Why are they deporting women?

[Belk]

Walking down the street after breaking into a house is not illegal either. But you can still be arrested for breaking into the house

Of course, but the claim was 100% of undocumented aliens are breaking the law. This is not the case as far as I can tell.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Of course, but the claim was 100% of undocumented aliens are breaking the law. This is not the case as far as I can tell.

100% of illegal immigrants broke the law.

 

[BPPLEE]

Of course, but the claim was 100% of undocumented aliens are breaking the law. This is not the case as far as I can tell.

Overstaying a visa is illegal as well as unauthorized entry.
That's how people end up being undocumented.
So it may not be a crime to be undocumented but a crime had to be committed to end up without documentation, unless someone just misplaced it

 

[ozso]

That may be, but no offense, I trust their understanding of the law over yours.

It has nothing to do with anyone's understanding. It's what the U.S. Code and the Department of Justice says. In order to refute the U.S. Code and the Department of Justice, one needs to cite an equal or superior source in order to effectively refute it.

 

[Belk]

100% of illegal immigrants broke the law.

So you continue to claim.

 

[Belk]

It has nothing to do with anyone's understanding. It's what the U.S. Code and the Department of Justice says. In order to refute the U.S. Code and the Department of Justice, one needs to cite an equal or superior source in order to effectively refute it.

It has quite a bit to do with understanding. I have said my piece.

 

[Belk]

Overstaying a visa is illegal as well as unauthorized entry.
That's how people end up being undocumented.
So it may not be a crime to be undocumented but a crime had to be committed to end up without documentation, unless someone just misplaced it

Then someone needs to let all the legal scholars know because they seem to believe differently <shrug>.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

So you continue to claim.

A claim that is true.

 

[ozso]

It has quite a bit to do with understanding. I have said my piece.

One's understanding does not change or override the U.S. Code.

 

[Postvieww]

Crossing the border unlawfully is the ultimate crime in the eyes of MAGA.

Ultimate crime no, but still a crime and worthy of deportation. Immigration is a privilege afforded to those who follow the law. It is not a right to be bestowed on those who break the immigration laws.

 

[ozso]

Then someone needs to let all the legal scholars know because they seem to believe differently <shrug>.

You've read what all of them have to say about it?

 

[BPPLEE]

Then someone needs to let all the legal scholars know because they seem to believe differently <shrug>.

It's like saying that cigarettes don't cause cancer.
They only cause cancer if you smoke them

 

[RDKirk]

Overstaying a visa is illegal as well as unauthorized entry.
That's how people end up being undocumented.
So it may not be a crime to be undocumented but a crime had to be committed to end up without documentation, unless someone just misplaced it

I don't think it's illegal to have misplaced your visa, except that you can't prove that you had one.

Certainly we have the technology to digitize visas so that they can be available to police agencies at any time, but we seldom make such good use for technology.

 

[BCP1928]

I don't think it's illegal to have misplaced your visa, except that you can't prove that you had one.

Certainly we have the technology to digitize visas so that they can be available to police agencies at any time, but we seldom make such good use for technology.

That's why ICE cancels student visas without telling the students. Then they definitely can arrest them for an illegal visa overstay.

 

[Belk]

You've read what all of them have to say about it?

I've read enough of them to see a pattern. I acknowledge there is evidence that certain types of entry into the united states is indeed a crime but it does not appear simply being undocumented is.

 

[BCP1928]

100% of illegal immigrants broke the law.

Even if they were granted legalized status afterwards, right?

 

[RDKirk]

That's why ICE cancels student visas without telling the students. Then they definitely can arrest them for an illegal visa overstay.

I suspect there was some "due process of law" that got skipped.

However, I see the tactic of the Administration is to skip due process and dare the courts to do something about it.

The framers of the Constitution expected that not more than one branch of government would be acting in bad faith at any given time.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Even if they were granted legalized status afterwards, right?

Yes, being granted legalized status after breaking the law doesn't erase the fact that they broken the law. Regarding immigration, the only fault of Trump is actually enforcing the laws.

 

[RDKirk]

Yes, being granted legalized status after breaking the law doesn't erase the fact that they broken the law.

Actually, it does. The fact that they earlier lacked legal status was the basis of granting them legal status. They wouldn't have to be granted legal status if the government had not already ascertained that they didn't have it.

Your assertion is as if someone who had once had charges for a crime dropped were to be re-prosecuted for the same crime the next day.

 

[BCP1928]

Yes, being granted legalized status after breaking the law doesn't erase the fact that they broken the law. Regarding immigration, the only fault of Trump is actually enforcing the laws.

What law did the Haitians break? Besides eating pets, that is.