Islam Why call Muhammad a prophet?

[Yytz6]

I'm curious as to the relevance of this statement. What are you trying to say?

The post before me spoke of the crusades. 1. They were disgusting monsters. 2. It wasn't just about Islam as they like to claim these days by putting pressure on the "threat" and neglecting to mention their own self centered past desires. 3. If they slaughtered the Jews too simply to take back a holy land — well "go Palestine! You have permission of the church to kill anyone that come on your way."

 

[mindlight]

The first people the crusaders slaughtered were Jews.

Actually not. The siege of Nicea and various battles to liberate Anatolia and Antioch from the Turks and other non Jews preceded the massacres of the defenders of Jerusalem. The First Crusade completely swept away Muslim defending armies that had previously occuppied these Christian territories in the region.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

The post before me spoke of the crusades. 1. They were disgusting monsters. 2. It wasn't just about Islam as they like to claim these days by putting pressure on the "threat" and neglecting to mention their own self centered past desires. 3. If they slaughtered the Jews too simply to take back a holy land — well "go Palestine! You have permission of the church to kill anyone that come on your way."

You really need to quote what your talking about. Are you saying the crusaders were disgusting monsters? Whose self interested desires are part of anything? Also, how do you conclude that if Jews were slaughtered on the way to the Holy Land they had the backing of the Church?

I have no Idea what you are trying to say.

 

[dzheremi]

The post before me spoke of the crusades. 1. They were disgusting monsters.

Funny how Christians were at their absolute worst when acting like the Muslim conquerors regularly did (and still do; see: ISIS, Al Qaeda, Jabhat Al Nusra, etc.) with the backing of Muhammad's recension of Allah and Muhammad's own sick example as their forerunner.

Do they have the phrase 'crocodile tears' in Muhammad's God's favored language?
دموع التماسيح, perhaps? Though that's very literal. At any rate, it's a very good description of what posts like yours read like. So much care for rights and respect for others and good conduct vs. the worst Christians you can find.

Where is that care for all the apostates Islam kills, or all the times one of your coreligionists or a group of them bombs a church, or hijacks a bus on the way to a monastery and kills everyone aboard who will not become Muslim, or takes over a mall or some other area and divides the people within it by religion and kills all the non-Muslims? And why is it that you have to go back to the middle ages to find such parallels between Islamic bad behavior (which is really good behavior, if you believe in the insane belief that Muhammad was some kind of example to follow in behavior and ethics) and Christian bad behavior (which is really bad behavior, if you believe in and worship Jesus Christ as Christians do, because Jesus Christ forgave those who killed Him, in the event that your book claims didn't happen)?

Do you think that this might say something about your religion vs. ours? When we are bad, it is like when you are good (because Islam calls good evil and evil good, because that's what the devil does, and that's where Islam actually came from -- the devil), and you still think you can lecture us on anything because a thousand years ago such and such a thing happened where lands your religion had forcibly stolen from others were threatened and overtaken for a while by people from Europe who heard about the atrocities you were committing against Christian pilgrims and others under your control?

Gee, I dunno, guys...anyone here want to take weight loss advice from somebody significantly fatter than you are? That's about as sensible as listening to Muslim objections about the Crusades.

I'm sorry 'we' (my Church had nothing to do with it, but y'know...Christians in general) treated you for a while in the same way that you have been treating us for 14 CENTURIES AND COUNTING and show no signs of ever not treating us that way, because that's how your God (the devil) tells you is right to treat others who do not share or love your religion. That was really awful of us.

 

[Godistruth1]

Asserting lies does not make them true. Examples of Jesus wonders and predictions have been shared in this thread.

Same has been written in the main post. Biased lies

 

[mindlight]

Same has been written in the main post. Biased lies

The difference here is that you cannot substantiate your claims or even argue them while I and the others who commented already have.

 

[Godistruth1]

The difference here is that you cannot substantiate your claims or even argue them while I and the others who commented already have.

Why should i attempt to even defend the accusations when its already evident that there is a deliberate attemt to spread lies and misrepresentation of facts.

 

[mindlight]

Why should i attempt to even defend the accusations when its already evident that there is a deliberate attemt to spread lies and misrepresentation of facts.

Easy to say but again only asserted and not argued with any substantial support.

 

[Godistruth1]

Easy to say but again only asserted and not argued with any substantial support.

Like i said id not even make an attempt to a biased lie. Im open to an open discussion but not someone saying lies and me defending it. I can go on accusing jesus of anything and can expect Christians to answer but i am not such a person to ridicule people. If i ask any questions, it's because i have done some research about it.

