Why Christian nations are not acting Christian

[James_Lai]

Hello.
In the non-Christian non-Western world people love developed science, economics etc of the West. However, they see the Christian West as an epitome of evil on the global scene…. Wars, occupations, colonizations, robbing the nations, exploitation, slavery, opium trade, genocide, etc

There’s a disconnect between Christian teaching and actions of governments for many centuries up until today.

Why do you think there’s such stark contrast?

 

[Jake Arsenal]

Because Christian government can only exist when headed by Christ.(Isaiah 9:6-7) Since He is not currently heading any earthly government, no Christian government currently exists.

 

[eleos1954]

Hello.
In the non-Christian non-Western world people love developed science, economics etc if the West. However, they see the Christian West as an epitome of evil on the global scene…. Wars, occupations, colonizations, robbing the nations, exploitation, spavery, opium trade, genocide, etc

There’s a disconnect between Christian teaching and actions of governments for many centuries up until today.

Why do you think there’s such stark contrast?

Ponting the finger at others takes the focus off yourself.

Matthew 7:1-5

“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

Our Christian roots have been eroding since the birth of our nation .... and no doubt will continue to do so .... sadly.

 

[d taylor]

The kingdoms of the earth belong to satan for now.

 

[Halbhh]

Hello.
In the non-Christian non-Western world people love developed science, economics etc if the West. However, they see the Christian West as an epitome of evil on the global scene…. Wars, occupations, colonizations, robbing the nations, exploitation, spavery, opium trade, genocide, etc

There’s a disconnect between Christian teaching and actions of governments for many centuries up until today.

Why do you think there’s such stark contrast?

In order to get more followers, Tyrants need to hide their real motive, which is power.

Therefore, things like God, Nation, the flag, ethnicity, the Bible, anything highly valued/respected... these are very useful for those that want worldly power.

In order to disguise themselves.

Of course in a nation predominantly Christian, the tyrant will use Christianity for this purpose of gaining power. Example: Donald Trump.

Also, for very long America has allowed presidents to mistreat other nations.

 

[Sketcher]

Hello.
In the non-Christian non-Western world people love developed science, economics etc if the West. However, they see the Christian West as an epitome of evil on the global scene…. Wars, occupations, colonizations, robbing the nations, exploitation, spavery, opium trade, genocide, etc

There’s a disconnect between Christian teaching and actions of governments for many centuries up until today.

Why do you think there’s such stark contrast?

Please specify as to which "Christian nations" you are referring.
Please also specify which non-Christian, non-Western nations you consider "good."

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Hello.
In the non-Christian non-Western world people love developed science, economics etc if the West. However, they see the Christian West as an epitome of evil on the global scene…. Wars, occupations, colonizations, robbing the nations, exploitation, spavery, opium trade, genocide, etc

There’s a disconnect between Christian teaching and actions of governments for many centuries up until today.

Why do you think there’s such stark contrast?

It's a carry-over from when countries would choose a state religion. They are called Christian Nations, but no judicial system could function on grace. Nations always fall short since law is always a required element, and the spiritual transformation required is absent.

 

[jamiec]

Hello.
In the non-Christian non-Western world people love developed science, economics etc if the West. However, they see the Christian West as an epitome of evil on the global scene…. Wars, occupations, colonizations, robbing the nations, exploitation, spavery, opium trade, genocide, etc

There’s a disconnect between Christian teaching and actions of governments for many centuries up until today.

Why do you think there’s such stark contrast?

I think the loss of a Christian worldview, and the growth of multiculturalism & of libertarian secularism, have a lot to do with it.

 

[Martinius]

Nations cannot be Christian. The people can be, and the government may authorize only one official religion, but nations themselves are otherwise non-religious.

However, they see the Christian West as an epitome of evil on the global scene…. Wars, occupations, colonizations, robbing the nations, exploitation, slavery, opium trade, genocide,

Yes, nations identified as Christian have been at the forefront of many of the evils you mention. But some non-Christian nations are not far behind, and may be ahead. Currently, exploitation is very obvious, but much of it is done by corporations and private enterprises, not be governments. However, governments do support those businesses, so they are involved, even if just indirectly.

There’s a disconnect between Christian teaching and actions of governments for many centuries up until today.

Very true, but self-interest and greed override Christian teachings.

However, you cannot judge all of western "Christian" governments by a few, especially the U.S. It is interesting to me that some of the least overtly religious countries in the West are, as a whole, the most Christian in their actions and initiatives. These include the "social welfare" nations (not socialist, that's different) who seem to focus most on caring for their own, but also lend a hand to others in need. They try to be peace makers and healers, rather than exploiters of other countries, their people and their resources.

Right now, the most exploitative country is China, which is trying buy allegiance from other countries, especially those in Africa with much needed rare earth minerals and other resources. The U.S. is losing out in that part of the world, and we may get shut out of the markets for the very things we need to power our economy. And China is definitely not a Christian country.

 

[James_Lai]

Because Christian government can only exist when headed by Christ.(Isaiah 9:6-7) Since He is not currently heading any earthly government, no Christian government currently exists.

But how come the leading religious ideology has zero effect at all? For many centuries till today

 

[Martinius]

But how come the leading religious ideology has zero effect at all? For many centuries till today

I don't think we can say "zero effect" but it is certainly very low. Governments are comprised of people, and those people have to want to promote Christian (or other religious) values. Most self-proclaimed Christians in government don't. Morality and ethical behavior is not a strong point in governmental bodies, especially at the national level. I would submit that it is much easier to see the effects of Christian beliefs on the local level.

