]

not all people who believe in a creator think the earth is young i most certainly do not. its roughly 4.5 million years old.

The purpose of the continuum image was to display the various theories that people hold.

 

[BeyondET]

The purpose of the continuum image was to display the various theories that people hold.

but it isn't a fact just someone's idea made up drawing

 

[Frank Robert]

What I believe can't be represented on that continuum.

The image is meant to simply show that people adhere to different theories, but it is not likely to capture theories outside the continuum. I am using the word theory in the general meaning, not scientific.

 

[Frank Robert]

but it isn't a fact just someone's idea made up drawing

It is simply a representation of ideas and theories.

Edit: it is a sample of ideas and theories that people hold.

 

[HitchSlap]

actually i do think God is the designer of such things not by chance, all written in the stem cell libraries, kinds to kinds doesn't mean identical but through,adaptations,metamorphosis,mutations,regeneration and array of other things nature isn't capable of designing blindly.

Romans 1
19 For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.

This is the disconnect all creationists have; I don’t really understand the science, but I have bible. Checkmate.