Why are they deporting women?

[BCP1928]

Never claimed you did. How about you let me state my position instead of assuming I’m assigning it to you?

I’m curious why it’s bothering you that it’s being called criminal. In the end it doesn’t seem to matter. The end result is the same.

Because

1. The President promised to deport all illegal aliens. He promised that the immediate priority would be dangerous criminals; violent criminals, gangsters, etc. He got a serious swing vote for that which helped him win the election

2. Many people have the impression that just being here illegally, though a crime, is not a very dangerous or serious one. A policy based on the assumption that all illegal aliens are dangerous criminals is considered nativist bigotry and not what they wanted.

3. Consequently, many people who support the removal of illegal aliens don't support the way Trump is going about it.

 

[Belk]

I was stating my own position when I said “Either way, they should be deported.”

Which is fine. Stick to that instead of telling me my emotional state and we are good to go.

I believe the punishment in either case is still deportation. At least for a first time offence.

I believe that to be incorrect. When someone committed a crime we do not deport them we send them to jail.

 

[DaisyDay]

As I recall, former President Trump made a public announcement and even launched an app aimed at encouraging voluntary self-deportation.

Are you sure that was Trump who launched that app?

While I can't confirm whether every individual was formally notified, it seems that this process was made publicly known. Therefore, it appears that the scenario you're suggesting may be hypothetical rather than reflective of what actually occurred.

No, this happened to international students and TPS recipients.

Ultimately, individuals who were in the country illegally were often characterized by the left as "undocumented immigrants" or "asylum seekers," particularly during a time when a previous administration issued an executive order to deprioritize enforcement of certain immigration laws. The current administration reversed that directive and reinstated deportation procedures.

That's right, they are undocumented immigrants, many of whom are asylum seekers, no scare quotes needed. The former administration's priorities included following existing law and deporting the worst of the worst much as Trump claimed were his own until his actions proved otherwise.

 

[RDKirk]

That's right, they are undocumented immigrants, many of whom are asylum seekers, no scare quotes needed. The former administration's priorities included following existing law and deporting the worst of the worst much as Trump claimed were his own until his actions proved otherwise.

I have an acquaintance, a Christian pastor originally from Mali, who sought asylum in the US a bit after Ghadaffi was murdered and one particular warlord had taken control of Mali. My acquaintance was on a "kill list" issued by that warlord, which is why he had fled Mali and sought asylum in the US.

He told me a factor of seeking asylum that surprised me: If an asylum-seeker is denied asylum, that person is forever blocked from ever entering the US again, even as a tourist. That's because having previously sought asylum, he's considered high risk for remaining in the country illegally if ever permitted to enter again.

But technically, a true asylum seeker is documented.

 

[DaisyDay]

But technically, a true asylum seeker is documented.

Right, asylum seekers are not undocumented.

 

[MrMoe]

3. Consequently, many people who support the removal of illegal aliens don't support the way Trump is going about it.

In what way is Trump going about it that people don’t support?

 

[RDKirk]

In what way is Trump going about it that people don’t support?

They would rather it be done surreptitiously so they don't have to read about it in the news.

 

[MrMoe]

Which is fine. Stick to that instead of telling me my emotional state and we are good to go.

No idea what you’re talking about.
Never once mentioned your emotional state.

I believe that to be incorrect. When someone committed a crime we do not deport them we send them to jail.

Deportation is a consequence of crossing the border illegally into the U.S. whether it is a crime or not.

I doubt Americans want illegal immigrants filling up jail cells instead of being deported.

 

[BCP1928]

No idea what you’re talking about.
Never once mentioned your emotional state.



Deportation is a consequence of crossing the border illegally into the U.S. whether it is a crime or not.

I doubt Americans want illegal immigrants filling up jail cells instead of being deported.

There is strong support for it--punishing the criminal for his crime rather than letting him go free in his home country. What kind of message are you sending anyway? "If you sneak into the country will deport you if we catch you. If you committ a crime while you are here we won't bring you to trial for it, we will just deport you."

 

[Belk]

No idea what you’re talking about.
Never once mentioned your emotional state.

What the heck do you think "being upset" is? A rational decision process?

Oh, so you’re just upset it’s being called a crime. Okay, so it’s no a crime. Either way, they should be deported.

