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theseed said:
Does faith alone mean that baptism does not save?

Of coarse water baptism does not save. In a dry lost hell bound sinner. Out a wet lost hell bound sinner.

Baptismal regeneration is one of the reason i full well reject Catholicism. I reject many protestant denominations for the same reason.

John 1:33 " And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost."

Notice in this verse the one the Holy Spirit decends upon baptiseth with the Holy Ghost. That refering to jesus of coarse.

Where those that teach baptismal regeneration go wrong is when they take some of the scriptures that refer to the nessesity of baptism and automaticially assume they mean dunked or sprinkled with water. Yet Jesus does not ues water he "baptizeth with the Holy Ghost".
 
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theseed said:
Does faith alone mean that baptism does not save?
Baptism does not save, but as an act of faith, it is an important part of salvation. It certiantly is more than a symbol, but it is useless without faith.
 
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tigersnare said:
This question is strickly for Protestants(ovbiously), but mainly for those who have researched and studied other belief systems, including those inside and outside Christianity.

So why are you Protestant?

Tigersnare,

I have been mulling over your question for a couple of days now. I want to be able to answer this in an acceptable manner for all those interested, especially you. From the way you have worded the question, I gather you want to know why we are Protestant as opposed to ________ (fill in the blank w/Catholic, Orthodox, Muslim, etc . . . ). Am I correct?

I noticed on the OBOB forum, where they bemoan and bewail our lowly Protestant antics, they don’t like the way some people have answered your question. The reason is because some people simply are not telling you why they are Protestant, but why they are not Catholic. Well, I think the way you have presented the question, it’s more of a “Now that you’ve read and seen the overwhelming evidence in favor of all the claims put forth by the Catholic Church, why haven’t you converted?” question. Forgive me if I’m wrong.

I feel this is the intent of your thread because if someone hasn’t researched or studied other belief systems, they’re reasoning for belonging to their particular faith would be rather simple. Reasons could be like, “It’s the church I was raised in,” “It’s the church my wife/husband attends,” “It’s the first church I attended as a guest and just stayed,” and on and on that way. I think we would agree that very few people choose their faith/denomination based up research or historical evidence. Usually, when someone finds a place where he fits and feels loved as if he were home, he usually stays put.

Now, to answer your question, “Why am I Protestant as opposed to _______?” I’ll do the best that I can. Until approximately three years ago, I was rather ignorant regarding Christianity in terms of separate denominations. My view of Christianity was very simplistic, and I would be quite content to keep it that way, but---to late. I didn’t know squat about Catholicism, except that the Baptists (those I was acquainted with) appeared to hold the Catholic faith in contempt (and vice versa). Well, my daughter was dating a Catholic, and it became clear that they would eventually marry. So, I didn’t know what all the “to do” regarding Catholicism was about. But, I didn’t want to run the risk of saying something stupid and hurtful to my daughter’s boyfriend/eventual husband out of ignorance and began participating on Message Boards to educate myself. Now having the benefit of hindsight, Message Boards probably weren’t the best choice for learning about a particular faith, but through other Christians I discovered where to find sources on all subjects.

I was rather stunned to see the claims that Catholics made and couldn’t figure out how they dared to make such claims. Now, I don’t necessarily agree with these claims, but I understand where they come from and see how Catholics legitimize these things. I didn’t just outright reject all that they claimed. I did check references and sources and am glad that I did. I mean everytime someone quoted a Church Father, my instinct was to say, “So, he was Catholic . . . of course he agreed with you . . . .” But, then I began reading the Fathers myself. I set out beginning to read the earliest fathers and am still working my way forward. Catholics accuse us of quoting fathers out of context, thus misrepresenting what they really believed. Well, then they are guilty of the same. The main reason I still reject much of what Catholicism teaches is not only do I find it either contrary to Scripture or unsupported by Scripture, I find it contrary to and unsupported by many of the earliest fathers. Now, you must understand, I’m not saying that any father was Baptist, Penecostal, Methodist, Lutheran, etc . . . just that they were not Catholic as Catholics now claim.

The Catholic Church teaches:

Papal Infallibility
Infallibility of the Magisterium
Laypersons can not trust themselves to correctly understand Scripture
Perpetual Virginity of Mary
Immaculate Conception
Mary was sinless
Must attend Confession
Real Presence (Transubstantiation)
That it (CC) is the same Church established by Christ in 33 A.D.

There are other issues, but I think my post is probably too long already. If you wish to discuss the particulars about the issues I posted above, please PM me and we can talk.

God Bless!!

Lisa
 
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tigersnare said:
This question is strickly for Protestants(ovbiously), but mainly for those who have researched and studied other belief systems, including those inside and outside Christianity.


So why are you Protestant?
Hi ts,

I've already answered your question, but in light of many of the other answers here, I hope you won't mind me speaking up again. What I mean is, I've seen some answers here that appear to be saying that some people choose their faith based upon their personal preference (although I think that, in some cases at least, that's more because of a poor choice of words rather than the actual sentiments of the poster.) Now, I'm sure you would agree that there's only one reason for believing and basing one's life and convictions on something, and that is that it's the truth. So to me, you're question translates into two questions. The first is, "Why do you believe Christianity is the truth?" and the second is, "Why do you believe that Protestantism (in whichever form you believe and practice it) is the truest expression of Christianity?"

