Why Catholic (And Not Just Christian)?

[Fidelibus]

Strictly speaking, none.

None as in, no Bible at all?

 

[Philip_B]

None as in, no Bible at all?

Alban died almost certainly before the canon as we know it was in place, and when the canon came to England it would almost certainly have included the deuterocanonicals. This was not a matter of discussion that the Venerable Bede makes mention of, though he speaks at length about the date of Easter. My inclination is to think the Celtic canon was almost certainly Eastern, and as such would have been a very close match if not a perfect fit for the Latin Canon of the time.

 

[ripple the car]

Two reasons;

Saint John Paul II.

A conviction, a certainty, that Sola Fidé is wrong.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Two reasons;

Saint John Paul II.

A conviction, a certainty, that Sola Fidé is wrong.

Therein lies the difference. You believe in Sola Ecclesia and we hold to Sola Gratia, Sola Fide, and Sola Scriptura.

 

[Major1]

This is all very nice Major1, but once again would you agree that it is fair to say that everything you post here, outside of quoting Scripture, are the words of a fallible man who has no authority whatsoever outside of that which you have vested in yourself? I ask that because you rest crucial points of yours, not on the Word of God, but on your fallible, non-authoritative opinion - the word of Major1, as it were.

[Staff edit].

God bless you my dear friend. Now, for the clarity of truth, where did I ever say that what I say is infallible????

Where did I ever say that I am anything other that an old country boy and have ALL authority and YOU and every one else need to accept what I say?????

I have said several times to your continual questions on authority that I HAVE NO AUTHORITY! NONE----ZERO---ZELCH! MY question is ……...how can you not understand that and keep asking me the same question?????

Please read this carefully……..I do not care if you accept what I say or reject it.
I have just as much authority as does the Pope or any Cardinal or Bishop to rightly divide the Word of God.

I am aware from your posts that you do not seem to study the Scriptures outside of what the RCC instructs you to do but I encourage you to ponder these Scriptures...

Galatians 3:28 …...
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

Acts 10:34…………….
"So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality".

Romans 10:12…………...
"For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him."

Romans 2:11...……………
"For God shows no partiality."

Acts 10:34-35 …………….
"So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.

 

[Major1]

Okay, if this is your belief, then let me ask you something. Do you also believe that everyone, (Christians such as , you, me, Franklin Graham, Joyce Meyer, Pat Robertson, the Pope, all the posters within this forum, ect...) seeks for God? Yes or No?

Deuteronomy 4:29
But from there you will seek the Lord your God and you will find him, if you search after him with all your heart and with all your soul.

Proverbs 8:17
I love those who love me, and those who seek me diligently find me.

Jeremiah 29:12-14
Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will hear you. You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart. I will be found by you, declares the Lord, and I will restore your fortunes and gather you from all the nations and all the places where I have driven you, declares the Lord, and I will bring you back to the place from which I sent you into exile.

1 Chronicles 16:11
Seek the Lord and his strength; seek his presence continually!

Matthew 7:7-8
“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened.

 

[tdidymas]

Okay, if this is your belief, then let me ask you something. Do you also believe that everyone, (Christians such as , you, me, Franklin Graham, Joyce Meyer, Pat Robertson, the Pope, all the posters within this forum, ect...) seeks for God? Yes or No?

Are you assuming that "seeking for God" equates with sinlessness? What is the nature of your question, and the point you are trying to make? Are you asking this exaggerative question in order to be contrary?
TD

 

[ripple the car]

Therein lies the difference. You believe in Sola Ecclesia and we hold to Sola Gratia, Sola Fide, and Sola Scriptura.

I actually agree with this! Yes. That is a pretty big difference. Simply stated.

 

[bbbbbbb]

I actually agree with this! Yes. That is a pretty big difference. Simply stated.

Thank you.

 

[Major1]

Are you assuming that "seeking for God" equates with sinlessness? What is the nature of your question, and the point you are trying to make? Are you asking this exaggerative question in order to be contrary?
TD

It will be interesting to see if he answers your question.

 

[Phil 1:21]

Two reasons;

Saint John Paul II.

A conviction, a certainty, that Sola Fidé is wrong.

What exactly was it about Pope JP2? He came under a lot of fire for not fixing the pedophile priest issue. I'm really surprised the RCC canonized him.

