Why choose five smooth stones?

[visionary]

Let me get this straight!......a small shepard boy in a battle to the death with a Giant, whose spear, practically weighs more than his opponent, and your under the impression that this fight WASN'T COMPLETELY RESTING IN THE LORDS HANDS!.......like all bible stories, numbers mean things, and are in themselves a story, that is why God chose to record them, if the number of stones was irrelevent, we would not even had a record of it.

We are not to get ourselves into situations where we are testing God. In other words, when you jump off the cliff don't expect the Lord to send angels to rescue you.

Matthew 4:7
Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’ ”

 

[Pinchme]

I have heard one reasoning that when David heard about Goliath, he took one but when he heard that Goliath had 4 relatives who were also giants (this is scriptural), he took up the extra 4 stones. I don't know, but a possibility!

This is correct in my opinion. The others seen Goliath fall and they ran scared from a little boy. GO DAVID!!!!!!!

When you look at the 5 virgins this is the same story Jesus was touching on, Be prepared.

 

[Pinchme]

I think there's a lot of depth to this. Is Jesus not our Rock? 5 refers to Grace and Truth. Jesus was completely filled with both. How do we defeat the giants of our flesh, if not by the fullness of Christ?

With this scripture Jesus says, "search the scriptures for in them ye think ye have eternal life, they are they which testify of me."

People demand to tie the Messiah to the OT every story, hook, line and sinker. and that is not what this scriptures says. There are 1000's of Jesus Chrsit prophecies tied to the OT that are not correct. Ive seen a top of 6 so far. There is not many. IMHO

 

[razeontherock]

We are not to get ourselves into situations where we are testing God. In other words, when you jump off the cliff don't expect the Lord to send angels to rescue you.

Matthew 4:7
Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’ ”

So I wanna know about David killing the lion, and the bear ...

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Mabye it's just me..but perhaps David just choose 5 stones to do so rather than doing so for any spiritual reason--and perhaps it can be the case that trying to find meaning in it may be reading too much into the situation. From a logical standpoint, as loading a couple of bullets in a gun rather than filling the barrel doesn't mean one's trying to do anything special, the same may be possible of David. For the text never mentions what his motives were, though he was a warrior and was skilled enough...so having to load up as normally may not have been necessary for killing Goliath.

 

[razeontherock]

David was a warrior? A skilled warrior?

 

[pat34lee]

David was a warrior? A skilled warrior?

At the time, I would imagine that all of the young men of Israel were trained to fight as they grew up, except for the Levites.

 

[TanteBelle]

At the time, I would imagine that all of the young men of Israel were trained to fight as they grew up, except for the Levites.

I agree that all young men would have been had some kind of knowledge about combat. The Levites, I don't believe, were a bunch of 'skirts' either! Can you imagine dragging sheep, oxen, goats, and all sorts of animals up to the alters all day!? Whew, the muscles!!!

However, I don't think that David was a 'scrawny boy' at all. I reckon that he was pretty beefed up and would have been mid to late teens but younger than 20 as torah says that the age for going to war is 20 and David was considered too young to go to war. But I don't reckon that a village would put a skinny, weak kid in charge of fighting off potential bears and lions.

 

[chunkofcoal]

A Jewish gentleman on a forum I was on several years ago said that the five stones had to do with the Patriarchs. I don't remember exactly how he explained it but I think the five stones were symbolic of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses and Aaron.

 

[visionary]

A Jewish gentleman on a forum I was on several years ago said that the five stones had to do with the Patriarchs. I don't remember exactly how he explained it but I think the five stones were symbolic of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses and Aaron.

By faith... I can see that going on in David's mind as he picks his stones.

 

[earagun]

I agree that all young men would have been had some kind of knowledge about combat. The Levites, I don't believe, were a bunch of 'skirts' either! Can you imagine dragging sheep, oxen, goats, and all sorts of animals up to the alters all day!? Whew, the muscles!!!

However, I don't think that David was a 'scrawny boy' at all. I reckon that he was pretty beefed up and would have been mid to late teens but younger than 20 as torah says that the age for going to war is 20 and David was considered too young to go to war. But I don't reckon that a village would put a skinny, weak kid in charge of fighting off potential bears and lions.

well according to scripture the armour of saul was to heavy for him

 

[Gxg (G²)]

David was a warrior? A skilled warrior?

One can only go off what the text says, in regards to his abilities for battle..as it concerns his being described in perfect health ( I Samuel 16:12 ) and that he was one of Saul's armor-bearers (1 Samuel 16:20-22 ) prior to fighting with Golitah. Being an armor-bearer required that one KNOW how to fight/defeat others since you were essentially a body-guard.

