Why are you here?

[Nihilismus]

Still ain't your experience until it gets to you and you CHOOSE how you respond.



Naah. I'm just playing the game that you wanted to play.

You make the choice to do what you do. You can tack any word you want to it. If you die without accepting Him as Lord and Savior and confessing and repenting of your sin, God is gonna hold YOU responsible for CHOOSING to sin and reject Him.

How can I choose if my heart condition does not allow me to?

 

[Zaac]

How can I choose if my heart condition does not allow me to?

Then you'll choose not to and it's still your free will.

 

[roflcopter101]

Then you were taught incorrectly. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit comes AFTER you choose to accept the gift that Christ offers.

[citation needed]
Quote is unrelated to topic at hand.

From the beginning of your premise, you were confused. Thus your conclusion is confused and wrong.

Personal attacks are not very nice.

You make the choice to do what you do. You can tack any word you want to it. If you die without accepting Him as Lord and Savior and confessing and repenting of your sin, God is gonna hold YOU responsible for CHOOSING to sin and reject Him.

What about the Flying Spaghetti Monster, then? Would he hold me responsible for not believing in him?
May his noodly appendage be blessed.

 

[Nihilismus]

Then you'll choose not to and it's still your free will.

But you said I cannot find God because of my heart condition! That means it's out of my control!

 

[OphidiaPhile]

Cause you chose them.



You chose how you would react. Still free will.

Chemical reactions in the brain are never the same between two people so no not a choice.

 

[Zaac]

[citation needed]
Quote is unrelated to topic at hand.

Personal attacks are not very nice.

That wasn't a personal attack. He was taught wrong. The Holy SPirit indwells after you are saved.

What about the Flying Spaghetti Monster, then? Would he hold me responsible for not believing in him?
May his noodly appendage be blessed.

Probably not. The fake gods yall create tend to do whatever you want.

 

[Zaac]

Chemical reactions in the brain are never the same between two people so no not a choice.

They don't have to be the same. You're still making the choices.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Probably not. The fake gods yall create tend to do whatever you want.

I'm sorry Zaac, the supernaturalism of pasta is there for all to see.

Lasagna proves it.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Chemical reactions in the brain are never the same between two people so no not a choice.

And with that we can excuse science from the room.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

Actually I am here not there.

And always remember that wherever you go that's where you are.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

They don't have to be the same. You're still making the choices.

You would be amazed at how wrong you are.

 

[Beanieboy]

I've been thinking about the "Indwelling" comment, as Olde English as it were.

I was taught that we must ask Jesus to come inside our heart, and if we don't, he is outside, getting pizza or something.

However, as I have gotten older, I realize how silly that is. If one is to believe that God is in the past, future, and present at once, that he is in all places at once, that he is a part of all things, then he is surely a part of us.

As with Adam, when God breathed into him, I believe a part of God literally is in each human being. I sat for a while, imagining God as my very breath. I can hold it, but it is like holding back God, and I will either die, because the oxygen (God) must reach all of my body in my blood. However, I usually just let it out. It goes in an out my entire life, while I am awake, while I am sleeping, always a part of me, my breath being nothing without my body, and my body being nothing without my breath.

And I just sat there in meditation, imagining God being that integrated into us.

So often, we have a human idea of God, and his limitations. We go into church, and think God lives there, alone 6 days a week, and communing with him only on Sunday morning. It's as if we build a church, and then imagine our ability to contain God, who is uncontainable, being a part of everything.

So, I question whether Jesus is sitting outside your heart, knocking on the door, and this is one place where God is not. Rather, I think in "Accepting Jesus" or God or whatever, one is simply acknowledging that God is already there, that God is a part of their being, that the voice inside them steering them, weighing upon them when they do wrong, is, indeed, God. We simply go from ignoring him, to listening, and acknowledging. We go from a child who asks their parent for things like toys, to being adults who ask their parents what they can do for them, now that they are grown, showing their gratitude.

When one does not show the fruit of the Spirit, I don't know if that means that the person does not have the Spirit dwelling inside. It means that it is a tree that is not watered, not cared for, neglected, and so, weeds grow of condemnation, haughtiness, and other poisons of the soul.

I am unwilling to limit God to Christianity, as if Christians had a monopoly on God, controlled God. I am unwilling to believe that Jews have a monopoly on God. God may come through wherever he chooses, much like a dandelion may grow in the crack of a sidewalk. In this way, I am able to see the God in others, to bow to the God in others, and so, remembering to love my neighbor as myself, remembering the person loved by God equally, and searching for that connection we each have, which is God's love. I am unwilling to believe that I have some magic power over Salvation, must say the magic words, do something, that makes it "activate". I do nothing, and he does everything. And I refuse to tell others that God only loves his own, because I will not limit God's love that is far surpassing than anyone could ever understand.

And at times, I even question the use of the word "God", thinking of Moses, saying, "Whom shall I say that you are?" and God answering, "I am that I am". God is so complex, that one can't even really name him, explain if God is a being, a spirit, an entity, and yet, know him.

And that allows me to understand God far more, taking him out of a Sunday Shoebox like believing I hold sunlight in a box, setting it free, and understanding the magnitude of whom or what we are dealing with, that cannot be contained simply because it permeates all things, including the container that we are foolishly holding.

 

[Zaac]

I've been thinking about the "Indwelling" comment, as Olde English as it were.