 

[ripple the car]

What exactly was it about Pope JP2? He came under a lot of fire for not fixing the pedophile priest issue. I'm really surprised the RCC canonized him.

There was something special about the man.

 

[Phil 1:21]

There was something special about the man.

I'm curious. Could you be more specific? Thanks.

 

[Fidelibus]

God bless you my dear friend. Now, for the clarity of truth, where did I ever say that what I say is infallible????

Where did I ever say that I am anything other that an old country boy and have ALL authority and YOU and every one else need to accept what I say?????

I have said several times to your continual questions on authority that I HAVE NO AUTHORITY! NONE----ZERO---ZELCH! MY question is ……...how can you not understand that and keep asking me the same question?????

Please read this carefully……..I do not care if you accept what I say or reject it.

Lol......I think if anyone should read something carefully, this person should be you. Here it is again, and lets go through it together.....okay?

"This is all very nice Major1, but once again would you agree that it is fair to say that everything you post here, outside of quoting Scripture, are the words of a fallible man who has no authority whatsoever outside of that which you have vested in yourself? I ask that because you rest crucial points of yours, not on the Word of God, but on your fallible, non-authoritative opinion - the word of Major1, as it were."

Here we go:

1. "would you agree that it is fair to say that everything you post here, outside of quoting Scripture, are the words of a fallible man who has no authority whatsoever outside of that which you have vested in yourself?"

Can you not see, outside of quoting Scripture, where I agree and state you have no authority whatsoever. outside of that which you vested in yourself?

2. " I ask that because you rest crucial points of yours, not on the Word of God, but on your fallible, non-authoritative opinion - the word of Major1, as it were."

Do you disagree that you rest your crucial points, not on the word God (Scripture) but on your "fallible" non-authoritive opinion....... The word of Maj1! You see, the major (no pun intended) word here is "fallible." You do agree that you are fallible ....... correct? If so, all I am asking is that you admit that your self admitted non-authoritive opinion,,,, interpretations of Scripture could be in error..... Thats all! Are you willing to admit to all of us here on Christian Forums that you could be wrong when it comes to understanding/ interpreting Scripture?

I have just as much authority as does the Pope or any Cardinal or Bishop to rightly divide the Word of God.

Thats odd,,,, because above you say......

"I HAVE NO AUTHORITY! NONE----ZERO---ZELCH!"

Which is it? Do you or don't you? Now if you change your mind again and say you do have authority..... All I can say is that you are in plenty of company that claim to have the right to....."divide the Word of God." Hence....... the thousands of different non-Catholic, Evangelical, Fundamental,, non-denominational,, churches and sects, all differently teaching/ preaching their own understanding/interpretation of Scripture, all under the guise of being inspired by the Holy Spirit!

I am aware from your posts that you do not seem to study the Scriptures outside of what the RCC instructs you to do

Really???? you know all this just by reading my posts??? Wow!!! That is one of the most bizzare things I seen anyone post here of CF. Hummmmm...... wonder what the CF administrators might take of this statement?

 

[Fidelibus]

Deuteronomy 4:29
But from there you will seek the Lord your God and you will find him, if you search after him with all your heart and with all your soul.

Proverbs 8:17
I love those who love me, and those who seek me diligently find me.

Jeremiah 29:12-14
Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will hear you. You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart. I will be found by you, declares the Lord, and I will restore your fortunes and gather you from all the nations and all the places where I have driven you, declares the Lord, and I will bring you back to the place from which I sent you into exile.

1 Chronicles 16:11
Seek the Lord and his strength; seek his presence continually!

Matthew 7:7-8
“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened.

My question requires a simple yes or no answer Major1.

 

[Fidelibus]

Are you assuming that "seeking for God" equates with sinlessness? What is the nature of your question, and the point you are trying to make? Are you asking this exaggerative question in order to be contrary?
TD

After Major1 answers my yes or no question, you will see the nature of my question. But if he refuses, by all means.........go ahead.

 

[Fidelibus]

It will be interesting to see if he answers your question.

Yes or no Maj1........ Yes or no.

 

[Major1]

My question requires a simple yes or no answer Major1.

When dealing with you my friend, one learns that there is NEVER anything as simple as Yes or NO.

You see, you couch your questions in the darkness of deceit and deception always with an alterier motive in mind.

There are some questions in which a simple Yes or No is not available.

