Why Argue Against Evolution and a Natural Origin?

[inquiring mind]

What you agree or not agree with is irellevant to science. Its all abot facts snd data and all the facts and data support the ToE. All of it!

You want to argue against it you should at least understand the basics, you currently seem to understand none of it.

So its pretty hard to take your posts seriously.

I wouldn't then.

 

[VirOptimus]

I wouldn't then.

Oh, of course I dont. They are pretty funny though.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Evolution (as a whole, including macro, common descent, etc.) has the law, science, academia, and even some religious affiliations on its side, fully supportive, and even protective… which makes it pretty much factual by most standards... doesn’t it?

By the scientific standard, it is the only way to factually see how life became what it is now.

 

[pitabread]

Evolution (as a whole, including macro, common descent, etc.) has the law, science, academia, and even some religious affiliations on its side, fully supportive, and even protective… which makes it pretty much factual by most standards... doesn’t it?

You forgot industry. IMHO, that's the biggest lynchpin in the validity of the modern ToE. If it wasn't valid, why would those in industry use it? Why would companies file for patents based on it?

 

[HitchSlap]

Evolution (as a whole, including macro, common descent, etc.) has the law, science, academia, and even some religious affiliations on its side, fully supportive, and even protective… which makes it pretty much factual by most standards... doesn’t it?

Lol... like it needs protection.

ToE occurs whether you understand it, or not (in your case).

 

[inquiring mind]

Lol... like it needs protection.

ToE occurs whether you understand it, or not (in your case).

Kind of like politics, I guess.

 

[AV1611VET]

Evolution (as a whole, including macro, common descent, etc.) has the law, science, academia, and even some religious affiliations on its side, fully supportive, and even protective… which makes it pretty much factual by most standards... doesn’t it?

Remember Elijah? weren't the odds 450 to 1?

1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 

[HitchSlap]

Remember Elijah? weren't the odds 450 to 1?

1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Remember Elisha? Weren’t the odds 2:42?

Wheeee... good times.

 

[AV1611VET]

Remember Elisha? Weren’t the odds 2:42?

Wheeee... good times.

I'll bet he couldn't bear to watch.

 

[HitchSlap]

I'll bet he couldn't bear to watch.

Would have been grisly to watch.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Evolution (as a whole, including macro, common descent, etc.) has the law, science, academia, and even some religious affiliations on its side, fully supportive, and even protective… which makes it pretty much factual by most standards... doesn’t it?

Yes, evolution has the world on it's side.

And no, that in itself far from makes it factual. Pin someone down to prove it and watch what happens.

 

[pitabread]

Pin someone down to prove it and watch what happens.

Even better, ask a creationist to take a course on it and watch what happens.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Even better, ask a creationist to take a course on it and watch what happens.

Teach me, that way I can get just what i need to know instead of doing something no one is going to do in order to learn aboiut something they don't believe is true.

Seems the most sensible way to me, would you like to do that?

 

[pitabread]

Teach me, that way I can get just what i need to know instead of doing something no one is going to do in order to learn aboiut something they don't believe is true.

Seems the most sensible way to me, would you like to do that?

If you really wanted an understanding of evolution, then you'd need to know most of what is in those courses anyway. Which means the most sensible thing to do is just take advantage of the material that is already freely available in an easily consumable format (video lectures with written transcripts).

I already said I'd be happy to discuss any material in them. However, I have no desire to simply regurgitate the material from those courses just because you don't want to peruse them yourself.

 

[Kenny'sID]

If you really wanted an understanding of evolution, then you'd need to know most of what is in those courses anyway. Which means the most sensible thing to do is just take advantage of the material that is already freely available in an easily consumable format (video lectures with written transcripts).

I already said I'd be happy to discuss any material in them. However, I have no desire to simply regurgitate the material from those courses just because you don't want to peruse them yourself.

I really do, show me.

 

[pitabread]

I really do, show me.

Then try one of the courses I've linked. They're free.

Ecology and Evolutionary Biology | Open Yale Courses
Introduction to Genetics and Evolution | Coursera

 

[Kenny'sID]

Then try one of the courses I've linked:

Ecology and Evolutionary Biology | Open Yale Courses
Introduction to Genetics and Evolution | Coursera

I told you what was much more sensible, and that hasn't changed in the last 10 whole minutes, besides, I'd rather continue to watch you prove my point.

 

[pitabread]

I told you what was much more sensible and that hasn't changed in the last 10 whole minutes, besides, I'd rather continue to watch you prove my point.

Guess you're not that interested after all. Oh well.

Btw, asking a person to summarize an entire course worth of material for your consumption isn't "sensible". You're asking someone to do real work. I'd do it, but only if you paid* me to do it. Otherwise, the course material is already there free for anyone who honestly wishes to learn.

* On that note, the time I did consulting work my chargeout rate was $200/hr. But I'd give you a discount and do it for half-price, because we're such good friends here. I figure to summarize that Yale course at about ~45 mins/lecture to watch and take notes, another 30 minutes to write each summary, and 36 lectures to summarize, you're looking at about $4500 all in. I'll even be extra generous and round down to $4k even.

So here's the deal. You give me four-thousand dollars, and I'll produce a complete written summary for your personal enjoyment of that entire Yale course on evolution. Deal?

 

[HitchSlap]

I really do, show me.

You’ll never know understand ToE.

 

[Kenny'sID]

You’ll never know understand ToE.

How bout you? Or do you think it's too hard for the average Joe to understand so that knowledge should be kept to those intelligent enough to understand? But if not, will you prove evolution, and answer fair questions along the way? Safely assuming you will not...what's stopping you from doing that?