For some basic knowledge read here
Miracles of Prophet Muhammad

 

[mindlight]

Like i said id not even make an attempt to a biased lie. Im open to an open discussion but not someone saying lies and me defending it. I can go on accusing jesus of anything and can expect Christians to answer but i am not such a person to ridicule people. If i ask any questions, it's because i have done some research about it.

For some basic knowledge read here
Miracles of Prophet Muhammad

To prophesy that there will be a day of the resurrection is repeating the words of prophets that came before and is true but not very specific and is borrowed from that which Was already established among Jews and Christians.

The Quran is not a miracle because it is at best borrowed ideas and at worst full of errors.

Muhammed did not split the moon cause it is not split.

The night journey to Jerusalem did not happen because at the time there was a rubbish dump on the temple mount not a temple

Never heard about the others and need to think about them.

 

[Godistruth1]

To prophesy the day of the resurrection is repeating the words of prophets that came before and is a true prophesy that Was already established among Jews and Christians.

Muhammad did not ever claim to know day of resurrection. Ironically even jesus denied to have knowledge of the day of resurrection. How does he as god does not know when day of resurrection will happen but only father knows.

Muhammed did not split the moon cause it is not split.

The night journey to Jerusalem did not happen because at the time there was a rubbish dump on the temple mount not a temple

Never heard about the others and need to think about them.

Nor did jesus do any miracles. Its all folklore added by people and sadly Christians believe it to be true. He never did miracles as per bible because it was all added

 

[Barney2.0]

The first people the crusaders slaughtered were Jews.

And the Jews helped the Persian Zoroastrians slaughter Christians in Jerusalem and Antioch when they conquered them from the Byzantines and later helped Mohammdans conquer Spain and slaughter Christians. So your point?

 

[Barney2.0]

Muhammad did not ever claim to know day of resurrection. Ironically even jesus denied to have knowledge of the day of resurrection. How does he as god does not know when day of resurrection will happen but only father knows.

Nor did jesus do any miracles. Its all folklore added by people and sadly Christians believe it to be true. He never did miracles as per bible because it was all added

Mohammed did not know the day of resurrection because he was a false prophet, Mohammed didn’t have knowledge on anything even in worldly matters, he made stuff up as he went along arguably contributing to all the wacky stupid stuff found in Mohammadanism today from breast feeding adults to not knowing if Israelite oral stories are to be accepted or not (as Mohammed said to neither reject them nor accept them, how you do that is beyond me). Christ as a perfect man with his human conscious knowledge did not know the day or the hour, however as God in his divine subconscious knowledge, he knew all things:

The third time he said to him, "Simon son of John, do you love me?" Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, "Do you love me?" He said, "Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you." Jesus said, "Feed my sheep.

John 21:17

Also in regards to this same objection against Christ’s divinity, Saint Athanasius of Alexandria always has an answer:

“Let us examine what he said: ‘But of that day and the hour no one knows, neither the angels, nor the Son.’ After saying, ‘nor the Son,’ he relates to the disciples the things which will precede that day and says that this and that shall be and then the end. Now, he that speaks of what will precede that day also has full knowledge of that day which will follow upon the events foretold. And if he had not known the hour, he would not have signified the events preceding it, not knowing when that hour would be. He says in the Gospel, concerning himself in his human character, ‘Father, the hour has come, glorify your Son.’ Certainly, then, it is plain that as the Word he knows also the hour and the end of all things, although as man he is ignorant of it; for ignorance is proper to man, and especially in these matters. This, moreover, pertains to the Savior’s love of man; for, inasmuch as he was made man, he is not ashamed, because of the ignorant flesh, to say, ‘I do not know,’ so that he may demonstrate that, although as God he knows, according to the flesh he is ignorant. This, then, is why he did not say, ‘nor does the Son of God know,’ lest the Godhead appear to be ignorant; but simply, ‘nor the Son,’ so that the ignorance may be of the son as born of man” (Discourses Against the Arians 3:42-43 [inter A.D. 358362]).

In Mohammdanism the act of knowing whats in the hearts of men is something only Allah possesses so now how does Christ know ilm Al ghayb or have knowledge of the unseen? If Christ preforming miracles is all folklore then how does that same folklore end up in the Quran your book? How does the literal uncreated Word of God pick up folklore? Also when exactly were all the verses of Christ preforming miracles added to the Bible?

