Why conservatives are boycotting paypal

[lasthero]

It accuses paypal of bullying a state to accept co-ed bathroom policy. And denial of service of paypal for the entire state because of a recent law.

*lives in NC, can still use Pay Pal, is confused*

 

[Maren]

*lives in NC, can still use Pay Pal, is confused*

As I said before, more evidence that the AFA plays fast and loose with actual facts -- though I apparently glossed over the second part, distracted by the first part (that it is about bathrooms) that is untrue. Yes, PayPal is just not opening offices they had planned to put in Charlotte, NC; they'll still do business there, as they always have.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Yeah, can't miss out on that money.....transgender or not.....

 

[TerranceL]

Ok, they're hypocrites...

Now for the crucial question: So what?

They got what they wanted.

They don't actually give a damn about LGBT rights. They are using this to grandstand to make themselves look good instead of actually making a stand.

 

[TLK Valentine]

They don't actually give a damn about LGBT rights. They are using this to grandstand to make themselves look good instead of actually making a stand.

Which brings me back to the original question: so what?

 

[TerranceL]

Which brings me back to the original question: so what?

I'm just confused by your stance. It's clear from paste statements when it's someone you oppose politically you take issue with their hypocrisy.

You don't care that Paypal is only making this move to help advertise their service via free PR and doesn't actually give a darn about LGBT rights?

 

[TLK Valentine]

I'm just confused by your stance. It's clear from paste statements when it's someone you oppose politically you take issue with their hypocrisy.

You don't care that Paypal is only making this move to help advertise their service via free PR and doesn't actually give a darn about LGBT rights?

Well, they certainly don't care about LGBT rights outside the United States... it could be that they simply hold the US to a higher standard than those other countries.

But let's assume for a moment that they don't...

Taking issue with hypocrisy only means something if the person/people you're taking issue with care about being consistent. I assume, as a matter of course, that people on this forum care about consistency. I also assume the position that most multinational billion-dollar corporations don't care. Only an issue that threatens their cash flow is going to make them care, and this doesn't seem to rise to that level.

 

[Belk]

It is not bullying....this is how you get corporations attention....affect their bottom line and the CEO/COO/President will sit up and take notice....that is if they want to keep their jobs....

Then perhaps you should explain that to the OP since they are the one who considers it such.

 

[nightflight]

So you are boycotting pay pal because you think their boycotting NC was "bullying"? Would this not make you the exact same kind of bully?

The OP is punching up.

 

[farout]

paypal has steep fees. And there are alternatives out there. But there is another reason many conservative organizations are putting out an alert to close down all paypal accounts.

(here is a copy of my email to gary marino executive at paypal (gary@paypal.com)



I am a believer in the Bible, and I do not like people bullying others into views that go against their conscience or religion. People even before capitalism, flocked to america because of this freedom of religion.

I am closing my account at paypal based solely on an american family action alert last week.

I will post the link for you to read.

It accuses paypal of bullying a state to accept co-ed bathroom policy. And denial of service of paypal for the entire state because of a recent law.

this is not acceptable on many levels.

please forward to the appropriate department.

thank you.

I also have forwarded the alert to everyone I know.

(your name here)

thank you.

Original citation and source of allegations: Action alert calling for closure of paypal accounts nation wide:
https://www.afa.net/who-is-afa/pres...and-national-cancellation-of-paypal-accounts/

this thread is not advice, as I am not stating to do so.

I am simply mentioning that others are doing this, and that I have in fact closed my account. mainly because ebay card payments now. The only thing I sacrificed was steep fees at paypal, and a warranty that may never be used. Ebay warranty or piece of mind is not really existent. But again, if you go to any flee market, you dont' get a warranty either.

my conscience is more important.

If you are really extreme on this issue,

you may want to know target is going genderless on their bathrooms too.

https://www.frcaction.org/get.cfm?i=WA16D54&f=WU16D08

some are boycotting them as well recently.

Please include TARGET in your boycott!

 

[cow451]

 

[The Cadet]

The OP is punching up.

So is Paypal, and doing so for the sake of people who are definitely being punched down on.

 

[Cimorene]

Paypal is just virtue signaling. They don't REALLY care about LBGT rights, how do we know this?

Here's a list of countries that have anti-lbgt laws, more than a handful of them proscribe death as the punishment.

https://76crimes.com/76-countries-where-homosexuality-is-illegal/

Here is a list of countries that Paypal serves:
https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/country-worldwide

Here's a small sample of the countries that they serve that have anti-lbgt laws:
Yemen
Mauritania
Nigeria
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Somalia
Indonesia
India
Kuwait
Sri Lanka
Belize
Guyana
Grenada
Jamaica
Russia

If Paypal really believes in what they are saying and aren't just moralizing hypocrites they will stop doing business in the above countries.