1 Samuel 17:42
He looked David over and saw that he was little more than a boy, glowing with health and handsome, and he despised him.
1 Samuel 17:41-43



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Moreover, it takes EXCEDDINGLY good skill/strength to kill a bear....especially when considering how vicious they are and what they look like when fighting or hunting (especially when thinking about Grizzlies) or bear wrestling.

I Samuel 17:34
But David said to Saul, “Your servant has been keeping his father’s sheep. When a lion or a bear came and carried off a sheep from the flock, 35 I went after it, struck it and rescued the sheep from its mouth. When it turned on me, I seized it by its hair, struck it and killed it. 36 Your servant has killed both the lion and the bear; this uncircumcised Philistine will be like one of them, because he has defied the armies of the living God. 37 The LORD who rescued me from the paw of the lion and the paw of the bear will rescue me from the hand of this Philistine.”

Saul said to David, “Go, and the LORD be with you.”

Psalm 144:1
Of David. Praise be to the LORD my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.




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As the folks at "Answers in Genesis" said best:

The Bible provides detailed biographical information about David. Although he is first mentioned in the book of Ruth as the son of Jesse, we find our first description of him in 1 Samuel 16 where he is anointed by Samuel to be the next king of Israel. David was the youngest of eight brothers, and his appearance was "ruddy, with bright eyes, and good-looking" (1 Samuel 16:12).

Prior to seeing David, Samuel was impressed by the physical stature of David's brother Eliab and thought that he was the one God would choose. However, the Lord told Samuel, "Do not look at his appearance or at his physical stature, because I have refused him. For the Lord does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart" (1 Samuel 16:7).

Perhaps this passage is where some people get the notion that David was small. He was the youngest, and his oldest and quite impressive brother was rejected. Since Samuel was told not to look at the outside, maybe David was small, but the text does not reveal this. In fact, there are several clues that David, although young, may have actually been a rather large man by the time he fought Goliath.


David the Armor Bearer

Sometime after David was anointed, King Saul was being troubled by a "distressing spirit" (1 Samuel 16:14). The king was advised to call for a skilled harpist to play for him, because the music might bring him relief. One of Saul's servants suggested David because he was "skillful in playing, a mighty man of valor, a man of war, prudent in speech, and a handsome person; and the Lord is with him" (1 Samuel 16:18, emphasis added). David played for Saul and was successful in comforting the king. As a result, the king made David his armor bearer (1 Samuel 16:21).

Many people believe David was still serving as a shepherd for his father when he fought Goliath. This belief is likely based on 1 Samuel 17:17 where Jesse tells his son to take food to his brothers who were camped out for battle. However, since David was already Saul's armor bearer, then he probably lived with (or near) Saul in Gibeah (1 Samuel 15:34). 1 Samuel 17:15 reveals that David occasionally returned from Saul to feed his father's sheep in Bethlehem.1 So David was not a full-time shepherd who was just on a special visit to Israel's army. He was an armor bearer for the king who helped his father on an irregular basis.


One may object to this timing by pointing out that after David killed Goliath, he was brought before the king, and Saul asked David, "Whose son are you, young man?" (1 Samuel 17:58). On the surface, this seems to show that Saul was not acquainted with David yet, but if that is true, it seems to contradict 1 Samuel 16:21 and 17:15, which tells us David and Saul knew each other well. Perhaps Saul had forgotten who David's father was. While these passages are only a chapter apart in Scripture, several months or years may have passed between David becoming the armor bearer and his battle with Goliath.



There are two alternative reasons Saul may have asked this question. It seems Saul gave David a public ceremony (or at least an audience with the king) in which he could bring honor to his family. After all, David was now a celebrity, and it seems fitting that Saul would acknowledge his heroic actions before the people. The fact that David was brought before Saul by Abner, the military commander, and that David came carrying the head of Goliath supports this interpretation (1 Samuel 17:57).


Perhaps a better solution is that Saul had already promised he would give his daughter in marriage to the man who killed Goliath. Also, the father of the champion would be exempt from paying taxes in Israel (1 Samuel 17:25). David's lineage had to be known by the king so that he could follow through on these two promises.