Deportation is a consequence of crossing the border illegally into the U.S. whether it is a crime or not.

I doubt Americans want illegal immigrants filling up jail cells instead of being deported.

Yeah, that is kind of the point of why it is not a crime. We don't want to spend a lot of money putting them in jail.

 

[BCP1928]

In what way is Trump going about it that people don’t support?

Haven't you been paying attention? There have been huge protests for clearly articulated reasons and the matter has been discussed thoroughly in this forum.

 

[MrMoe]

There is strong support for it--punishing the criminal for his crime rather than letting him go free in his home country.

Source?

What kind of message are you sending anyway? "If you sneak into the country will deport you if we catch you. If you committ a crime while you are here we won't bring you to trial for it, we will just deport you."

Who actually said this?

 

[MrMoe]

What the heck do you think "being upset" is? A rational decision process?

Yes, I would think being upset at something you disagree with is the natural, rational response. I just wasn’t sure what part you were upset about.

Yeah, that is kind of the point of why it is not a crime. We don't want to spend a lot of money putting them in jail.

Trump’s Border Czar Tom Homan says it’s a crime.

And what is Tom Homan doing to those people who cross the border illegally? Deporting them. So your complaint is trivial.

 

[MrMoe]

Haven't you been paying attention? There have been huge protests for clearly articulated reasons and the matter has been discussed thoroughly in this forum.

You’re dodging the question.
No, the protests haven’t clearly articulated the reasons. In fact they’ve made things more confusing. The protests have been called “No Kings” protests. What do kings have to do with illegal immigration? America hasn’t had a king since the 1700s. I also don’t read through every discussion in this forum.

So I’ll ask the question again. In what way is Trump going about it that people don’t support?

 

[trophy33]

Women must be deported first. They are making babies!

 

[Ophiolite]

Yes, I would think being upset at something you disagree with is the natural, rational response. I just wasn’t sure what part you were upset about.

Good to know. It is reasonable to presume that someone who is unable to distinguish the emotional state of being upset with a natural, rational response, probably presents arguments and assertions as allegedly rational that are actually tainted with emotion. A rational person would best ignore those arguments and assertions. Thanks for the tip.

 

[BCP1928]

Source?

LOL! Just take it as my unsupported opinion, then. But let me ask your opinion: If an illegal alien stole your car, wrecked it and was arrested, what would you want to happen to him? Tried and convicted of auto theft, served his sentence then deported? Or just deported?

Who actually said this?

That seems to be the position you are trying to articulate. that if an alien is caught, he will be deported. But that if he commits a crime while here he shouldn't be tried and punished for it here, he should just be deported. If that's not the point you are trying to make, then please clarify.

 

[BCP1928]

You’re dodging the question.
No, the protests haven’t clearly articulated the reasons. In fact they’ve made things more confusing. The protests have been called “No Kings” protests. What do kings have to do with illegal immigration? America hasn’t had a king since the 1700s. I also don’t read through every discussion in this forum.

The "No Kings" protests were not about immigration, they were about Trump's governing style. Of course, his governing style includes how he is handling immigration, but that is just coincidental. The "No Kings" protests were planned well before the behavior of ICE became an issue worth protesting for it's own sake.

So I’ll ask the question again. In what way is Trump going about it that people don’t support?

 

[Belk]

Yes, I would think being upset at something you disagree with is the natural, rational response. I just wasn’t sure what part you were upset about.



Trump’s Border Czar Tom Homan says it’s a crime.

And what is Tom Homan doing to those people who cross the border illegally? Deporting them. So your complaint is trivial.

 

[DaisyDay]

No idea what you’re talking about.
Never once mentioned your emotional state.

Twice:

Oh, so you’re just upset it’s being called a crime. Okay, so it’s no a crime. Either way, they should be deported.

I’m curious why it’s bothering you that it’s being called criminal. In the end it doesn’t seem to matter. The end result is the same.

Yes, I would think being upset at something you disagree with is the natural, rational response. I just wasn’t sure what part you were upset about.

If "being upset" were natural and rational, then why the "just" in "you're just upset", which is clearly dismissive? If you weren't "sure which part", why did you state that he was "just upset" that "it's being called a crime"?