Isn't Paypal an American company? Maybe they just felt like making a stand in the US would be more likely to make a difference bc they're American too. Aren't there a lot of companies that do business in countries that have a ton of laws they don't agree w but nothing they do is going to change that? The Georgia law got scrapped bc of companies saying they'd boycott. Idk that anything a company could do would make a country like Saudi Arabia change any of their laws ever. Idk that they even need commerce from American companies so they could be like talk to the hand if an American company threatened to pull out bc of 1 of the many laws there that totally wouldn't fly in America. IMO it's more reasonable to want American states to have laws American companies can live w than to want the rest of the world to change for American companies.

 

[variant]

Well, they certainly don't care about LGBT rights outside the United States... it could be that they simply hold the US to a higher standard than those other countries.

Well I care more about the laws in the United States than I do in Qatar, It happens to be where I live.

 

[KCfromNC]

• The NFL (no, really, the NFL is ahead of you guys on this one, maybe it's time to take a good hard look at yourselves)

:%s/The NFL/NASCAR/g

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/nascar_denounces_north_carolina_s_anti_lgbt_law_hb2

 

[Murby]

It accuses paypal of bullying a state to accept co-ed bathroom policy. And denial of service of paypal for the entire state because of a recent law.

Well the second part of that is very much untrue.. I asked this question in another thread so I'm going to ask it again..

Is this the new business model of Christianity? Telling lies and twisting stories to fit an agenda? I sure hope not.

My second question:
Did the AFA boycott the catholic churches when they were molesting little children and doing ACTUAL harm? Or did they just sort of look the other way on that one?

Hypocrisy looks to be leading the way...

 

[The Cadet]

:%s/The NFL/NASCAR/g

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/nascar_denounces_north_carolina_s_anti_lgbt_law_hb2

....NASCAR.

Really.

NASCAR.

Guys, this should be raising red flags and ringing alarm bells.

 

[Four Angels Standing]

So you are boycotting pay pal because you think their boycotting NC was "bullying"? Would this not make you the exact same kind of bully?

Was the bus boycott long years ago and after Ms.Rosa Parks stood for her rights, or sat more like it, bullying the racist politicians that made the laws that put blacks at the back of the bus? And made it so that if a white person needed to sit on a full bus that that black person in their so called rightful place, had to give up their seat?

No, boycotting is exactly what it is defined as.

I had a PayPal account because I sell on eBay. I closed mine in protest of PayPal's bullying of the economy in NC.
I cut up my card and mailed it to them, the PayPal debit card that allows you to access the funds in the account when the monies transfer from the eBay sale, with a note as to why.

PayPal supposedly had plans to open a satelite office in NC and give over 300 jobs to citizens there? But scrapped it when the legislature obliged the will of the people, which is how it works in a Democratic Republic. And that was PayPal's option to do so as a business.
That option works both ways. They can elect to supposedly not open a business in NC and citizens in the USA can choose not to do business using PayPal.
And in protest of PayPal's bigotry against Democracy and the will of the people they left without those supposed 300+ jobs they were supposedly in the planning stages of offering North Carolinian's.

 

[Four Angels Standing]

Paypal is just virtue signaling. They don't REALLY care about LBGT rights, how do we know this?

Here's a list of countries that have anti-lbgt laws, more than a handful of them proscribe death as the punishment.

https://76crimes.com/76-countries-where-homosexuality-is-illegal/

Here is a list of countries that Paypal serves:
https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/country-worldwide

Here's a small sample of the countries that they serve that have anti-lbgt laws:
Yemen
Mauritania
Nigeria
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Somalia
Indonesia
India
Kuwait
Sri Lanka
Belize
Guyana
Grenada
Jamaica
Russia

If Paypal really believes in what they are saying and aren't just moralizing hypocrites they will stop doing business in the above countries.

Toss Egypt on that list. You know, where Sharia Law allows the murder of women, and excising the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] of young girls, and yet was not boycotted for those horrifically evil human rights violations by, "the boss" Bruce Springsteen, and Brian Adams. Who instead boycotted North Carolina's concert venue.
Where little girls remain in tact below the waist and no woman has yet had her head lopped off because she'd determined by Sharia to be responsible for her own rape.

I have a friend who's slicing up their PayPal card because they have a store on Zazzle. I'll forward them that list you've got there so when they write their own note to PayPal the point gets across that hypocrisy is recognized for what it is and a company that does business in countries like that isn't anyone's Pal.

 

[Four Angels Standing]

....NASCAR.

Really.

NASCAR.

Guys, this should be raising red flags and ringing alarm bells.

It's business. They're marketing to the LGBTQ community because they know they'll support any business that turns bigot toward a Democratic state government on behalf of a minorities rights to violate the privacy of the majority in question.

NASCAR! Please! They're about as good ol' boy marketing as you can get. And they're boycotting North Carolina?
These tactics are enacted because these companies want to bully the Democratic policies in a state. The companies should be boycotted for their anti-American, anti-Democratic bigotry and bullying.

Wouldn't that be a hoot? Next NASCAR race most of the bleachers are empty. I wonder if the camera's would pan and show that?
Or, better yet, the race is cancelled because the minimum in ticket pre-sales wasn't reached. Consumers have the power. One day we'll learn that.