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Really? A "bathroom bill" in NC is more important than the treatment of lgbt in say, Saudia Arabia? Taking a stand there would not speak volumes about how they view the issue? Come on, it is all about money and free publicity; if not they would have taken action in other places a long time before NC.Isn't Paypal an American company? Maybe they just felt like making a stand in the US would be more likely to make a difference bc they're American too. Aren't there a lot of companies that do business in countries that have a ton of laws they don't agree w but nothing they do is going to change that? The Georgia law got scrapped bc of companies saying they'd boycott. Idk that anything a company could do would make a country like Saudi Arabia change any of their laws ever. Idk that they even need commerce from American companies so they could be like talk to the hand if an American company threatened to pull out bc of 1 of the many laws there that totally wouldn't fly in America. IMO it's more reasonable to want American states to have laws American companies can live w than to want the rest of the world to change for American companies.
Was the bus boycott long years ago and after Ms.Rosa Parks stood for her rights, or sat more like it, bullying the racist politicians that made the laws that put blacks at the back of the bus? And made it so that if a white person needed to sit on a full bus that that black person in their so called rightful place, had to give up their seat?
No, boycotting is exactly what it is defined as.
I had a PayPal account because I sell on eBay. I closed mine in protest of PayPal's bullying of the economy in NC.
I cut up my card and mailed it to them, the PayPal debit card that allows you to access the funds in the account when the monies transfer from the eBay sale, with a note as to why.
How is overwriting a local law "obliging the will of the people"PayPal supposedly had plans to open a satelite office in NC and give over 300 jobs to citizens there? But scrapped it when the legislature obliged the will of the people, which is how it works in a Democratic Republic. And that was PayPal's option to do so as a business.
That option works both ways. They can elect to supposedly not open a business in NC and citizens in the USA can choose not to do business using PayPal.
And in protest of PayPal's bigotry against Democracy and the will of the people they left without those supposed 300+ jobs they were supposedly in the planning stages of offering North Carolinian's.
That wasn't the question put to you. You implied boycotting could be construed as bullying. That's why I posed the question about the bus boycott.Were the people boycotting the bus claiming that boycotting was bullying?
I believe boycotting PayPal is a viable form of protest. PayPal isn't boycotting NC. They're refusing to open the office they claimed they were planning to open in NC, making for hundreds of job opportunities lost, because they want to bully the Democratic process in NC.Se we are agreed that boycotting is not bullying and is a viable form of protest?
What is PayPal afraid of? When they bully NC government and cause the potential job loss for North Carolina residents totaling in the supposed hundreds.How does one bully an economy? Exactly what is an economy afraid of?
And I fully support your decision to do so.
You can look up the political practice of Democracy anywhere on-line.How is overwriting a local law "obliging the will of the people"
Yes, I know. Surprising isn't it how there could be those who claim that isn't right?I agree. If you disagree with Paypal's actions you should vote with your dollars and go elsewhere.
The principled stand is in boycotting PayPal for their inconsistent policy in bullying a state's legal process, when PayPal conducts business and even has offices one may infer in countries that commit great offenses against human civil rights and basic human decency. By law, under the current regime of politic.So when paypal boycotts it is bigotry and anti democratic but when you boycott it is a principled stand? That seems to be what you are saying here.
So is Paypal, and doing so for the sake of people who are definitely being punched down on.
Paypal serves over 250 nations, it's from California.Isn't Paypal an American company?
And they just happen to make this stand in a time and a place where it's not actually going to hurt them financially. They didn't protest any states when gay marriage wasn't the law of the land, losing most of the nation as a customer would have actually hurt. One small state? Not so much.Maybe they just felt like making a stand in the US would be more likely to make a difference bc they're American too.
Sure, how many of those companies are swearing off doing business in a state when the other countries they do business have laws that are considerably worse than the ones they are protesting.Aren't there a lot of companies that do business in countries that have a ton of laws they don't agree w but nothing they do is going to change that?
Paypal serves over 250 nations, it's from California.
And they just happen to make this stand in a time and a place where it's not actually going to hurt them financially. They didn't protest any states when gay marriage wasn't the law of the land, losing most of the nation as a customer would have actually hurt. One small state? Not so much.
Sure, how many of those companies are swearing off doing business in a state when the other countries they do business have laws that are considerably worse than the ones they are protesting.
Nice tap dance....noticed you did not answer the question asked......So yep, they're an American company. Idk that when SSM wasn't legal yet that had a major impact on their employee's lives during the business day. I mean sure it would have impacted some of them majorly in their personal lives but not the same as not being able to pee in peace during the work day.
