Why Creationists Believe in a Young Earth

[Herman Hedning]

not a science,

So just what is *science*, in your own words?

Why, this of course!

 

[jpcedotal]

How far back can science reach before it quits being science and simply becomes an "educated guess" at best or just simply "anti-God propaganda" at worst?

From a secular view point what is the beginning? Is there a point where there was nothing, then there was something? Or was there just always something? Does matter itself have a beginning or is it ... eternal?

Is the Big Bang still the accepted beginning of all that is? If so, where did the stuff come from that made up the Big Bang?

I guess I have a hard time understanding where the point secular science is legit and God left out. For every point that secular science tries to claim is the beginning, the question can always be asked "Where did the stuff come from at this beginning point?"

In the beginning God....is the only statement that covers these questions totally. I don't have to look any further back because there isn't a "further back". Any other statement given by secular science, even if believed is true, leaves unanswered questions about time before. The first verse of the Bible does not leave any room for debate, IF the statement is believed. That's the difference to me and that is the reason there is a God. He is the final answer to everything.

It has to do with belief. With secular science there is never a final answer. With God science, there is.

 

[AV1611VET]

How far back can science reach before it quits being science and simply becomes an "educated guess" at best or just simply "anti-God propaganda" at worst?

Hal Lindsey pointed out once that Godly science peaked with Isaac Newton; after that, it started going downhill.

 

[jpcedotal]

Hal Lindsey pointed out once that Godly science peaked with Isaac Newton; after that, it started going downhill.

hmmm...that's asking the same question from the other end of time...the present. That is pretty legit actually. There does seem to be a point where science quit being about observation, and started being about political agendas and changing people's worldviews which definitely includes leaving God out.

Anytime science does not promote atheism it no longer is labeled as science. I just wonder how many discoveries have been left undiscovered because "changing minds" has become the #1 priority of secular science.

 

[AV1611VET]

hmmm...that's asking the same question from the other end of time...the present. That is pretty legit actually. There does seem to be a point where science quit being about observation, and started being about political agendas and changing people's worldviews which definitely includes leaving God out.

Anytime science does not promote atheism it no longer is labeled as science. I just wonder how many discoveries have been left undiscovered because "changing minds" has become the #1 priority of secular science.

Scientists like to boast of their discoveries, sans God; but I have to wonder where they would be today on the technological scale if they would all worship God and let His Holy Spirit guide them "into all truth."

Cancer, for example would probably be a thing of the past by now, ya think?

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

Hal Lindsey pointed out once that Godly science peaked with Isaac Newton; after that, it started going downhill.

Yeah, if only we still had alchemy around...

 

[steve_bakr]

hmmm...that's asking the same question from the other end of time...the present. That is pretty legit actually. There does seem to be a point where science quit being about observation, and started being about political agendas and changing people's worldviews which definitely includes leaving God out.

Anytime science does not promote atheism it no longer is labeled as science. I just wonder how many discoveries have been left undiscovered because "changing minds" has become the #1 priority of secular science.

Science has overstepped itself in our time. It involves itself in the theological debate by positing there is no God and ridicules believers. At the same time, however, religious people must understand that science plays an important role in our lives.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yeah, if only we still had alchemy around...

If we did, you guys would be the ones using it, wouldn't you?

 

[AV1611VET]

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That's probably because you don't understand -- let's see if I'm right.

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No -- I think He sent someone, but he got aborted.

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That's right -- He opened their eyes to some things.

 

[jpcedotal]

Originally Posted by Lion Hearted Man
You think God is withholding cancer treatments because scientists are too arrogant to "let His Holy Spirit guide them"

No -- I think He sent someone, but he got aborted.

or he/she didn't get the funding because his research didn't line up with this new "secular worldview first" science.

 

[AV1611VET]

or he/she didn't get the funding because his research didn't line up with this new "secular worldview first" science.

Yup -- probably a host of reasons.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

No -- I think He sent someone, but he got aborted.

I don't understand this comment. Can you explain what you mean please?

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

or he/she didn't get the funding because his research didn't line up with this new "secular worldview first" science.

*Eyeroll*

I did research for three years under investigator that was very Christian. She did great science and got lots of funding. There are tons of scientists with strong religious beliefs that get funding, especially for cancer research (probably the #1 top-funded field of biomedical science). <staff edit>

 

[jpcedotal]

I think it all boils down to the fact that what God tells us is truth is completely opposite to what the world wants us to believe as truth. I mean, if it was closer to the same or came from or went to some of the same points, then there would be more agreement and less hate. Sure there are Christians who try their best to intertwine secular views with their Christians beliefs, but they have to deny the literal translation of the Bible to do it.

