Why Christians need Satan

[bt_st_At]

We don't even know for sure if Hitler went to hell

You know...to say the least....We don't even know there is a hell...But hey go on I'm all ears...

 

[Charles Darwin]

We don't even know for sure if Hitler went to hell, so no, we don't threaten people with hell.

You know thats not true if youve ever read some of Annabell Lee and Carico's arguments in some of the threads.

 

[Miss Shelby]

This is a perfect example of the ignorance and nonsensical beliefs about Christians we see here. I have known 400 or 500 Christians and I never once heard any one of them use that as an excuse. They recognize the spirit of anti-Christ and his lies, but they don't say "He made me do it." They know it is their responsibility just as OS has said.

They may not say, ''the devil made me do it" But how many of those 4-500 people have said that satan put something in their mind. I distintcly remember one woman telling me that satan was responsible for an argument she had with her husband.

I don't ever say the devil made me do it, as his spirit doesn't control me anymore. I sometimes however use it as an excuse for non-Christians.

Rad

Rad, this is pretty rude. I am surprised at you.

Michelle

 

[radorth]

You know thats not true if youve ever read some of Annabell Lee and Carico's arguments in some of the threads.

Well if it was truly a threat without any qualification, then I haven't seen it. Maybe you have. I don't know. But I suspect Carico knows God is the final judge and that he can turn anyone around who is even a little willing.

Rad

 

[Bonhoffer]

Humans have this thing were we feel we have to have someone to blame for all the things we do wrong. "Oh it was my sin's fault. Oh the Devil made me do it" We as people need to start taking responsiblity.

Any true Christian cannot use "The Devil made me do it" as an excuse.
Satan can't force someone to do wrong, only encourage. We have free will !
If I kill someone then its my fault although Satan may have given me the idea to do it. I have to free will to say "NO" to Satan.

 

[Miss Shelby]

Any true Christian cannot use "The Devil made me do it" as an excuse.

I have a big problem with this statement. Any true Christian cannot make a mistake? Is that what you are saying? If they use satan's trickery as an excuse they're not a true Christian? Come now.

Satan can't force someone to do wrong, only encourage. We have free will !
If I kill someone then its my fault although Satan may have given me the idea to do it. I have to free will to say "NO" to Satan.

Exactly. I agree. Temptation is a trick from the enemy. The only point that I was trying to make is that sometimes Christians use it as an excuse to justify their sinful behavior.

Other Christians in this thread seem to contend that if a Christian does this, they're not a Christian. With that I disagree.

Michelle

 

[bt_st_At]

Any true Christian cannot use "The Devil made me do it" as an excuse.
Satan can't force someone to do wrong, only encourage. We have free will !
If I kill someone then its my fault although Satan may have given me the idea to do it. I have to free will to say "NO" to Satan.

This perfectly makes my point that Humans are evil... We have freewill but when we decide to agree with the Evil that is telling us to kill someone then at least some part of us is evil. You call it sin...So why do we have to makeup this Devil when we can just blame oursleves. There would be no difference on earth at least from Pagan stand point with or without him/he/it. We are all evil it is no one's fault.

I don't believe God made the world to be a perfect place. What then would the point of "heaven" be? the world was given freewill and negitivity so that we could learn and grow spiritually and when we die we come back to learn more until we ourselves become Dieties.

 

[Outspoken]

I have a big problem with this statement. Any true Christian cannot make a mistake? Is that what you are saying? If they use satan's trickery as an excuse they're not a true Christian? Come now.
Exactly. I agree. Temptation is a trick from the enemy. The only point that I was trying to make is that sometimes Christians use it as an excuse to justify their sinful behavior.

Other Christians in this thread seem to contend that if a Christian does this, they're not a Christian. With that I disagree.

Michelle

You're reading too much into his words. Christians cannot use the excuse the devil made me do it, because he didn't. We do the sin, there is not excuse for it. We willfully commit sin, end of story. For anything to use the excuse, "the devil made me do it" is to show other christians that they are not repenting of their sin but passing the buck like adam and eve did in the beginning. They are being irrespondible and not being accountable for their actions.

 

[Miss Shelby]

You're reading too much into his words. Christians cannot use the excuse the devil made me do it, because he didn't. We do the sin, there is not excuse for it. We willfully commit sin, end of story. For anything to use the excuse, "the devil made me do it" is to show other christians that they are not repenting of their sin but passing the buck like adam and eve did in the beginning. They are being irrespondible and not being accountable for their actions.

I do not believe that I am reading too much into his words. He said that a 'true Christian' would not blame satan for them choosing to sin. From that I infered that if a professing Christian actually did this (which some do) then they aren't infact Christian, even though they think they are.