David and Goliath

The following passage contains the description of the giant Goliath. Goliath was an incredibly large and strong man:

And a champion went out from the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, from Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span [appx. 9'9"]2. He had a bronze helmet on his head, and he was armed with a coat of mail, and the weight of the coat was five thousand shekels of bronze [roughly 125 pounds]. And he had bronze armor on his legs and a bronze javelin between his shoulders. Now the staff of his spear was like a weaver's beam, and his iron spearhead weighed six hundred shekels [about 15 pounds]; and a shield-bearer went before him. (1 Samuel 17:4–7, bracketed information added)


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It is difficult to imagine a person so large. Most people look small next to me since I am 6'9" (and have often been called a giant), but Goliath was a full three feet taller than me and much stronger! His coat of mail weighed 125 pounds, and just the tip of his spear was 15 pounds. Wearing this armor and wielding such a weapon in battle would require tremendous strength.


Some have tried to reduce or downplay these staggering figures,3 but there are problems with these claims. For example, Hays and Billington presuppose that David was about 5'3" and the latter argues that Goliath was measured by David's shorter-than-standard cubit, thus reducing Goliath's height significantly. However, it is highly improbable that David was this height at this point in his life given the following details.


First, since David came from the same parents (or at least the same father) that produced his physically impressive brother Eliab, David may very well have grown to a similar size.



Second, David was so offended by the Philistine's words against the living God that he volunteered to fight the giant. Saul's reaction to David's offer is telling. Notice that he did not claim that David was too small, although even the tallest people today would be dwarfed by Goliath. Instead, Saul said, "You are not able to go against this Philistine to fight with him; for you are a youth, and he a man of war from his youth" (1 Samuel 17:33, emphasis added). Saul tried to dissuade David by appealing to David's youth and Goliath's experience. The Hebrew word translated as "youth" (נַעַר, na'ar) can refer to any age from an infant (Moses in Exodus 2:6) to someone old enough to lead a military coup (Absalom in 2 Samuel 18:32).


Third, David responded that he "used to keep his father's sheep, and when a lion or a bear came and took a lamb out of the flock, I went out after it and struck it, and delivered the lamb from its mouth; and when it arose against me, I caught it by its beard, and struck and killed it" (1 Samuel 17:34–35). Now we can understand why David was called a "mighty man of valor" in the previous chapter. He was young, but he was quite strong and brave.



While these facts above don't necessarily indicate his height, the following verses provide some clues. King Saul agreed to let David fight Goliath, so he offered David his own armor to use for the battle—likely the very same armor David had borne for Saul as his armor bearer. Remember, when Saul became king it was said about him that "From his shoulders upward he was taller than any of the people" (1 Samuel 9:2; 10:23).4



Although Saul acted foolishly on several occasions, he was not unintelligent. If he was one of the tallest men in the land, why would he offer a small young man his armor, knowing it would never fit and would only reduce his odds of winning the battle? If David was much smaller, Saul could have easily commanded a soldier closer to David's size to lend David his armor.


But didn't David refuse the armor because it didn't fit? Not at all! Actually, David said, "I cannot walk with these, for I have not tested them" (1 Samuel 17:39). This implies that David was roughly the same size as Saul and the armor did fit, but he rejected the offer because he was not accustomed to wearing this particular armor.

Finally, after using a sling and a stone to defeat Goliath, David used Goliath's own sword to decapitate the fallen giant (1 Samuel 17:51). Although the Bible does not tell us exactly how big the sword was, David does state that it was unique (1 Samuel 21:9). The Bible also reveals that the rest of Goliath's weaponry and armor were quite massive, so there is good reason to believe the sword was large as well. David kept Goliath's armor and would eventually wield the sword himself (1 Samuel 17:54; 21:9). The fact that David was capable of using the giant's weapon provides another clue that he may have indeed been a mighty man.

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[earagun]

One can only go off what the text says, in regards to his abilities for battle..as it concerns his being described in perfect health ( I Samuel 16:12 ) and that he was one of Saul's armor-bearers (1 Samuel 16:20-22 ) prior to fighting with Golitah. Being an armor-bearer required that one KNOW how to fight/defeat others since you were essentially a body-guard.

1 Samuel 17:42
He looked David over and saw that he was little more than a boy, glowing with health and handsome, and he despised him.
1 Samuel 17:41-43



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Moreover, it takes EXCEDDINGLY good skill/strength to kill a bear....especially when considering how vicious they are and what they look like when fighting or hunting (especially when thinking about Grizzlies) or bear wrestling.