World: The universe is infinite, but we are not.
God: We are eternal, the world in finite.

World: Get it while the gettin's good, because one day you will be dead.
God: Decisions you make in this life will effect you eternally in the next life.

World: Matter has no beginning so it will have no end.
God: Since there is a beginning, there will be an end. What is created will come to an end.

2Pe 3:3-7 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation." 5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

The unwillingness to acknowledge the Biblical account of Creation comes from the unwillingness to acknowledge that there is a higher power that holds us accountable. It is this accountability that causes the absolute rebellion of God....not that He exists or not, but simply that by claiming he does not exist relieves the unbeliever of being held accountable to an absolute good.

 

[AV1611VET]

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Hmmm -- there's plenty of leaders out there, I wonder why Moses was given the task?

Numbers 16:3 And they gathered themselves together against Moses and against Aaron, and said unto them, Ye take too much upon you, seeing all the congregation are holy, every one of them, and the LORD is among them: wherefore then lift ye up yourselves above the congregation of the LORD?

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That's actually taken from a comic strip where a man is asking God why He hasn't sent someone to find a cure for cancer, and God responds that He did, and the man asks God where he is, and God said he was aborted.
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[Psudopod]

Science has overstepped itself in our time. It involves itself in the theological debate by positing there is no God and ridicules believers. At the same time, however, religious people must understand that science plays an important role in our lives.

Science is a process. How can science ridicule believers? Most scientists don't either, given that a large number of them are themselves believers.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

Hmmm -- there's plenty of leaders out there, I wonder why Moses was given the task?

Numbers 16:3 And they gathered themselves together against Moses and against Aaron, and said unto them, Ye take too much upon you, seeing all the congregation are holy, every one of them, and the LORD is among them: wherefore then lift ye up yourselves above the congregation of the LORD?

And if Moses wasn't around, no one else could have filled those shoes?

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That's actually taken from a comic strip where a man is asking God why He hasn't sent someone to find a cure for cancer, and God responds that He did, and the man asks God where he is, and God said he was aborted.

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[jpcedotal]

Grown-ups who die from cancer are more important than aborted people. One is a tragedy while the other is simply a "victimless" murder. (sarcasm)

I too, have family members who have died from cancer, but I don't blame God...I blame the sinful world.

 

[Split Rock]

How far back can science reach before it quits being science and simply becomes an "educated guess" at best or just simply "anti-God propaganda" at worst?

The scientific method handles that. What it doesn't handle is your increasing fear everytime your small god gets pushed further and further into a diminishing corner.

From a secular view point what is the beginning? Is there a point where there was nothing, then there was something? Or was there just always something? Does matter itself have a beginning or is it ... eternal?

I don't know... does your God have a beginning? If not, why are you satisfied with that?

Is the Big Bang still the accepted beginning of all that is? If so, where did the stuff come from that made up the Big Bang?

I don't know. Maybe it was always there like your god.

I guess I have a hard time understanding where the point secular science is legit and God left out. For every point that secular science tries to claim is the beginning, the question can always be asked "Where did the stuff come from at this beginning point?"

You seem to have that same problem.

It has to do with belief. With secular science there is never a final answer. With God science, there is.

yeah. A useless answer that provodes no practical benefit to our understanding of the world around us.

hmmm...that's asking the same question from the other end of time...the present. That is pretty legit actually. There does seem to be a point where science quit being about observation, and started being about political agendas and changing people's worldviews which definitely includes leaving God out.

Nonsense.

Anytime science does not promote atheism it no longer is labeled as science. I just wonder how many discoveries have been left undiscovered because "changing minds" has become the #1 priority of secular science.

More nonsense. Science does not promote atheism.

 

[jpcedotal]

In the beginning God...

those four words

single-highhandedly contradicts 6 popular philosophies in the world today.

Atheism: There is no God
Pantheism: The universe (nature) is God
Polytheism: The belief of many gods.
Radical Materialism: Matter is eternal
Naturalism: Nature itself evolved itself.
Fatalism: The is no God, only a force that pushes everything forward.

That's why it is hard to go any further than these four words in ANY discussion with unbelievers because our "beginnings" are so fundamentally different. All that can ever be accomplished is just the desire to grab the other person and shake him/her screaming "wake-up!!!". I mean, I can see this mentality from both sides.

So why do we really always come back here and continue to post? I am sure both sides fully understand there will be no change in belief, so why do we continue to argue? To see who will tire first and leave? Entertainment value?