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Why Christian Creationists Hate Evolution but Muslim Creationists Don’t Care

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Harun Yaha says otherwise. Oddly enough, his material is tremendously popular with Christian Creationists.

Edited to add - that actually is a quite interesting article. I would suggest folks read it before commenting.
 
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Harun Yaha says otherwise. Oddly enough, his material is tremendously popular with Christian Creationists.

"In more recent years, Adnan Oktar has been known for his televangelism on his TV channel, A9 TV, noted especially for featuring 'kittens', his female devotees. His organization is commonly referred to as a cult, and he has been described as the "most notorious cult leader in Turkey."

Adnan Oktar - Wikipedia

Who would have thought? An Islamic cult leader having a Christian fanbase? lolz, now I've seen everything....
 
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It works both ways. Evolutionist arn't best buddies with YEC'ers and they are very hostile to any suggestion of allowing creation and evolution to be examined in schools as part of science.

Thats because creationism is not science, and should not be taught as such, keep that in Sunday School...
 
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It works both ways. Evolutionist arn't best buddies with YEC'ers and they are very hostile to any suggestion of allowing creation and evolution to be examined in schools as part of science.
That isn't what "both ways" means
 
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It works both ways. Evolutionist arn't best buddies with YEC'ers and they are very hostile to any suggestion of allowing creation and evolution to be examined in schools as part of science.
You didn't read the article, did you?
 
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"For some Christian creationists, the scientific theory of evolution is an existential threat to their faith—one they feel they must publicly oppose. “There is a war in society,” writes Ken Ham, the founder of Kentucky’s Creation Museum, in an excerpt of his book. “The essence of the conflict lies firmly at the foundational level—creation versus evolution.”

Some Muslims Don’t Believe in Evolution Either. Why Are Christians So Much More Zealous About It?

Because Muslims have more important things to do.
 
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Why Christian Creationists Hate Evolution

Is that the truth? From what I've read in debates on evolution on this forum, mocking generally and clearly comes from atheists and so called agnostics (so called because they usually take a clear stand).
 
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Harun Yaha says otherwise. Oddly enough, his material is tremendously popular with Christian Creationists.

Yeah, both Yaha as well as christian creationists frequently copy-past eachothers lies and merely change the muslim sounding words into christian sounding words and vice versa.

If you would remove all the muslim/christian-specific terminology and replace it all with generic theistic terminology... nobody would notice the difference. It's the exact same nonsense.

Even William Lame Craig's main argument, Kalaam, is a muslim argument. It was introduced by Al-gezhali (not sure of spelling). Curiously enough, the introduction and spread of this argument corrolates with the end of Islam's "golden age", when Baghdad was like the epicenter of science and religious tolerance (really).

Kalaam destroyed that culture and plummethed the "ummah" into some kind of dark ages. They are still stuck in that mentality. Which is why a single western university puts out more science papers annually then the entire islamic middle east combined.

I wonder if William's fans are aware of that fact... that his main (or at least, one of his main) arguments is actually really an argument that was basically stolen from islamic scholars.
 
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It works both ways. Evolutionist arn't best buddies with YEC'ers and they are very hostile to any suggestion of allowing creation and evolution to be examined in schools as part of science.

The difference is that "evolutionists" have the high ground.

Nobody should tolerate religious myth in science classes.
 
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Is that the truth? From what I've read in debates on evolution on this forum, mocking generally and clearly comes from atheists and so called agnostics (so called because they usually take a clear stand).

Indeed.

Just like flat earthers are mocked by rational people.

Some ideas don't deserve anything more then mocking and ridicule.
 
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Is that the truth? From what I've read in debates on evolution on this forum, mocking generally and clearly comes from atheists and so called agnostics (so called because they usually take a clear stand).

Agnostics claims that there is insufficient or no evidence of A God or Gods, and has nothing to do with understanding or accepting ToE, same with Atheists.

And this article is not about Atheist vs creationist,...it's about the resistance to ToE between Christian creationist vs Muslim Creationist

If you read the article, it would explain much better than I can...
 
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Hi all,

Ahhh, how we love to use 'emotionally charging' words to defend out positions. Why do creationists 'hate' evolutionary thoughts and ideas?