 

[dqhall]

Hello.
In the non-Christian non-Western world people love developed science, economics etc of the West. However, they see the Christian West as an epitome of evil on the global scene…. Wars, occupations, colonizations, robbing the nations, exploitation, slavery, opium trade, genocide, etc

There’s a disconnect between Christian teaching and actions of governments for many centuries up until today.

Why do you think there’s such stark contrast?

The Japanese had Chinese slaves in WWII. China uses slave prison labor. People disappear in China without public trials. Where is Jack Ma? Some Chinese tennis player complained about being raped and disappeared. The Chinese arrested Christian pastors and blew up a megachurch. North Koreans suffer some of the worse poverty and human rights abuses in the world. Many in Asian nations are intolerant of other people’s religion or are atheist. The east is blind to it own faults. Easier to criticize others than admit one’s own sins.

 

[James_Lai]

Because Christian government can only exist when headed by Christ.(Isaiah 9:6-7) Since He is not currently heading any earthly government, no Christian government currently exists.

Makes sense. But my quesrion is how is it of a majority of population claims to embrace certain values, but then the country as a whole consistently acts contrary to those values. Fir example, is dterminating local population of colonozed lands… All the while building churches and following the Bible. I can’t figure it out

 

[James_Lai]

Ponting the finger at others takes the focus off yourself.

Matthew 7:1-5

“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

Our Christian roots have been eroding since the birth of our nation .... and no doubt will continue to do so .... sadly.

Even before the birth of the nation there was extermination of native populations, warring for land and dominance, slavery etc

 

[James_Lai]

The kingdoms of the earth belong to satan for now.

What does it mean exactly? Satan controls those nations? Why he doesn’t control benevolent nations?

 

[James_Lai]

In order to get more followers, Tyrants need to hide their real motive, which is power.

Therefore, things like God, Nation, the flag, ethnicity, the Bible, anything highly valued/respected... these are very useful for those that want worldly power.

In order to disguise themselves.

Of course in a nation predominantly Christian, the tyrant will use Christianity for this purpose of gaining power. Example: Donald Trump.

Also, for very long America has allowed presidents to mistreat other nations.

Thank you. This is an interesting explanation. But some atrocities are perpetrated by thousands if not millions. So to say an insividual such as a leader is acting badly and using Christianity as an excuse and blinding everyone, but how about people who underdstabd what’s going on? Or who perpetrate bad evil actions directly? Don’t they realize what they’re doing is wrong?

This really interests me. I read a lot about history of wars, and one German soldier who burnt a Ukranian village during WWII with some people in the houses when captured did not feel any remorse. He was a devout Lutheran Christian, carried a pocket NT, prayed every morning etc. He said, I got an order to burn the village fast, so I didn’t waste time to check if there were people inside when burning the houses. He absolutely considered himself to be totally innocent - he said I was simply following orders…. Women, old men, kids were most of his victims…

 

[James_Lai]

Please specify as to which "Christian nations" you are referring.
Please also specify which non-Christian, non-Western nations you consider "good."

Generally. I’m not saying non-Christian or non-Western are good. It’s not about who’s bad or who’s good. Black and white is an oversimplified view, the world is more complex. But I’m seriousely interested how a supposedly humane and loving teaching produces monstrous societies capable of perpetrating unimaginable evil.

 

[James_Lai]

It's a carry-over from when countries would choose a state religion. They are called Christian Nations, but no judicial system could function on grace. Nations always fall short since law is always a required element, and the spiritual transformation required is absent.

Interesting explanation, thank you

So you’re saying religion isn’t adequate for real life. And what religion prescribes is not implemented? Two aspects

 

[James_Lai]

I think the loss of a Christian worldview, and the growth of multiculturalism & of libertarian secularism, have a lot to do with it.

Are yoi referring to the past 50-60 years or so? How about even before that time in previous centuries? It wasn’t nice

 

[James_Lai]

Nations cannot be Christian. The people can be, and the government may authorize only one official religion, but nations themselves are otherwise non-religious.

Yes, nations identified as Christian have been at the forefront of many of the evils you mention. But some non-Christian nations are not far behind, and may be ahead. Currently, exploitation is very obvious, but much of it is done by corporations and private enterprises, not be governments. However, governments do support those businesses, so they are involved, even if just indirectly.
Very true, but self-interest and greed override Christian teachings.

However, you cannot judge all of western "Christian" governments by a few, especially the U.S. It is interesting to me that some of the least overtly religious countries in the West are, as a whole, the most Christian in their actions and initiatives. These include the "social welfare" nations (not socialist, that's different) who seem to focus most on caring for their own, but also lend a hand to others in need. They try to be peace makers and healers, rather than exploiters of other countries, their people and their resources.

Right now, the most exploitative country is China, which is trying buy allegiance from other countries, especially those in Africa with much needed rare earth minerals and other resources. The U.S. is losing out in that part of the world, and we may get shut out of the markets for the very things we need to power our economy. And China is definitely not a Christian country.

Why is it that the least Christian countries among the Western post-Christian are the most Christian in actions?

Power and greed overturns. How? if we take a big population who are Christian, and you make them support non Christian actions or perform them, what do a govt and banks/corporations have to do to ensure the population plays into their interests? How they manage to effectively turn off Christianity while majority devout Christians? This is a big big mistery

Like two layers, one in religion another in actions and they do not necessarily overlap