I was taught that we must ask Jesus to come inside our heart, and if we don't, he is outside, getting pizza or something.

However, as I have gotten older, I realize how silly that is. If one is to believe that God is in the past, future, and present at once, that he is in all places at once, that he is a part of all things, then he is surely a part of us.

As with Adam, when God breathed into him, I believe a part of God literally is in each human being. I sat for a while, imagining God as my very breath. I can hold it, but it is like holding back God, and I will either die, because the oxygen (God) must reach all of my body in my blood. However, I usually just let it out. It goes in an out my entire life, while I am awake, while I am sleeping, always a part of me, my breath being nothing without my body, and my body being nothing without my breath.

And I just sat there in meditation, imagining God being that integrated into us.

So often, we have a human idea of God, and his limitations. We go into church, and think God lives there, alone 6 days a week, and communing with him only on Sunday morning. It's as if we build a church, and then imagine our ability to contain God, who is uncontainable, being a part of everything.

So, I question whether Jesus is sitting outside your heart, knocking on the door, and this is one place where God is not. Rather, I think in "Accepting Jesus" or God or whatever, one is simply acknowledging that God is already there, that God is a part of their being, that the voice inside them steering them, weighing upon them when they do wrong, is, indeed, God. We simply go from ignoring him, to listening, and acknowledging. We go from a child who asks their parent for things like toys, to being adults who ask their parents what they can do for them, now that they are grown, showing their gratitude.

When one does not show the fruit of the Spirit, I don't know if that means that the person does not have the Spirit dwelling inside. It means that it is a tree that is not watered, not cared for, neglected, and so, weeds grow of condemnation, haughtiness, and other poisons of the soul.

I am unwilling to limit God to Christianity, as if Christians had a monopoly on God, controlled God. I am unwilling to believe that Jews have a monopoly on God. God may come through wherever he chooses, much like a dandelion may grow in the crack of a sidewalk. In this way, I am able to see the God in others, to bow to the God in others, and so, remembering to love my neighbor as myself, remembering the person loved by God equally, and searching for that connection we each have, which is God's love. I am unwilling to believe that I have some magic power over Salvation, must say the magic words, do something, that makes it "activate". I do nothing, and he does everything. And I refuse to tell others that God only loves his own, because I will not limit God's love that is far surpassing than anyone could ever understand.

And at times, I even question the use of the word "God", thinking of Moses, saying, "Whom shall I say that you are?" and God answering, "I am that I am". God is so complex, that one can't even really name him, explain if God is a being, a spirit, an entity, and yet, know him.

And that allows me to understand God far more, taking him out of a Sunday Shoebox like believing I hold sunlight in a box, setting it free, and understanding the magnitude of whom or what we are dealing with, that cannot be contained simply because it permeates all things, including the container that we are foolishly holding.

2Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping. 2 Peter 2:2-3

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[Zaac]

You would be amazed at how wrong you are.

At the rate yall are spreading this mess, unfortunately, a lot of folks gonna be amazed on the Day of Judgment to find out how wrong yall were and how right God's Word is.

 

[roflcopter101]

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Lolwut?

 

[Beanieboy]

Gee, Zaac, on Judgment Day, I will say, Wow, you were actually right. God is kind of an Ogre, flicking people into hell with no pity, and man activates the taking away the sins of Jesus, and not Jesus himself.

Boy, do I have egg on my face.

But until then, I think you are full of beans.

 

[tcampen]

At the rate yall are spreading this mess, unfortunately, a lot of folks gonna be amazed on the Day of Judgment to find out how wrong yall were and how right God's Word is.

Christians have been saying this for 2,000 years, thinking the end would come in their own lives. And you've all been mistaken now for 2,000 years.

Perhaps, just perhaps, YOUR concept of the bible isn't as accurate as you'd hoped. But then again, your utter inability to support anything you say hasn't stopped you from believing whatever you choose to believe, regardless of the evidence, regardless of logic, regardless of even common sense. Hey, I might be wrong about the basis for what you believe, but you've provided no reason to think otherwise.

We're all waiting. God is still waiting.

 

[Zaac]

Gee, Zaac, on Judgment Day, I will say, Wow, you were actually right. God is kind of an Ogre, flicking people into hell with no pity,

It doesn't matter what you say. If you're not saved, you can throw a tantrum for all eternity, and God is STILL going to reign as justly as ever.

and man activates the taking away the sins of Jesus,

That must be according to your version of the Bible. In mine, God is God ALONE.

and not Jesus himself.

STrange version you're reading.

Boy, do I have egg on my face.

But until then, I think you are full of beans.

18"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. 20Remember the words I spoke to you: 'No servant is greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. 21They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the One who sent me. John 15:18-21

 

[Zaac]

Christians have been saying this for 2,000 years, thinking the end would come in their own lives. And you've all been mistaken now for 2,000 years.

Perhaps, just perhaps, YOUR concept of the bible isn't as accurate as you'd hoped. But then again, your utter inability to support anything you say hasn't stopped you from believing whatever you choose to believe, regardless of the evidence, regardless of logic, regardless of even common sense. Hey, I might be wrong about the basis for what you believe, but you've provided no reason to think otherwise.

We're all waiting. God is still waiting.

3First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."

5But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. 2 Peter 3:3-7

 

[OphidiaPhile]

3First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."

5But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. 2 Peter 3:3-7

The world is a few Billion years old, give or take, your god seems to be very much overdue.