I can only speak for myself, but the word to describe my attitude of evolutionary thinking isn't 'hate'. I just don't agree that it's true. Yes, I've read the information and data points on both sides of the equation, but for me, as a born again believer, the only witness I know to have been there at the beginning was God. Man didn't come about until the sixth day and so there has never been a man alive, save for Jesus, who has first hand, experiential knowledge of how it all started. Only God was there and He has given His testimony of the first cause of how we got to be where we are today.

Only those with the Spirit of God have any hope of understanding the things of God. So, again for me, I fully understand that others don't see things as I do. The Scriptures seem to clearly paint a picture that shows that mankind, as time passes and we march inexorably to the end that is coming, isn't going to be more and more loving and understanding of the things of God. No! Quite the contrary. Mankind is going to walk in the direction that leads them further and further away from loving and understanding God. I understand this and I believe, based on experiential data of living my life and watching the things that are happening in the world, that such a course is not only inevitable as the Scriptures declare, but is happening today. Now! As we live in this world today, those born with the Spirit of God can clearly see the wickedness and deceitfulness of mankind as a group.

But, let me be clear. I don't 'hate' evolutionary theory. I just know that it isn't the truth to explain the how and why I'm here.

God bless
In Christ, ted
 
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Hi all,

Ahhh, how we love to use 'emotionally charging' words to defend out positions. Why do creationists 'hate' evolutionary thoughts and ideas?

I can only speak for myself, but the word to describe my attitude of evolutionary thinking isn't 'hate'. I just don't agree that it's true. Yes, I've read the information and data points on both sides of the equation, but for me, as a born again believer, the only witness I know to have been there at the beginning was God. Man didn't come about until the sixth day and so there has never been a man alive, save for Jesus, who has first hand, experiential knowledge of how it all started. Only God was there and He has given His testimony of the first cause of how we got to be where we are today.

Only those with the Spirit of God have any hope of understanding the things of God. So, again for me, I fully understand that others don't see things as I do. The Scriptures seem to clearly paint a picture that shows that mankind, as time passes and we march inexorably to the end that is coming, isn't going to be more and more loving and understanding of the things of God. No! Quite the contrary. Mankind is going to walk in the direction that leads them further and further away from loving and understanding God. I understand this and I believe, based on experiential data of living my life and watching the things that are happening in the world, that such a course is not only inevitable as the Scriptures declare, but is happening today. Now! As we live in this world today, those born with the Spirit of God can clearly see the wickedness and deceitfulness of mankind as a group.

But, let me be clear. I don't 'hate' evolutionary theory. I just know that it isn't the truth to explain the how and why I'm here.

God bless
In Christ, ted

You do understand that your position is based on faith rite? But that is your choice, and you are free to do so. The only problem non believers have is when creationist tries to pass off creationism as science and demand that it is taught as such. If it remains within the domain of religion, nobody would take issue with it.
 
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Some Muslims Don’t Believe in Evolution Either. Why Are Christians So Much More Zealous About It?
Matthew 13:45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
Matthew 13:46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.


We have something worth defending.
 
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Some ideas don't deserve anything more then mocking and ridicule.
But it's okay to teach our children about Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy, isn't it?
 
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You do understand that your position is based on faith rite? But that is your choice, and you are free to do so. The only problem non believers have is when creationist tries to pass off creationism as science and demand that it is taught as such. If it remains within the domain of religion, nobody would take issue with it.

Hi JD,

Yes, I fully understand that. But it is not a faith based on nothing. It is a faith based on a testimony that, for me, has quite a bit of available 'proof' that it's true. I would never equate creationism to science. It isn't. It's just the truth. Yes, yes, I fully understand that you're not going to agree with that final statement. That's ok with me.