I Samuel 17:34
But David said to Saul, “Your servant has been keeping his father’s sheep. When a lion or a bear came and carried off a sheep from the flock, 35 I went after it, struck it and rescued the sheep from its mouth. When it turned on me, I seized it by its hair, struck it and killed it. 36 Your servant has killed both the lion and the bear; this uncircumcised Philistine will be like one of them, because he has defied the armies of the living God. 37 The LORD who rescued me from the paw of the lion and the paw of the bear will rescue me from the hand of this Philistine.”

Saul said to David, “Go, and the LORD be with you.”

Psalm 144:1
Of David. Praise be to the LORD my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.




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As the folks at "Answers in Genesis" said best:

The Bible provides detailed biographical information about David. Although he is first mentioned in the book of Ruth as the son of Jesse, we find our first description of him in 1 Samuel 16 where he is anointed by Samuel to be the next king of Israel. David was the youngest of eight brothers, and his appearance was "ruddy, with bright eyes, and good-looking" (1 Samuel 16:12).

Prior to seeing David, Samuel was impressed by the physical stature of David's brother Eliab and thought that he was the one God would choose. However, the Lord told Samuel, "Do not look at his appearance or at his physical stature, because I have refused him. For the Lord does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart" (1 Samuel 16:7).

Perhaps this passage is where some people get the notion that David was small. He was the youngest, and his oldest and quite impressive brother was rejected. Since Samuel was told not to look at the outside, maybe David was small, but the text does not reveal this. In fact, there are several clues that David, although young, may have actually been a rather large man by the time he fought Goliath.


David the Armor Bearer

Sometime after David was anointed, King Saul was being troubled by a "distressing spirit" (1 Samuel 16:14). The king was advised to call for a skilled harpist to play for him, because the music might bring him relief. One of Saul's servants suggested David because he was "skillful in playing, a mighty man of valor, a man of war, prudent in speech, and a handsome person; and the Lord is with him" (1 Samuel 16:18, emphasis added). David played for Saul and was successful in comforting the king. As a result, the king made David his armor bearer (1 Samuel 16:21).

Many people believe David was still serving as a shepherd for his father when he fought Goliath. This belief is likely based on 1 Samuel 17:17 where Jesse tells his son to take food to his brothers who were camped out for battle. However, since David was already Saul's armor bearer, then he probably lived with (or near) Saul in Gibeah (1 Samuel 15:34). 1 Samuel 17:15 reveals that David occasionally returned from Saul to feed his father's sheep in Bethlehem.1 So David was not a full-time shepherd who was just on a special visit to Israel's army. He was an armor bearer for the king who helped his father on an irregular basis.


One may object to this timing by pointing out that after David killed Goliath, he was brought before the king, and Saul asked David, "Whose son are you, young man?" (1 Samuel 17:58). On the surface, this seems to show that Saul was not acquainted with David yet, but if that is true, it seems to contradict 1 Samuel 16:21 and 17:15, which tells us David and Saul knew each other well. Perhaps Saul had forgotten who David's father was. While these passages are only a chapter apart in Scripture, several months or years may have passed between David becoming the armor bearer and his battle with Goliath.



There are two alternative reasons Saul may have asked this question. It seems Saul gave David a public ceremony (or at least an audience with the king) in which he could bring honor to his family. After all, David was now a celebrity, and it seems fitting that Saul would acknowledge his heroic actions before the people. The fact that David was brought before Saul by Abner, the military commander, and that David came carrying the head of Goliath supports this interpretation (1 Samuel 17:57).


Perhaps a better solution is that Saul had already promised he would give his daughter in marriage to the man who killed Goliath. Also, the father of the champion would be exempt from paying taxes in Israel (1 Samuel 17:25). David's lineage had to be known by the king so that he could follow through on these two promises.



David and Goliath

The following passage contains the description of the giant Goliath. Goliath was an incredibly large and strong man:

And a champion went out from the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, from Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span [appx. 9'9"]2. He had a bronze helmet on his head, and he was armed with a coat of mail, and the weight of the coat was five thousand shekels of bronze [roughly 125 pounds]. And he had bronze armor on his legs and a bronze javelin between his shoulders. Now the staff of his spear was like a weaver's beam, and his iron spearhead weighed six hundred shekels [about 15 pounds]; and a shield-bearer went before him. (1 Samuel 17:4–7, bracketed information added)


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It is difficult to imagine a person so large. Most people look small next to me since I am 6'9" (and have often been called a giant), but Goliath was a full three feet taller than me and much stronger! His coat of mail weighed 125 pounds, and just the tip of his spear was 15 pounds. Wearing this armor and wielding such a weapon in battle would require tremendous strength.


