Why aren't christians doing anything

[dana b]

Yes it is a spiritual fight and one which the global church is actively engaged in. You are also right that those who speak the truth inside the Muslim world are often hunted down and killed for it. In the fight against a death cult like ISIS there has to be a military dimension since they rule by intimidation. People who become Christians or stand for the faith in this context end up dead. But Christians more broadly should be pressuring their governments to take action or to exert the pressure in the right places so that something is done

Today the earth/Eurasia is dividing into three parts as the Bible shows in many ways. Christianity is called Israel,(Jesus's true Israel), Islam, the decendants of Hagar the Egyptian's son Ishmael is Islam/Isis. And the Hindu's and Buddhists cultures of the far east are the decendants of Abraham's son's of Keturah.

So the earth/Urasia dividing into three religious cultural regions today is normal. We Christians should get the heck out of there. Islam is today liberating itself as has been fortold.

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[Hoshiyya]

Today the earth/Eurasia is dividing into three parts as the Bible shows in many ways. Christianity is called Israel,(Jesus's true Israel), Islam, the decendants of Hagar the Egyptian's son Ishmael is Islam/Isis. And the Hindu's and Buddhists cultures of the far east are the decendants of Abraham's son's of Keturah.

So the earth/Urasia dividing into three religious cultural regions today is normal. We Christians should get the heck out of there. Islam is today liberating itself as has been fortold.

http://www.christianidentityrevealed2012.com/Chapter%204/ChapterFour%20(9).jpg
http://www.christianidentityrevealed2012.com/Chapter 4/ChapterFour (10).jpg

There may be said to be three primary philosophies or civilizations in the world:

One represented by Plato (or Pythagoras), who stands for the West, for Christianity, secularism, humanism, etc.

Another represented by Moses (or Hammurabi), who stands for the Median civilizations and ideologies of Israel, the Islamic Ummah, Sumer, Babylon, etc.

Another represented by Buddha (or Confucius), who stands for the Eastern civilizations and ideologies of India, Tibet, China, the Hindus, Jains, Confucians, Daoists, etc.

 

[CryOfALion]

heheh ... really ?

Yep. That is the way the narrative paints it. Remember Libya?

 

[Hoshiyya]

Yep. That is the way the narrative paints it. Remember Libya?

I question that narrative . . . to say Facebook has ANY import is utter foolishness.

 

[CryOfALion]

I question that narrative . . . to say Facebook has ANY import is utter foolishness.

K...

 

[dana b]

There may be said to be three primary philosophies or civilizations in the world:

One represented by Plato (or Pythagoras), who stands for the West, for Christianity, secularism, humanism, etc.

Another represented by Moses (or Hammurabi), who stands for the Median civilizations and ideologies of Israel, the Islamic Ummah, Sumer, Babylon, etc.

Another represented by Buddha (or Confucius), who stands for the Eastern civilizations and ideologies of India, Tibet, China, the Hindus, Jains, Confucians, Daoists, etc.

Yes and these are the cultural decsendants of Abraham's sons. Ishmael's followers became the Islamic nation. It is the centre strip which with it's desert effectively divides the other two religious cultures apart from each other.
On the western side of the "earth"(Eurasia) are the descendants of Isaac. They, by following the Israel Messiah Jesus have today formed the European Christian nations. These are all Christian cultured by tradition.

In the east the "sons of Keturah" were sent by Abraham with gifts, the Vedas. They are the "sons" of Keturah and so have today developed two religious cultures. These are Hinduism and it's variations and Buddhism.

So the Bible's forecast of Abraham's blessing being to all the inhabitats of the "Earth" has occurred. The earth was as mentioned, understood and believed in truth to be "a round piece of earth surrounded by water. It is Eurasia.

 

[Viren]

When the first Christians were being persecuted and killed 2000 years ago in the Roman Empire did they take up arms and fight?

 

[lismore]

In Iraq and Syria Christians are being slaughtered and oppressed by ISIS.
We've seen Kurdish people living abroad go back to Kurdistan to fight with the peshmerga that is aiding christians.

Why are there no Christians as far as I know taking up arms or atleast helping and supporting the Peshmerga or the Christian groups in Iraq?/

Many Christians are probably unaware of what's happening there.

