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Zaac said:You caused your heart to be in the condition that it's in. Still free will. But I bore of this.
Can you will your heart to have a heart attack?
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If certain circumstances have led to the condition of my heart and the condition of my heart has led me to reject God, how is my choice anything but an illusion brought about by causation? You have said, after all, that it is the condition of my heart that prevents me from accepting God's word...so how exactly am I free?You caused your heart to be in the condition that it's in. Still free will. But I bore of this.
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Could you explain this please? That generation has died completely, and Christ did not return before it did.
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I was always taught that it was the Holy Spirit moving within you that often led you to choose God.
So, it isn't something we do all on our own, if on our own at all.
One can certainly choose to live life loving others, and thus, serving God, or to live selfishly, and serve only the self, regardless of what label you put on it.
However, I don't think one can "deny" Christ unless they purposely live a life of selfishness in their actions, and it would seem to me that God would at least have mercy on the non Christian who didn't know better, but be very harsh on the one who claims to serve Christ, but actually only serves themselves, knowing better, and still not caring.
One who denies that God even exists can't really reject God anymore than he can reject Spiderman, but the Christian who believes, and yet, rejects the call to love their neighbor as themselves, pleases only man, themselves, and no one else.
So, it isn't something we do all on our own, if on our own at all.
One can certainly choose to live life loving others, and thus, serving God, or to live selfishly, and serve only the self, regardless of what label you put on it.
However, I don't think one can "deny" Christ unless they purposely live a life of selfishness in their actions, and it would seem to me that God would at least have mercy on the non Christian who didn't know better, but be very harsh on the one who claims to serve Christ, but actually only serves themselves, knowing better, and still not caring.
One who denies that God even exists can't really reject God anymore than he can reject Spiderman, but the Christian who believes, and yet, rejects the call to love their neighbor as themselves, pleases only man, themselves, and no one else.
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How are the circumstances I find myself in chosen? Is not every action I perform merely a reaction to something else?
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ROFL. Give it up guys. Zaac is not someone you are ever going to reason out of his opinions because he was not reasoned in to them. It is his strength, and his weakness.
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I have come to no clear conclusion on the matter, but there is something that I am still pondering. If Christ's murder took away the sin of the world, and in effect, making everyone saved from death, then the only thing that it would leave for Satan to do is to tell you that you aren't going to heaven, to make you doubt, live a life of fear, of dread, to tell you that what God wants for you is sacrifice, pain, and suffering to show how much you care, and that God could turn on you at any minute, so you have to be on your toes.
The threats are ones of fear, not love.
It's love under duress.
If I point a gun at you, and say, "Please marry me, and love me, and give your praise and compliments and money and gifts, and I will make you very happy. Please don't make me pull the trigger, which you have brought upon yourself, your own fault, and not mine at all,"
it would be love, and even saying, "Sure, I love you" would only be said out of fear of punishment, not out of thankfulness or joy or love or happiness.
Who can love someone that you are afraid of?
The threats are ones of fear, not love.
It's love under duress.
If I point a gun at you, and say, "Please marry me, and love me, and give your praise and compliments and money and gifts, and I will make you very happy. Please don't make me pull the trigger, which you have brought upon yourself, your own fault, and not mine at all,"
it would be love, and even saying, "Sure, I love you" would only be said out of fear of punishment, not out of thankfulness or joy or love or happiness.
Who can love someone that you are afraid of?
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But "choices" are still based on the experiences which determine them...
You seem to jump back and forth between free will and causality. Do I reject God because I choose to or because that is the way I am conditioned? You cannot have it both ways. It is one or the other.
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Then you were taught incorrectly. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit comes AFTER you choose to accept the gift that Christ offers.
The Bible says Matthew 12:25
Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.
That which is HOLY does not indwell that which is unHoly.
See above.
One can choose to "love" by one's own standard of love. And one can choose to love because one is now indwelled by the One Who is LOVE and first chose to love one.
Why? After all the times that He has remained merciful and allowed folks like the ones in this forum to hear His Truth, yet they still reject it because nobody has convinced them? Why should He continue to have mercy when the nonChristian chooses to reject the TRUTH that tells him better?
Okay. You keep feeding folks that lie. When they are standing before God's throne of judgment, about to be thrown into the Lake of Fire, the truth will be known and it will be too late.
Based upon what you said earlier, it appears your standard of love is different from God's.
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Still ain't your experience until it gets to you and you CHOOSE how you respond.
Naah. I'm just playing the game that you wanted to play.
You make the choice to do what you do. You can tack any word you want to it. If you die without accepting Him as Lord and Savior and confessing and repenting of your sin, God is gonna hold YOU responsible for CHOOSING to sin and reject Him.
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