One thing I've found repeatedly in discussions I've engaged in with both Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox believers is that, since we all define ourselves as Christians, we tend to skip over the first question, why we're Christians, and focus strictly on the second, why we believe that whichever distinctives we hold to are the truest expression of the Christian faith? What I've continually found to happen because of that is that the Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox believers who ask questions about our epistemology that are designed to demonstrate what they perceive as some fundamental flaw in our reasoning, end up undermining reason, itself, and the whole of Christianity, as well as any other worldview or belief system. In other words, they try to insert skepticism because they believe it exposes a flaw in our reasoning, but they fail to recognize what post-modernists have found--that skepticism, as an epistemology, undermines all truth claims--not just "the other guy's." This is something you need to be aware of. So before you ask yourself "Catholic or Protestant" (or Eastern Orthodox or Anglican, etc.) you must first answer the question what do I believe, and why?

Ultimately, what the answer comes down to for me, and what I believe it must come down to for any Christian who really knows that what s/he believes is true is that we believe what we do because of the impossibility of the contrary. In other words, we know the worldview revealed in Scripture is true, because it's the only worldview that makes the human experience of reality intelligible. Once that question is clarified in our thinking--that we know that what Scripture reveals is true because of the impossibility of the contrary, then we're in a position to start examining which form of Christianity is the truest expression of the revealed truth of the triune God, His interaction with His creation, and the salvation that comes through the redemptive work of the second person of the Trinity, the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and the regenerative work of the Holy Spirit.

Now many of the Roman Catholics on this board present things as if Roman Catholicism and it's particular hierarchichal structure was the "original" church, and that Protestants broke off from "the church." These people believe that the issues of ecclesiology and justification (the two real "biggies" that divide us) were settled from day one on, until Protestants came along sixteen centuries later and decided to dispute those things, and that therefore, they were rightly excommunicated for rejecting supposedly established, apostolic truth. But if you really look "deep in history," that's simply not what you'll find. Disputes over ecclesiology ran all throughout church history, and the issue of justification--which is known as the material cause of the Reformation--was never even attempted to be formally ironed out before Martin Luther brought the issue to the forefront. There were a variety of views, and no one who could definitively say which one was "the view of the church." And this, of course, all ties in with the issue of authority and sola Scriptura, which, itself, is generally misrepresented by non-Protestants. What we find throughout the history of God's people, both under the Old Covenant and the New, is that God has always accomplished His sovereign purposes despite our rebellion and our limitations because of spiritual immaturity and of only seeing "through a glass darkly." Some people interpret that lack of "perfectionism" as confusion, and rule it out on that basis. But the Bible never teaches that God's people will never be confused about anything. What it teaches is that God is not the author of that confusion. God is glorified despite our imperfections. He won't abandon His people, and the gates of Hell have not and will not prevail against the church, even when we define the church as the people under the New Covenant like the Bible does, and not as the Roman magisterium that Roman Catholics define it as (in this context, anyway).

I'm a Protestant because I could never trade what I'm convinced the Bible teaches about what God's grace really is for the idea of so-called "graces" I need to "merit salvation", just so that I could have the comforting idea of an "infallible magisterium." I could never justify teachings and practices that I'm persuaded to the core of my being plainly undermine Biblical truth for the sake of a catechism of "infallible teachings." I'm a Protestant because the gospel I received and that gives me hope (the gospel that teaches that I've been reconciled with God because God's righteous judgment that justifies me is based upon the perfect active and passive righteousness of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ), is what I see taught in the Word of God--the very Scriptures upon which my faith was borne and founded.

Again, feel free to ask me questions about anything I've said if it isn't clear.

God bless!
 
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tigersnare said:
This question is strickly for Protestants(ovbiously), but mainly for those who have researched and studied other belief systems, including those inside and outside Christianity.


So why are you Protestant?
cuz i dont like the worship of saints, and mary :p

haha but seriously, I agree with the catholic church as much as i believe yelling in someones ear is ok. The doctrines of the RC Church (and yes i look at them from thier viewpoint even though they say i dont) are just out of whack. Mind you some protestant churches do it too.

i hate the saying "the lesser of 2 evils", but its what i have to go with.

edit: it should be re-emphasized that i do not believe catholics worship mary or saints. and i love my catholic brethren. its those dang doctrinal differences... peace
 
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i should add, i am not a muslim because thier God is a lie, i am not mormon because the founder prophised that there were 6ft tall quakers living on the moon and he lied (if he told the truth i might be inclind to agree) i am not JW because JC is not the brother or Satan, and i am not buhdist because i dont believe you should smoke that much weed all at once, and i am not taoist because i want to know my God.
 
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Good post A.B.

I haven't done intense study of all religions.I have done some reading, though. I believe that I am protestant because that is how I was raised. I believe that God put it in my heart to be Christian.

As far as baptism goes for salvation, I refer to 1 Peter 3:21. I believe baptism to be a work of God, not man.
 
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