It's an American company refusing to set up an office where Americans will work in an American state that has a law most other American states do not. They know that if a lot of American businesses refuse to do business in NC there's a way better chance of the law being repealed. Saudi Arabia wouldn't care if PayPal stopped operating there. Every American company operating there could withdraw & they'd just use it as a reason to hate America more. They wouldn't change their laws one bit so it would just be stupid. Totally not the same w NC. I think you're doing an apple to orange comparison TBH.
That wasn't the question put to you. You implied boycotting could be construed as bullying. That's why I posed the question about the bus boycott.
I believe boycotting PayPal is a viable form of protest. PayPal isn't boycotting NC. They're refusing to open the office they claimed they were planning to open in NC, making for hundreds of job opportunities lost, because they want to bully the Democratic process in NC.
What is PayPal afraid of? When they bully NC government and cause the potential job loss for North Carolina residents totaling in the supposed hundreds.
Remembering also that PayPal and the Dutch bank that also made news when they too said they were scrapping supposed plans to open in NC, that PayPal claims they were planning to open in NC.
Where's the proof? Claims are vapor, proof is in the pudding.
But to bolster their client base in reciprocal sponsorship from the LGBTQ community when PP and DB claim they're on the Transcommunities side and they'll not be opening in NC garners free publicity from the media coverage and chances to increase their client base from the LGBTQ community who reciprocate the support.
Meanwhile, what is often missed is that any number of people in the LGBTQ community out of a job in NC could have applied to PP or DB for one had they opened as "planned".
Further, as was listed, PP does business in countries where human rights are violated every day. No news yet that they're closing up shop and refusing to do business in those countries. Far more egregious trespass is committed in those countries listed than in NC where it is a bathroom issue only.
You can look up the political practice of Democracy anywhere on-line.
Yes, I know. Surprising isn't it how there could be those who claim that isn't right?
The principled stand is in boycotting PayPal for their inconsistent policy in bullying a state's legal process, when PayPal conducts business and even has offices one may infer in countries that commit great offenses against human civil rights and basic human decency. By law, under the current regime of politic.
If PayPal wanted to appear LGBTQ friendly they'd pull out their business out of any country that affords a death penalty for the openly gay, the Christian, the women found guilty under Sharia Law, etc...
Because barring a transsexual from the women's room when he is a fully endowed male is simply restricting a private place to pee.
If that women's room is said to be his right to enter because he'll be seated in the privacy of a stall with a door on it, the same argument is afforded in a men's room as well.
It is sexist to claim a man dressed as a woman, fully endowed as a male, is entitled to enter into a facility where women stand to be, and imply those women must feel safe, while arguing that fully endowed man dressed as a woman won't have the same privacy behind a men's room stall door, and yet fears for his safety among men.
That's sexist. It's saying women must concede they are safe with a full male dressed as a woman, but that full male dressed as a woman should fear for his safety among men.
When PP or DB for that matter, conduct business in middle eastern regions where transpeople, gays, women, etc... are murdered for being who they are, and yet PP and DB for that matter, refuse to do business in NC because they object to a man and woman's access to tinkle, there's a very serious disconnect in moral priorities on the part of PP and DB for that matter.
Why is Paypal supposed to fight foreign governments?
And they are renowned as a company for being LGBTQ-friendly.
One fight at a time ...
Really? A "bathroom bill" in NC is more important than the treatment of lgbt in say, Saudia Arabia?
Taking a stand there would not speak volumes about how they view the issue? Come on, it is all about money and free publicity; if not they would have taken action in other places a long time before NC.
Sounds like their moral stance can be sold out. Boycott a bathroom policy, but do trade with people who imprison and execute.
You sound surprised... why?
You sound like you have nothing to offer the discussion, why?You sound surprised... why?
Do you know that they actually do business with people who imprison and execute? Have you actually seen their records? Because not everyone in a country imprisons and executes. If you don't know for sure that they do business with those people, it's slanderous to say they do.Sounds like their moral stance can be sold out. Boycott a bathroom policy, but do trade with people who imprison and execute.
They don't actually give a damn about LGBT rights. They are using this to grandstand to make themselves look good instead of actually making a stand.
You sound like you have nothing to offer the discussion, why?
Why don't you explain it to us?their motivation is obvious...
Really? A "bathroom bill" in NC is more important than the treatment of lgbt in say, Saudia Arabia? Taking a stand there would not speak volumes about how they view the issue? Come on, it is all about money and free publicity; if not they would have taken action in other places a long time before NC.
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