Some have tried to reduce or downplay these staggering figures,3 but there are problems with these claims. For example, Hays and Billington presuppose that David was about 5'3" and the latter argues that Goliath was measured by David's shorter-than-standard cubit, thus reducing Goliath's height significantly. However, it is highly improbable that David was this height at this point in his life given the following details.


First, since David came from the same parents (or at least the same father) that produced his physically impressive brother Eliab, David may very well have grown to a similar size.



Second, David was so offended by the Philistine's words against the living God that he volunteered to fight the giant. Saul's reaction to David's offer is telling. Notice that he did not claim that David was too small, although even the tallest people today would be dwarfed by Goliath. Instead, Saul said, "You are not able to go against this Philistine to fight with him; for you are a youth, and he a man of war from his youth" (1 Samuel 17:33, emphasis added). Saul tried to dissuade David by appealing to David's youth and Goliath's experience. The Hebrew word translated as "youth" (נַעַר, na'ar) can refer to any age from an infant (Moses in Exodus 2:6) to someone old enough to lead a military coup (Absalom in 2 Samuel 18:32).


Third, David responded that he "used to keep his father's sheep, and when a lion or a bear came and took a lamb out of the flock, I went out after it and struck it, and delivered the lamb from its mouth; and when it arose against me, I caught it by its beard, and struck and killed it" (1 Samuel 17:34–35). Now we can understand why David was called a "mighty man of valor" in the previous chapter. He was young, but he was quite strong and brave.



While these facts above don't necessarily indicate his height, the following verses provide some clues. King Saul agreed to let David fight Goliath, so he offered David his own armor to use for the battle—likely the very same armor David had borne for Saul as his armor bearer. Remember, when Saul became king it was said about him that "From his shoulders upward he was taller than any of the people" (1 Samuel 9:2; 10:23).4



Although Saul acted foolishly on several occasions, he was not unintelligent. If he was one of the tallest men in the land, why would he offer a small young man his armor, knowing it would never fit and would only reduce his odds of winning the battle? If David was much smaller, Saul could have easily commanded a soldier closer to David's size to lend David his armor.


But didn't David refuse the armor because it didn't fit? Not at all! Actually, David said, "I cannot walk with these, for I have not tested them" (1 Samuel 17:39). This implies that David was roughly the same size as Saul and the armor did fit, but he rejected the offer because he was not accustomed to wearing this particular armor.

Finally, after using a sling and a stone to defeat Goliath, David used Goliath's own sword to decapitate the fallen giant (1 Samuel 17:51). Although the Bible does not tell us exactly how big the sword was, David does state that it was unique (1 Samuel 21:9). The Bible also reveals that the rest of Goliath's weaponry and armor were quite massive, so there is good reason to believe the sword was large as well. David kept Goliath's armor and would eventually wield the sword himself (1 Samuel 17:54; 21:9). The fact that David was capable of using the giant's weapon provides another clue that he may have indeed been a mighty man.

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some good points!....although I have to imagine much like in the case of Samson, there is strength and there is super natural strength, and when the Spirit of God comes upon a man, he is undefeatable, against a bear, a lion or even a giant.....natural man would be ripped to shreds, and killed, but the man God choses to put His Spirit is a man that can do extrordinary things

 

[Gxg (G²)]

some good points!....although I have to imagine much like in the case of Samson, there is strength and there is super natural strength, and when the Spirit of God comes upon a man, he is undefeatable, against a bear, a lion or even a giant.....natural man would be ripped to shreds, and killed, but the man God choses to put His Spirit is a man that can do extrordinary things

I definately think that there's no contradiction between having strength that one trains themselves to have through discipline/battle...and then supernatural strength given by the Lord. Technically, the Spirit of the Lord is involved in both since all good things/gifts and talents come from him. Even for the greatest athlete who trains to break new records, his skill to do so is a gift of the Lord--but it can be augmented to do the impossible.

Had to remember that when my brother and I grew up doing intensive track & field training/succedding well in it as track stars. I had to go all out/work hard and remember to discipline myself as much as possible if the Lord was going to bless my work--much like Paul noted in 2 Timothy 2:3-5/ 2 Timothy 2 and 1 Corinthians 9:24-26 /1 Corinthians 9 with atheletes having to train to win and our spirituality in the Lord being the same. However, I always realized that it was ultimately God's power working in me that enabled me to either break records or run with excellence/not give up---and whenever others would ask me "How do you do it?", I'd have to point them to God.