If you are asking if men who are SAVED are seeking God's wisdom and knowledge and love and compassion and the peace that passes all understanding then my answer is YES!

Lamentations 3:25......
"The Lord is good to those who wait for him, to the soul who seeks him. "

But the lost man is not seeking God but is running from God hence then the answer would be NO!

Psalms 9:10......…
"And those who know your name put their trust in you, for you, O Lord, have not forsaken those who seek you."

The Bible says in Psalms 14:2-3 that...….
“The Lord looks down from heaven on all mankind to see if there are any who understand, any who seek God. All have turned away, all have become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one.”

Romans 3:10-12 says.....
“As it is written: ‘There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God.’”

We know that God first gives us faith. But we also have a free will. We decide what to do with the faith God gives. We can ignore it, we can misuse it by chasing after false gods, or we can receive it gladly and use it to embrace the gospel. When God says we must seek Him with all our heart, we understand that He has taken the first step toward us. He has done all that is necessary for our salvation; the work is done.

It is now up to us to engage our will and follow Him. The faith to seek Him is a gift, but we must accept it and exercise it to have a relationship with Him.

Thanks for the question as it once again allows me to give out the correct Word of God.

 

[Major1]

Lol......I think if anyone should read something carefully, this person should be you. Here it is again, and lets go through it together.....okay?

"This is all very nice Major1, but once again would you agree that it is fair to say that everything you post here, outside of quoting Scripture, are the words of a fallible man who has no authority whatsoever outside of that which you have vested in yourself? I ask that because you rest crucial points of yours, not on the Word of God, but on your fallible, non-authoritative opinion - the word of Major1, as it were."

Here we go:

1. "would you agree that it is fair to say that everything you post here, outside of quoting Scripture, are the words of a fallible man who has no authority whatsoever outside of that which you have vested in yourself?"

Can you not see, outside of quoting Scripture, where I agree and state you have no authority whatsoever. outside of that which you vested in yourself?

2. " I ask that because you rest crucial points of yours, not on the Word of God, but on your fallible, non-authoritative opinion - the word of Major1, as it were."

Do you disagree that you rest your crucial points, not on the word God (Scripture) but on your "fallible" non-authoritive opinion....... The word of Maj1! You see, the major (no pun intended) word here is "fallible." You do agree that you are fallible ....... correct? If so, all I am asking is that you admit that your self admitted non-authoritive opinion,,,, interpretations of Scripture could be in error..... Thats all! Are you willing to admit to all of us here on Christian Forums that you could be wrong when it comes to understanding/ interpreting Scripture?




Thats odd,,,, because above you say......

"I HAVE NO AUTHORITY! NONE----ZERO---ZELCH!"

Which is it? Do you or don't you? Now if you change your mind again and say you do have authority..... All I can say is that you are in plenty of company that claim to have the right to....."divide the Word of God." Hence....... the thousands of different non-Catholic, Evangelical, Fundamental,, non-denominational,, churches and sects, all differently teaching/ preaching their own understanding/interpretation of Scripture, all under the guise of being inspired by the Holy Spirit!





Really???? you know all this just by reading my posts??? Wow!!! That is one of the most bizzare things I seen anyone post here of CF. Hummmmm...... wonder what the CF administrators might take of this statement?

Your comments are very telling. I believe that every single person reading what you post is aware that you are only doing this to argue. You are going out of your way to simply argue with me instead of addressing the Scriptures and doctrines of the Bible.

It is clear my friend that you can not and have not refuted the false teaching of the Catholic church that I have posted and instead of debating those things you have chosen to speak in a personal way to me.

Why don't you ask the moderators?

Let me help you...………...

I have asked you where in the Bible is the Rosary?
IF you have read and studied the Bible then you should have NO problem telling me where I can find it so that I can read it as well.

Same thing with the "sinlessness of Mary". I asked you in a very polite and loving why where that doctrine is found in the Bible and you refuse to answer the question.

Now ask the moderators if that was a "flameing" question or a "Goading" question or if it was in some way a question that is against the rules of the forum instead of threating me with a "VEILED Threat".

 

[Fidelibus]

Your comments are very telling. I believe that every single person reading what you post is aware that you are only doing this to argue.

Maj1.....What you believe about every single person can only be confined to your own mind, would you not agree?

You are going out of your way to simply argue with me instead of addressing the Scriptures and doctrines of the Bible.

