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The other day I was at my therapist's and we were discussing my tenedency to enjoy arguing. I realised that I argue not to make my point, but to have someone tear it apart for me. I don't trust my own judgement, I guess, and I want someone to either show me I am wrong or prove that I am right. Problem is no one will. After a certain point everyone wants to go the "agree to dissagree" route, which infuriates me. I wasn't looking to exchange ideas, I was looking for accuracy and integrity.

Why was it important? Well, I realised that I had nothing to live for. I live, don't get me wrong. I am not suicidal or anything...well, not very, at least. But at the same time life has become drudgery. I work, I eat, I exercise I sleep I relieve myself I buy things I raise a kid who will one day do the same things I am. And at the heart of it all is this idea that no matter what happens next the world will not care. The education system won't improve, the bombs won't stop falling, the children will starve. Even if I fiond some measure of happiness, it will be purely selfish, and I fear, shallow.

Worse, I honestly see almost every person I meet as inferior itnellectually - even the ones who are obviously smarter than me, because they like me do the stupid things that cover up our pointless existences. I want to fight with them and either make them feel as hopeless as I do or discover how they can move through life without feeling as hopeless as I do.

So, the questions are as follows, I guess:

Are you satisfied with your percieved future, and why, exactly?
Do you feel that as along as you are OK then the world will be OK?
How far are you willing to travel down the path of conflict to find your integrity?
Does integrity even matter to you? If not, what matters more?
Can you believe your own lies?

The therapist suggested we work on me first, then see about saving the universe, but I feel, very deeply, that this is a path to slothfull disintegrity. That if I somehow convince myself that I can find peace it will be at the expense of the reality I ache for.

Your thoughts?
 

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Spinrad said:
The other day I was at my therapist's and we were discussing my tenedency to enjoy arguing. I realised that I argue not to make my point, but to have someone tear it apart for me. I don't trust my own judgement, I guess, and I want someone to either show me I am wrong or prove that I am right. Problem is no one will. After a certain point everyone wants to go the "agree to dissagree" route, which infuriates me. I wasn't looking to exchange ideas, I was looking for accuracy and integrity.

Why was it important? Well, I realised that I had nothing to live for. I live, don't get me wrong. I am not suicidal or anything...well, not very, at least. But at the same time life has become drudgery. I work, I eat, I exercise I sleep I relieve myself I buy things I raise a kid who will one day do the same things I am. And at the heart of it all is this idea that no matter what happens next the world will not care. The education system won't improve, the bombs won't stop falling, the children will starve. Even if I fiond some measure of happiness, it will be purely selfish, and I fear, shallow.

Worse, I honestly see almost every person I meet as inferior itnellectually - even the ones who are obviously smarter than me, because they like me do the stupid things that cover up our pointless existences. I want to fight with them and either make them feel as hopeless as I do or discover how they can move through life without feeling as hopeless as I do.

So, the questions are as follows, I guess:

Are you satisfied with your percieved future, and why, exactly?
Do you feel that as along as you are OK then the world will be OK?
How far are you willing to travel down the path of conflict to find your integrity?
Does integrity even matter to you? If not, what matters more?
Can you believe your own lies?

The therapist suggested we work on me first, then see about saving the universe, but I feel, very deeply, that this is a path to slothfull disintegrity. That if I somehow convince myself that I can find peace it will be at the expense of the reality I ache for.

Your thoughts?

Agreeing to disagree is about the silliest mess I have ever heard. Somebody is wrong and somebody is right or either you're both wrong and somebody else is right.

But that's why you always side with Jesus. He's ALWAYS right. :amen:

What you need is a Jesus Christ experience. You will always be satisfied and propelled forward to always do more. :)

You want a challenge? You want to experience something that you've never experienced before? Want to feel purpose instead of hopelessness?

Take up the mantle of Jesus Christ. :pray:
 
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Spinrad said:
So, the questions are as follows, I guess:

Are you satisfied with your percieved future, and why, exactly?

The future is unknowable, so I don't try to perceive one. I try to sock a little cash away to mitigate the obvious pitfalls, but other than that, attempting to perceive your future is pointless, and can only lead to absurdity.

Do you feel that as along as you are OK then the world will be OK?

Nope. The world is on a journey to mindless self-destruction. All I can do is make the best for me and mine while on said journey.

How far are you willing to travel down the path of conflict to find your integrity?

I found mine a long time ago, and I never let it out of sight. Conflict has nothing to do with integrity.

Does integrity even matter to you? If not, what matters more?

Yes it matters, but the happiness of the people I love often matters more to me.

Can you believe your own lies?

Only if I don't realize I'm lieing.

The therapist suggested we work on me first, then see about saving the universe, but I feel, very deeply, that this is a path to slothfull disintegrity. That if I somehow convince myself that I can find peace it will be at the expense of the reality I ache for.

Your thoughts?

And what is this reality that you ache for?
 
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HouseApe said:
And what is this reality that you ache for?

I guess it's most easily described as truth. But that leads you down a garden path.

It's actually many things, but some of the most basic are:

Are people as stupid as they seem?
Why do I think I am not as stupid as people seem?
Should I go away?
Should I take the ones I love with me?
Do I love them?
Should I shave?
 
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Don't believe in Jesus. Or God.

Spinrad...you just stated the problem better than anyone else ever could. =/ Without believing in something bigger than yourself, you're right...you have nothing to live for. If you live for the truth, then you have something to live for, and something to look forward to.
 
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Angel4Truth said:
Just because you dont believe in Jesus or God , it doesnt change the fact that they can help , and it is no suprise that they wont help untill they are acknowledged . Since you wont acknowledge them , you have limited no one but yourself.

Then I am. They had their chances.
 
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Spinrad said:
I guess it's most easily described as truth. But that leads you down a garden path.

It's actually many things, but some of the most basic are:

Are people as stupid as they seem?

WHy are you looking to other people's intelligence to give your life meaning?

Why do I think I am not as stupid as people seem?

Prideful vanity.

Should I go away?

Go away where?

Should I take the ones I love with me?

Take them with you where?

Do I love them?

Do you love you?

Should I shave?

You better. That stuff starts to itch.
 
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Carri20 said:
Spinrad...you just stated the problem better than anyone else ever could. =/ Without believing in something bigger than yourself, you're right...you have nothing to live for. If you live for the truth, then you have something to live for, and something to look forward to.

Nothing bigger or smaller, actually. And truth is what it's all about.
 
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Spinrad said:
I guess it's most easily described as truth

Saying you want truth , but also denying God firmly are incompatible . If you have already made up your mind , how is there a search for anything ? Youll never find what you arent looking for .
 
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ssms27 said:
If our existence is pointless why do you care about the education system or bombs? Why not just make yourself happy and not worry about anyone else?

What makes you think our existence is pointless?

There is nothing about it that leads me to believe there is a point.

The reason I care about education and bombs is empathy. It hurts to know our kids get dumber and our policies get bloodier.
 
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Spinrad said:
Then I am. They had their chances.
You dissing God doesnt hurt God - it hurts you . If my 4 year old gets mad at me and says she hates me , it doesnt hurt me , it ends up hurting her when she has realized what she said .

What was just said is about the same level in comparison , its like a 4 year old having a tantrum and thinking that the God of all creation will fold for a child acting spoiled .
 
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