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They're not trying to reach non-believers--they're trying to defend against them.Why does it always come down to threats? Do evangelicals really believe this is the best way of trying to reach a non-believer?
It's just sad.
They're not trying to reach non-believers--they're trying to defend against them.
Yeah, but we're all involved in a conspiracy to deny the Bible and its promise of retribution for our hedonistic lifestyle. We're out to destroy their faith with atheistic science.Defend against what though?
Anyone who is secure in their own faith shouldn't feel threatened by a non-believer I would think.
Yeah, but we're all involved in a conspiracy to deny the Bible and its promise of retribution for our hedonistic lifestyle. We're out to destroy their faith with atheistic science.
It's reality, not threats.Why does it always come down to threats?
It's reality, not threats.
We separate ourselves from God until the final separation. Not willing to say to God, "Thy will be done," we stand at the throne of judgment and hear the words, "Thy will be done." and thus the separation from God goes on for eternity. It's all by choice. God doesn't cast you out of eternity. You do that yourself.
Have you ever employed hedonistic calculus to make a decision?What I want to know is when I am going to get in on the hedonistic lifestyle?
And here listening to you I got the impression that none of that mattered as long as we believe in a young Earth and a worldwide flood.It's reality, not threats.
We temporarily inhabit this world while we are tested and our character is determined. We do not know how much longer we have; 50 years or twenty minutes. We hear the Lord knocking at our souls but we are more interested in the sounds and distractions of the world around us. We live lives of rebellion, not thinking about tomorrow. We abuse drugs, our spouses and our children. With each year we grow increasingly cynical. We try to convince ourselves there isn't a greater authority by gruffly spouting out disbelief to all who will hear. We separate ourselves from God until the final separation. Not willing to say to God, "Thy will be done," we stand at the throne of judgment and hear the words, "Thy will be done." and thus the separation from God goes on for eternity. It's all by choice. God doesn't cast you out of eternity. You do that yourself.
I love this line, my dad uses it all the time. I can point to places in the Bible where God does the evicting (for example Matthew 7:21-23). What my dad has failed to do is show me where in the Bible it is man who says "God doesn't get to throw me out of heaven, I do. I choose to pick up my things and walk away." Perhaps you could help?God doesn't cast you out of eternity. You do that yourself.
I love this line, my dad uses it all the time. I can point to places in the Bible where God does the evicting (for example Matthew 7:21-23). What my dad has failed to do is show me where in the Bible it is man who says "God doesn't get to throw me out of heaven, I do. I choose to pick up my things and walk away." Perhaps you could help?
Did they choose not to enter or were they stopped from entering?Hebrews 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
Ever heard of Judas Iscariot?Try again.
Played a key role in getting Jesus killed, so without him your religion wouldn't exist but but still given bad press by most Christians? I'm trying very hard to work out how you can twist his story to show man choosing to walk away from heaven. Go on, show me.Ever heard of Judas Iscariot?
You have to have a foundation from which morality is based. Your morality has roots in nothingness.
If you want to have a better understanding, Norman L. Geisler wrote the following in his book A Popular Survey of the Old Testament, Baker Book House, Grand Rapids, 1977. He writes:
"Several factors must be kept in mind in viewing this situation. (1) There is a difference between murder and justifiable killing. Murder involves intentional and malicious hatred which leads to life-taking. On the other hand, the Bible speaks of permissible life-taking in capital punishment (Gen. 9, in self defense (Exod. 22:2), and in a justifiable war (Gen. 14). (2) The Canaanites were by no means innocent. They were a people cursed of God from their very beginning (Gen. 9:25). They were a vile people who practiced the basest forms of immorality. God described their sin vividly in these words, “I punished its iniquity, and the land vomited out its inhabitants” (Lev. 18:25). (3) Further, the innocent people of the land were not slaughtered. The story of Sodom and Gomorrah clearly demonstrates that God would save a whole city for ten righteous people (Gen. 18:22f.). In that incident, when God could not find ten righteous people, He took the four or five righteous ones out of the place so as not to destroy them with the wicked (Gen. 19:15). On another occasion God saved some thirty-two thousand people who were morally pure (Num. 31:35). Another notable example is Rahab, whom God saved because she believed (cf. Heb. 11:31). (4) God waited patiently for hundreds of years, giving the wicked inhabitants of Canaan time to repent (cf. 2 Peter 3:9) before He finally decided to destroy them (Gen. 15:16). When their iniquity was “full,” divine judgment fell. God’s judgment was akin to surgery for cancer or amputation of a leg as the only way to save the rest of a sick body. Just as cancer or gangrene contaminates the physical body, those elements in a society—if their evil is left to fester—will completely contaminate the rest of society. (5) Finally, the battle confronting Israel was not simply a religious war; it was a theocratic war. Israel was directly ruled by God and the extermination was God’s direct command (cf. Exod. 23:27-30; Deut. 7:3-6; Josh. 8:24-26). No other nation either before or after Israel has been a theocracy. Thus, those commands were unique. Israel as a theocracy was an instrument of judgment in the hands of God. source
Not having any understanding of the above, you presume to be more moral than God whom you accuse of murder.
The Lord gives, the Lord takes away.
They were like the Jihadists of today; parasites who live to destroy.
Why does it always come down to threats? Do evangelicals really believe this is the best way of trying to reach a non-believer?
It's just sad.
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