I'm sorry Maj1, but that is utter nonsence, and I'm sure you know it. Besides..... This is not the first time you've said nonsence like this to me or other posters when the questions get uncomfortable for you, and it begins to get a little warm in your kitchen.

It is clear my friend that you can not and have not refuted the false teaching of the Catholic church that I have posted and instead of debating those things you have chosen to speak in a personal way to me.

Lol!...... This is the second most bizzare thing you've posted in the past couple of days. You have never.... ever.... posted any false teachings of the Catholic Church, so there is or was a reason to refute your myths and fallicies!

To quote the late Arch Bishop Fulton J Sheen:

"There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be."

Why don't you ask the moderators?

Ehhhh..... thought about it, but I've moved on. Besides, I have thick skin, don't have to go running to the moderators every time someone hurts my feelings.

Let me help you...………...

No need..... thanks anyhoo.

I have asked you where in the Bible is the Rosary?

And your questions have been answerd time after time. The problem is, your mind has been polluted by so much anti-Catholic myths, rhetoric, fallicies, and talking points you refuse to accept them. If you want to see the truth, I would suggest googling: "CatholicBridge.com/ Is the Rosary Contrary to the Bible?" read it with an open mind, then get back to me.

IF you have read and studied the Bible then you should have NO problem telling me where I can find it so that I can read it as well.

Like I said above, go to the web-site provided, read it with an opien mind and get back to me.

Same thing with the "sinlessness of Mary". I asked you in a very polite and loving why where that doctrine is found in the Bible and you refuse to answer the question.

First off, this has been addressed many times (my last post for example)

Secondly, as I've told you time after time, I no longer adhere to your unbiblical belief of sola scriptura.

Thirdly,

God has revealed his word not simply through Sacred Scripture but through Sacred Tradition as well, and the latter undeniably preceded the former in the New Covenant era (see, Acts 2:42).

Fourthly.Show the passage that indicates a single sin committed by Mary explicitly.

Now Maj1, you seem to enjoy throwing around the "Where is that in the Bible." So how about you showing in the Bible where it teaches the "altar call", The "sinners prayer" "some bible believing churches objections to dancing and alcohol", " some bible believing churchs idea and practice that Christian children should be separated from the adults during church services." Using "grape juice" for communion rather than wine." The practice of most every modern Christian pastor of wearing a "Golf Shirt" or a suit and tie during worship service, Desiring a "Personal relationship with Jesus Christ." This also is a worthy endeavor, but could you show New (or Old) Testament where it say's explicitly that this is all that God desires of us? I could go on.... and on.... and on.

Now ask the moderators if that was a "flameing" question or a "Goading" question or if it was in some way a question that is against the rules of the forum instead of threating me with a "VEILED Threat".

Veiled Threat?? I think not. Besides.... like I said, I've moved on.

Lastly Maj1, I couldn't help but noticed you disreguarded the main subject if this post of mine you quoted. so to refresh it:


"Lol......I think if anyone should read something carefully, this person should be you. Here it is again, and lets go through it together.....okay?

"This is all very nice Major1, but once again would you agree that it is fair to say that everything you post here, outside of quoting Scripture, are the words of a fallible man who has no authority whatsoever outside of that which you have vested in yourself? I ask that because you rest crucial points of yours, not on the Word of God, but on your fallible, non-authoritative opinion - the word of Major1, as it were."

Here we go:

1. "would you agree that it is fair to say that everything you post here, outside of quoting Scripture, are the words of a fallible man who has no authority whatsoever outside of that which you have vested in yourself?"

Can you not see, outside of quoting Scripture, where I agree and state you have no authority whatsoever. outside of that which you vested in yourself?

2. " I ask that because you rest crucial points of yours, not on the Word of God, but on your fallible, non-authoritative opinion - the word of Major1, as it were."

Do you disagree that you rest your crucial points, not on the word God (Scripture) but on your "fallible" non-authoritive opinion....... The word of Maj1! You see, the major (no pun intended) word here is "fallible." You do agree that you are fallible ....... correct? If so, all I am asking is that you admit that your self admitted non-authoritive opinion,,,, interpretations of Scripture could be in error..... Thats all! Are you willing to admit to all of us here on Christian Forums that you could be wrong when it comes to understanding/ interpreting Scripture?"

Thank you.