 

[RDKirk]

In Iraq and Syria Christians are being slaughtered and oppressed by ISIS.
We've seen Kurdish people living abroad go back to Kurdistan to fight with the peshmerga that is aiding christians.

Why are there no Christians as far as I know taking up arms or atleast helping and supporting the Peshmerga or the Christian groups in Iraq?/

In the US it's quite frankly because Christians in America consider themselves Americans first and American Christians second. Christians elsewhere can't cross the first step, so aren't considered for the second.

Christians in America salivated over the invasion of Iraq and the expectation of a "new field" to evangelize without even realizing that Christians were already there, or discrediting them because they were't American Christian

And we can know this because such Christians have even been on this same forum, actually asserting that the Christians in Iraq were inconsequential because they'd failed at converting the nation.

 

[Hoshiyya]

Yes and these are the cultural decsendants of Abraham's sons. Ishmael's followers became the Islamic nation. It is the centre strip which with it's desert effectively divides the other two religious cultures apart from each other.
On the western side of the "earth"(Eurasia) are the descendants of Isaac. They, by following the Israel Messiah Jesus have today formed the European Christian nations. These are all Christian cultured by tradition.

In the east the "sons of Keturah" were sent by Abraham with gifts, the Vedas. They are the "sons" of Keturah and so have today developed two religious cultures. These are Hinduism and it's variations and Buddhism.

So the Bible's forecast of Abraham's blessing being to all the inhabitats of the "Earth" has occurred. The earth was as mentioned, understood and believed in truth to be "a round piece of earth surrounded by water. It is Eurasia.

Well I don't see any connection between Isaac and Europe to be honest. Tradition says that Edom, who had red hair, may be the forefather of certain European nations however.

(This is merely categorizing, but I would probably include Daoism and maybe even Shenism as one of the main three Eastern religions.)

 

[interpreter]

We are now fighting the Battle of Ar Mageddon (which began on 9/11 when the Euphrates was dry). It will end when Jerusalem is split 3 ways.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

In the US it's quite frankly because Christians in America consider themselves Americans first and American Christians second. Christians elsewhere can't cross the first step, so aren't considered for the second.

Christians in America salivated over the invasion of Iraq and the expectation of a "new field" to evangelize without even realizing that Christians were already there, or discrediting them because they were't American Christian

And we can know this because such Christians have even been on this same forum, actually asserting that the Christians in Iraq were inconsequential because they'd failed at converting the nation.

Western Christians can take some comfort on behalf of those martyred in the middle east, as they will achieve a better resurrection.

 

[parsley]

Christians are not a political group, or country, or even a single organization. We may belong to a network of faith, but our shared purposes are love, drawing near to God, caring for humanity, upholding truth, and bringing peace into others' lives.

Christians stay active in humanitarian relief (above), and do not tend to respond en masse to political provocation. In any country, you can find Samaritan's Purse, Catholic Charities, Operation Blessing, medical mission teams, independent mission workers with jobs like teaching or orphanage coordination... many people get involved with regions in crisis.

I was in a city that was predominantly Muslim, and met a missionary who said, "Oh sure, there are 700 of us in the city." They were not there to fight, or correct, or make money -- they were there to offer help. Education, medicine, food and shelter, clothing, microfinance -- that is how we promote effective change.

If we play the same game as the bullies, are we not becoming bullies ourselves? There are more options.

It is true that injustices and the fast spread of a dictatorship needs attention. There are experts in that realm who are attending to that, and we support them in tax dollars, votes, aid to those suffering, prayer, and joining formal military ranks. Yes, we should be less passive. But individual Christians do join the official military forces of our respective countries.

Christians generally try to work with their existing leadership, to enact change.

It would be crazy for any of us to imagine we were trained or savvy enough as individuals (or Christian groups) to stand up against an extremely well-funded, well-armed, extremely violent and reckless wave of militants.

That is like leaping into a volcano, expecting to stop it.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Christians are not a political group, or country, or even a single organization. We may belong to a network of faith, but our shared purposes are love, drawing near to God, caring for humanity, upholding truth, and bringing peace into others' lives.

Christians stay active in humanitarian relief (above), and do not tend to respond en masse to political provocation. In any country, you can find Samaritan's Purse, Catholic Charities, Operation Blessing, medical mission teams, independent mission workers with jobs like teaching or orphanage coordination... many people get involved with regions in crisis.