The same is clear with David, who was indeed a man of war...and who noted often it was by the power of the Lord that he could scale mountains/walls and do feats of battle.


And the same can be said of others in the scripture who were warriors. As the scriptures declear, "And the Spirit of Yahweh came upon him, and he judged Israel" (Judges 3:10). So also Gideon (Judges 6:34): "The Spirit of Yahweh came upon (literally, clothed itself with) Gideon." In Judges 11:29 "the spirit of Yahweh came upon Jephthah"; and in Judges 13:25 "the Spirit of Yahweh began to move" Samson. In Judges 14:6 "the Spirit of Yahweh came mightily upon him." In all this class of passages, the Spirit imparted special endowments of power without necessary reference to the moral character of the recipient....and he enabled them to do physical feats of battle that were unheard of. David was included amongst them when it was noted in Hebrews 11 that others did feats of war by God's Spirit/faith.

Hebrews 11:31
And what more shall I say? I do not have time to tell about Gideon, Barak, Samson and Jephthah, about David and Samuel and the prophets, 33 who through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, and gained what was promised; who shut the mouths of lions, 34 quenched the fury of the flames, and escaped the edge of the sword; whose weakness was turned to strength; and who became powerful in battle and routed foreign armies.

1 Samuel 16:13
So Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the presence of his brothers, and from that day on the Spirit of the LORD came powerfully upon David. Samuel then went to Ramah.
1 Samuel 16:12-14

1 Chronicles 11:9
And David became more and more powerful, because the LORD Almighty was with him.
1 Chronicles 11:8-10 /1 Chronicles 11

2 Samuel 22:34
“As for God, his way is perfect:
The LORD’s word is flawless;
he shields all who take refuge in him.
32 For who is God besides the LORD?
And who is the Rock except our God?
33 It is God who arms me with strength[c]
and keeps my way secure.
34 He makes my feet like the feet of a deer;
he causes me to stand on the heights.
35 He trains my hands for battle;
my arms can bend a bow of bronze.
He makes my feet like the feet of a deer; he causes me to stand on the heights.
2 Samuel 22:33-35

Psalm 18:33
He makes my feet like the feet of a deer; he causes me to stand on the heights.
Psalm 18:32-34
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[Pinchme]

What it boils down to is Davids strength and how he received his strength. The Lord was with him. He was showing that I need no sword; God is with me. Just as Jesus threw words at his enemy satan. Those same words dug into the head of satan as the rock (Represent Jesus and Gods words he carried) into the head of flesh in goliath.

 

[Pinchme]

Now take these same 2 chapters in 1 Samuel 17, 18 and "plug" names from our new testament. And we should know who should be "plugged" in Sauls footsteps.

Just athought, maybe not

 

[Pinchme]

God works our earth in cycles including the bible and our history. Jeremiah 25 confirms these things. Also Daniel confirms the same.

But a little deeper thought on the "SMOOTH" stones. Lets put them in that representation as a cyclical form. And God will say that his cycles (revisits) work smoothly and you will not notice a hiccup in our numbers on the timeline of history. Only you will see the lose of those things spoken of in Jeremiah (25:10). When death comes a new rebirth will emerge with out a notice. Kind of like the book of Revealtion for those called up before destruction awakens. A rebirth in the "twinkling of an eye". It will be that smooth of the coming and going without turning as Ezekiel mentions in twain chapter 1.

Just as that smooth stone went into death (goliath) and a rebirth of a new King David. The beginning of a new cycle. God uses cycles to cleanse things and reveal things

 

[Lulav]

well according to scripture the armour of saul was to heavy for him

Yes, and it would have been too large for him as well. You must take into consideration what it says about Saul, physically speaking.

He had a son named Saul, an impressive young man. There was no one more impressive among the Israelites than he. He stood a head taller than anyone else.

That's at least 9-10 inches, and that's above the tallest in Israel. I doubt his armor would have fit anyone in Israel.

 

[Lulav]

David did not use strength or fighting ability to bring Goliath down. He used the skill of accuracy. His aim was dead on the one spot that would kill him. The Philistines did not understand this, but our Maker did. They were probably more afraid that G-d was with David and the supernatural ability than anything else.

 

[Pinchme]

David did not use strength or fighting ability to bring Goliath down. He used the skill of accuracy. His aim was dead on the one spot that would kill him. The Philistines did not understand this, but our Maker did. They were probably more afraid that G-d was with David and the supernatural ability than anything else.

I would like to answer because I did answer strength. Not physical strength. But just as you his accuracy was his strength, His real strength was God. and thats accurate.