How bout we let him clarify his meaning?

Michelle

 

[bt_st_At]

You all have been saying how a Christian repents his "sins"....How many time must he do it?...People "Sin" so much in their lives what's the point of repenting when your just going to do again and again and again..."Sinning" as I believe and have observes seems to be like a Drug you never get enough of it.

 

[Lifesaver]

Repenting is an important part. Changing the way you act to sin less every time is another important part.

 

[bt_st_At]

But won't god get sick of you asking for forgiveness I mean continueing to sin is just as bad as not being christian (I'm looking at this through the eyes of a christian)

 

[radorth]

He said that a 'true Christian' would not blame satan for them choosing to sin.

A true Christian does not look for excuses to sin, butadmits personal fault. This does not mean it is totally impossible for a true Christian to put too much blame on whoever tempted him, however the Christian takes responsibility himself or herself. As has been said several times, we can say we were tempted by the devil without using it as an excuse. I'm not sure how much plainer we can make it, and I think Miss Shelby has simply misinterpreted what someone has said. The whole idea of being a Christian is to admit one's sin, not just one's temptations.

Rad

 

[radorth]

But won't god get sick of you asking for forgiveness I mean continueing to sin

He might, if you begin to judge others for the same things. Jesus made that plain in his parable of the two debtors and his imperatives about judging others.

Rad

 

[bt_st_At]

I have a question...Jesus died to clense his people and anyone who believed in him...So technically as long as you believe in him and repent your sins you are clean of your sins and therefore may continue on to heaven...

 

[Lifesaver]

bt_st, as I said, striving to sin less and do good are also important.

 

[radorth]

I have a question...Jesus died to clense his people and anyone who believed in him...So technically as long as you believe in him and repent your sins you are clean of your sins and therefore may continue on to heaven...

Yes. Faith is accounted as righteousness. (Rom 5)

Rad

 

[dlamberth]

This doesn't apply to all, but to a great majority of Christian's they need Satan just as much as they need Jesus. For with out Satan, they have no reason for the blood of Christ.

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[Amandine]

That again, is man giving in to his temptations. Satan is just one player.
-Catherine

 

[Boanerge]

We have a problem with Satan? I have problems with many things that we label. sometimes i ask myself, how can we label "Nothing"? literally nothing doesn't exist. When you close your eyes what do you see? Nothing? Darkness? Formless things? But isn't darkness something? Now we seem to know what "Nothing" is, how can this be? Does "Nothing" exist then? But is "Nothing" true to its name? I probably sound like a Zen Monk, but if we can't understand "Nothing" how can we understand Satan? ummmmmmm....

How about Emptiness? Void? Is it something? is it nothing? Can we hold it? Yet we describe it like an object?

It all depends on how you hold it up to the light, how do you see it?

It seems that,we as individuals, see things differently. And the human language doesn't help in sharing our views.

Ok. If I showed you a big white paper with a black dot in the center. What is it? Is the Black dot the only thing? Is it something? What if i said the picture is really a hole in the wall. What then? The Black dot becomes nothing? Is the White part now the focus of the picture? But who is right? Is there an answer?

Maybe it's just the human langauge, its limiting, and it destroys. it distorts.

When God made man, he breathed a breath of life in them. That breath can only be corrupted through free will. Satan can touch everything else, because he owns everything else, but he can not touch that "soul". But the soul can touch corruption. I have heard the saying "you are what you think" When you hold on dearly to the temporary things of this world, you become one with this world. But if the World goes, guess what, you holding on to it, you go too.

By the way, to make things even more complicated, its easier to hold on to the world. But its harder to let it go. A Christian however lives seperated. their home becomes their enemy. This is why Jesus says "I did not come to bring peace."

What then? should i be scared? Oh not at all, im actually relieved to know that i can let this go and hold on to something better. and letting go is an act of seperation. IT doesn't have to be evil to "divide" or let go. Actually letting go of the past is a positive move. d a r n this english language....

But it all depends on how you see it. Like the picture, which was right? The Lonley Black dot? or the White wall with a hole? how about this, both are right, because you have multiplied the chances of making sense of the picture.

One view alone is corruption in itself.

This is what defeats many christians. They forget that they see many angles and that other people have yet to see certain angles. So christians make claims, that seem absolute, while the hearer asks "But how are they so sure?" But they can't explain it. You have to be in their brain to see what they see.

So satan is how the christian makes sense of the world.

But try blaming something on "Nothing".

Satan is only powerful when someone does not Have God on the other hand.

Just Like "Nothing" only exists when someone doesn't have "Something" on the other hand.

Hence the term. "Nothing is impossible with God."