 

[Godistruth1]

Mohammed did not know the day of resurrection because he was a false prophet, Mohammed didn’t have knowledge on anything even in worldly matters, he made stuff up as he went along arguably contributing to all the wacky stupid stuff found in Mohammadanism today from breast feeding adults to not knowing if Israelite oral stories are to be accepted or not (as Mohammed said to neither reject them nor accept them, how you do that is beyond me). Christ as a perfect man with his human conscious knowledge did not know the day or the hour, however as God in his divine subconscious knowledge, he knew all things:

I don't know why u do this all the time despite knowing the facts ill still write for other people here. Muhammad is not considered God or part of God and not all knowing. Only Allah knows when the day of resurrection will happen. Ironically in ur case jesus is considered God and he still does not know when the day of resurrection will happen.

The third time he said to him, "Simon son of John, do you love me?" Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, "Do you love me?" He said, "Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you." Jesus said, "Feed my sheep.

John 21:17

No jesus again denied to have knowledge of the day of resurrection abd and said only father knows. Remember that

 

[mindlight]

Muhammad did not ever claim to know day of resurrection. Ironically even jesus denied to have knowledge of the day of resurrection. How does he as god does not know when day of resurrection will happen but only father knows.

Jesus knows the date now that He is ascended back to the throne of God. But in the self limiting conditions of the incarnation on earth did not. Muhammed was just repeating the words of those who came before him

Nor did jesus do any miracles. Its all folklore added by people and sadly Christians believe it to be true. He never did miracles as per bible because it was all added

The miracle list that you gave for Muhammed was just an echo of Jesus miracles but without the eyewitnesses. Even Jesus enemies considered him a magic worker for these wonders but noone accused Muhammed of magic. Some of Jesus miracles sre in the Quran so you contradict your own book if you deny them.

 

[Godistruth1]

Jesus knows the date now that He is ascended back to the throne of God

Give me proof

Muhammed was just repeating the words of those who came before him

Much of what he says has to be same because he is a Prophet just like many who came before him. One who came before Muhammad was Jesus. OT affirms God being one and not trinity. When people changed the original true message God sends a Prophet to correct the message.

The miracle list that you gave for Muhammed was just an echo of Jesus miracles but without the eyewitnesses

Guesswork does not work. U need proof for all your claims

Even Jesus enemies considered him a magic worker for these wonders

Yes they did on many occasions
Hadith on Miracles: Moon splits, the Prophet is accused of magic | Daily Hadith Online الحديث اليومي

Some of Jesus miracles sre in the Quran so you contradict your own book if you deny them.

I agree with miracles of jesus in quran but not in bible. Logically to argue on miracles is silly because there are miracles in hadith and bible. Nither can u nor i dispute them. If u count you will find miracles of Muhammad more than jesus but thats not gonna prove anything

 

[Barney2.0]

I don't know why u do this all the time despite knowing the facts ill still write for other people here. Muhammad is not considered God or part of God and not all knowing. Only Allah knows when the day of resurrection will happen. Ironically in ur case jesus is considered God and he still does not know when the day of resurrection will happen.

No jesus again denied to have knowledge of the day of resurrection abd and said only father knows. Remember that

Mohammed isn’t a prophet either so he knew nothing. Christ as man in his human waking knowledge didn’t know the hour, he as God in his divine hidden knowledge knew the hour. Ok, reject the verse that I gave you where it shows that Christ knows everything as God. You don’t write facts at all, all you do is come on here and post nonsense after nonsense of ignorant post after ignorant post

 

[Godistruth1]

Mohammed isn’t a prophet either so he knew nothing. Christ as man in his human waking knowledge didn’t know the hour, he as God in his divine hidden knowledge knew the hour. Ok, reject the verse that I gave you where it shows that Christ knows everything as God. You don’t write facts at all, all you do is come on here and post nonsense after nonsense of ignorant post after ignorant post

U mean to say jesus lied? You need to watch what u say man. You are confused on what to believe and what not to. U should get your facts sorted out and then write anything.

 

[Barney2.0]

U mean to say jesus lied? You need to watch what u say man. You are confused on what to believe and what not to. U should get your facts sorted out and then write anything.

The verses were given and evidence was given, no one is confused here except you, so please stop posting nonsense, you literally just come here spreading nonsense and make bad arguments, why are you even still here? It’s funny how you tell me to get my facts straight even though you can’t defend your own position.

 

[Godistruth1]

The verses were given and evidence was given, no one is confused here except you, so please stop posting nonsense, you literally just come here spreading nonsense and make bad arguments, why are you even still here? It’s funny how you tell me to get my facts straight even though you can’t defend your own position.

See its u who says jesus knows the hour and chose not to tell his disciples about it and therefore lied. He should have made it clear that in his human form he did not know. Yet what he said is clearly is in line with the islamic view that jesus did not know the hour. Why are u trying to make jesus into something he never said he was.