As a matter of fact, I would deny wholeheartedly that creationism is scientific in any way. It is miraculous. It is the work of God and the things that God does can never be proven or studied scientifically. Let me give you a couple of examples:

God can make water stand straight up all by itself. No walls to hold it in place. No supports of any kind. According to His testimony and the testimony of the people who passed through the sea on dry ground, He parted the sea and as His people passed through to safety on the other side, the water stood as a sentinel on both the right and left hand as they passed through. Now, friend, scientifically that's impossible!!!!!! That absolutely without a doubt cannot happen because we know that an immutable fact of the nature of water is that it will seek its level. Even when a giant wave comes crashing on shore, within moments that water that was standing above the rest of the water due to the force of the wave current will level itself as it climbs the shore. In this case, we're surely talking about water standing up for at least a couple of hours as the people crossed through. That's just absolutely, unequivocally impossible. Scientifically we all know it's impossible. There is no question by all the rules and studies of science that it didn't happen. But God's word says that it did.

The Scriptures account for us that Jesus, my Savior, was born of a virgin. Friend, scientifically and medically that's just absolutely impossible. There is absolutely, even today, no way that a woman can become pregnant without human sperm fertilizing her egg. It can now be done outside of the woman's body, but it still requires these two basic ingredients. One of which needs to come from a man. He can [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] into a bottle and his sperm be drawn out with a needle and punctured into the female's egg, but it still requires those two basic ingredients. According to the Scriptures, that isn't how the birth of Jesus came about. Mary protested to the angel who visited her with the news, that such a thing cannot be, for she had never 'been with' a man.

Now, we can all make up in our mind some explanation to explain away the impossibility of what the Scriptures tell us happened. We can believe in our hearts that she was raped and made some attempt to hide it. We can believe that Joseph and Mary fooled around before their marriage and also worked together to hide that by concocting this outrageous story. We can just believe that this life of some man named Jesus who lived 2,000 years ago in Israel is all some wildly elaborate hoax perpetrated on the world. But then we read about Jesus' life and the things that he did, and for those who believe that the Scriptures are truthful in what they tell us, there really isn't anyway that Jesus wasn't born under the exact circumstances that the Scriptures proclaim that he was born.

But yes, it's all believed on faith by those who are born with the Spirit of God. That's exactly what the Scriptures say of those who are God's children. My righteous ones shall live by faith. Paul writes that it is by faith that we believe any of it.

For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.” Romans 1:17

It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. Romans 4:13

For we live by faith, not by sight. 2 Corinthians 5:7

Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. This is what the ancients were commended for. By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible. By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead. By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.” For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God. And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him. By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that is in keeping with faith. By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God.
And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she considered him faithful who had made the promise. And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore. All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them. By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had embraced the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son, even though God had said to him, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.”
Abraham reasoned that God could even raise the dead, and so in a manner of speaking he did receive Isaac back from death. By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau in regard to their future. By faith Jacob, when he was dying, blessed each of Joseph’s sons, and worshiped as he leaned on the top of his staff. By faith Joseph, when his end was near, spoke about the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt and gave instructions concerning the burial of his bones. By faith Moses’ parents hid him for three months after he was born, because they saw he was no ordinary child, and they were not afraid of the king’s edict. By faith Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be known as the son of Pharaoh’s daughter. He chose to be mistreated along with the people of God rather than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin. He regarded disgrace for the sake of Christ as of greater value than the treasures of Egypt, because he was looking ahead to his reward. By faith he left Egypt, not fearing the king’s anger; he persevered because he saw him who is invisible. By faith he kept the Passover and the application of blood, so that the destroyer of the firstborn would not touch the firstborn of Israel. By faith the people passed through the Red Sea as on dry land; but when the Egyptians tried to do so, they were drowned. By faith the walls of Jericho fell, after the army had marched around them for seven days. By faith the prostitute Rahab, because she welcomed the spies, was not killed with those who were disobedient. And what more shall I say? I do not have time to tell about Gideon, Barak, Samson and Jephthah, about David and Samuel and the prophets, who through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, and gained what was promised; who shut the mouths of lions, quenched the fury of the flames, and escaped the edge of the sword; whose weakness was turned to strength; and who became powerful in battle and routed foreign armies. Women received back their dead, raised to life again. Hebrews 11

Yes, I do solemnly affirm that what I believe is strictly and only by faith in the one true and living God and that He has shown through the resurrection of His Son to life after he was put to death on the earth, that He can do the same for anyone who will come to Him in faith. I'm counting on that.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted
 
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