I was in a city that was predominantly Muslim, and met a missionary who said, "Oh sure, there are 700 of us in the city." They were not there to fight, or correct, or make money -- they were there to offer help. Education, medicine, food and shelter, clothing, microfinance -- that is how we promote effective change.

If we play the same game as the bullies, are we not becoming bullies ourselves? There are more options.

It is true that injustices and the fast spread of a dictatorship needs attention. There are experts in that realm who are attending to that, and we support them in tax dollars, votes, aid to those suffering, prayer, and joining formal military ranks. Yes, we should be less passive. But individual Christians do join the official military forces of our respective countries.

Christians generally try to work with their existing leadership, to enact change.

It would be crazy for any of us to imagine we were trained or savvy enough as individuals (or Christian groups) to stand up against an extremely well-funded, well-armed, extremely violent and reckless wave of militants.

That is like leaping into a volcano, expecting to stop it.

 

[dana b]

Well I don't see any connection between Isaac and Europe to be honest. Tradition says that Edom, who had red hair, may be the forefather of certain European nations however.

(This is merely categorizing, but I would probably include Daoism and maybe even Shenism as one of the main three Eastern religions.)

Jesus said that "you who follow me shall sit upon 12 thrones" for the regeneration.Matt.19;28 That is how we know today that the 12 stars of the EU represent "those who followed him." The woman with 12 stars upon her head of Rev.12;1 is also showing us by parable that the nations that followed Christ are the true Israel. The ones who didn't acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah are today nations of other religious cultures.

All of the "earth" which is the round piece of land surrounded by water called Eurasia was prophesied to be "blessed by Abraham." So his Grandson Isaac line eventually followed Jesus and founded Christianity. The center of Eurasia is divided by a desert strip from Morocco to China. It is predominantly today inhabited by Islamic culture. They claim to be decendants of Ishmael who was Abraham's eldest son. To the east Abraham sent his concubines "sons." They are reffered to in Genesis as the "sons of Keturah." They were the invading Aryans over the mountains of Afganistan and settling India to form "Vedic culture." Abraham sent them to the east "with gifts."

Vedic culture which is Hinduism later developed Buddhism which found it's place in Southeast Asia and China and Japan. So the "sons" of keturah are two. These two sons are the ancestors of Hindu and Buddist religious culture.

 

[klibera]

It's not that easy for Christians to help. The US govt is a reluctant player. The EU is always reluctant. We have a void in our own backyard even though I have implored my Congress people to intercede on behalf of muslims, Copts, Jews.

 

[andy b]

christians dont do anything because other christians don't back them up they are cowards

they back muslims and atheists over christians its a disgrace

 

[HonestTruth]

In Iraq and Syria Christians are being slaughtered and oppressed by ISIS.
We've seen Kurdish people living abroad go back to Kurdistan to fight with the peshmerga that is aiding christians.

Why are there no Christians as far as I know taking up arms or atleast helping and supporting the Peshmerga or the Christian groups in Iraq?/

Christians have done something - but they have gotten kidnapped or intimidated and have fled the battle scene. War isn't for adventurers - it is serious business best left to professionals.

 

[lismore]

In Iraq and Syria Christians are being slaughtered and oppressed by ISIS.
We've seen Kurdish people living abroad go back to Kurdistan to fight with the peshmerga that is aiding christians.

Why are there no Christians as far as I know taking up arms or atleast helping and supporting the Peshmerga or the Christian groups in Iraq?/

There don't even seem to be many 'Christians' speaking out in support of the persecuted church.

Indeed nominal Christians like Obama, Cameron and Francis seem to be falling over themselves to say that persecution from followers of Islam has nothing to do with Islam.

Why aren't more Christians speaking out for their persecuted brethren in Iraq?

It's a very tough question because we all should be speaking out.

 

[GodlyYours]

The bitter truth is there aren't many Westerner civilians, Christians or not, who will risk their lives for Iraqis, Christians or not. Not that any non-Westerners will do the same - we should freely admit that we're all products of generations of cowardly men, too busy in our shallow lives, too weak and afraid to step out of our imaginary comfort zones.

I would like to salute all those bravehearts in Iraq and Syria - Christians or not - who have put their lives on the line to help the war-stricken civilians, Christians or not.