Why are there so many luke warm Christians on this forum?

[Andrew]

Listen, we love our children. We may not be proud of them, and we may try and correct their actions but we love them.
When they are grown and out of our control, we let them go. At times they hurt us beyond imagination. At other times we would rather have nothing to do with them "tough love". Yet our hearts yearn for them. They have free will. We don't approve of their lifestyles, and pray that they get saved, but in the end it is their free will.

And thank God God is not like "evil" earthly fathers who know how to give good gifts to their children. Even the love of the best parents are flawed. But His love is perfect and unconditional!

 

[Svt4Him]

Then why did he come not to condemn man but to save man? Let's face it we were all terrible sinners -- all of us broke every law -- b4 we were saved. So if God hated us then, why did he bother to save us by sacrificing his Son?

Ro 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

2 Cor 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Finally, did the father hate the prodigal son at any time he was away living in sin?

Ok, I agree, but if you are going to start with John, let's finish with it.

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

 

[Svt4Him]

I hope you mean changing from sinner to Christian, and not using the Law today to guide or improve the Christian's behaviour.

Ga 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

To preach the Law to "improve Christian holiness" is to minister death to the Christian.

This is a part that a lot of people miss, I think due in part because 'Christian' has lost it's meaning, and due in part to people not understanding that the knowledge of good was just as deadly as the knowledge of evil. John said to some to go away until they show fruits of repentance, and I believe repentance is missing. If one has repented of sin, turned to Jesus, then they are no longer under a schoolmaster. The law is for the unrighteous.

 

[Andrew]

Svt4him,

I'm a little confused. Are you talking about the unsaved sinners or Christians?

You said that the Law is for the unrighteous. You mean sinners? If that is what you are saying, then I disagree somewhat because we do not preach Law to the unsaved to get them saved.

Yes, we do mention the Law and its demand for perfection, so that the sinner can see his need for grace and a Saviour.

But we should be preaching mainly reconciliation to God becos of the cross and because of Jesus. ie we preach God's grace and forgiveness, not so much the Law.

Or you could say, we preach the Law for the reason it was given -- to bring people to Christ, not to modify or to change their behaviour.

Repentance? Repentance is simply changing your mind. For eg, the Jews used to think that Jesus was a blasphemer. If they repent, that means they change their mind about what and who he is, and believe that he is their Messiah.

Repent is not changing one's behaviour. However, when we believe right, we will start to behave and talk right. But the latter is sometimes a journey. Seldom, people get perfected in a certain area of behaviour overnight.

 

[Carlos Vigil]

This does not make a Christian lukewarm.


What is the law for? For the unrighteous, not for the righteous. My sins are in remission, they are blown away.


Hi Svt4him,
Please tell me ,HOW are your sins in remission?
HOW are they blown away?
What is the process?
Carlos

 

[Carlos Vigil]

Isn't it interesting how Jesus' message of radical acceptance, as shown by his life, by the folk he chose as his disciples is defined by some Christians as a message of rules, a message of legalism and bondage?

Kiwimac

Dear Kiwimac,
Rebels hate rules.
In a world of mules, there are no rules.
"By this you know you are my disciples, that you obey my commands."

For "christians" who hate rules, rites, rituals, etc;...look at Psalm 19:8-10
Thanks for your post.
Carlos

 

[Carlos Vigil]

....urging you to defend the truth of the Good News.


I love Jude 3.

mine sez:..."encourage you to FIGHT HARD FOR THE TRUE FAITH delivered once to all the saints." well,........
The reason I am lukewarm is; ( I hope you aren't sorry you asked )
I enjoy the thrill of looking over the edge. ...Seeing how far I can go before God slamdunks me!...I know that is stupid but I was born with curiousity before I knew what it was.
There are times that I know I must make Him sick, or weep, or disappointed
and there is where I have discovered HIS MERCY, and there is where I have discovered that WHILE I am a sinner, HE DIED FOR ME!!!... in His eternal, perpetual, (once and for all) death He reaches out and EMBRACES ME.
so far He has not vomitted me.
I have lived IN His vomit chamber much of my life, but I have learned that it is much sweeter living IN HIS HEART, in the fellowship of his suffering, being FORMED into the pattern of HIS DEATH.
It is more exciting & enjoyable living as a 100% fanatic for Christ, not counting the cost, than living always concerned over which option is the most comfortable for me.
so you see , HE keeps me whether I am cold, hot, or lukewarm...whether I am a knowitall, Mr. humility, or lazy....in all circumstances I AM GOD'S PROPERTY, if you turned me inside-out, you will find written in my bone marrow; "PROPERTY OF JESUS CHRIST"...because I offer my body as aliving sacrifice (Rom. 12:1) every time I worship at THE ALTAR.

Carlos

 

[vanshan]

I like my green tea lukewarm, or maybe just a little warmer, but let my heart be on fire with zeal for Christ.

 

[eBusinessforChrist]

If Christians compromise one sin! thats enough for them to be classed as luke warm!! they do not fully believe the bible as Gods word.The acceptance of one sin opens the door to others!! to justify their sin! This is dangerous. Gods love is much better than sin. people are being deceived!!!!

Dear Preacher in Training, Yes I know where you are coming from, after all. The word of God already told us that in the last days many would grow cold. The word already told us that many would be on a wide road. and you know this stuff. Know the issue I have for you is "what do you want to do about it?".​

​

Love covers a multitude of sin, Lets Love on everyone on the christian forums and help others in Love grow in their christian walk. The word states that we who are spiritual restore them in the spirit of meekness considering yourself.​

​

My friend, I am new here. But God has just shown you a new mission field. It's the Forums on the net. All forums are a great place for eMinistry, and outreach. Be an encourager.​

​

God has shown me much about these days, and we need to use wisdom before we speak. I am so glad to meet you on this forum, I love hearing fire!​

But fire is powerful, it can burn someone. and hurt someone instead of help someone. I am not saying your wrong in what you did. nor do I want you angry at me. no friend. I am glad to hear that I am not alone on defending the word. I hope you get a chance to fellowship with me. I would love to know more about what God is showing you these days. Love one another.​

Pray for one another. and remember we have all sinned and come short of the glory of God.​

​

"Live well in Christ" ​

​

 

[Cright]

I just found Christian forums by accident and i am shocked by what i read in the open forums by posters with Christian identities by their name. They claim homosexuality is normal and blessed by God. They claim sexual activity is okay outside marriage, they scoff at most of Gods commandments and pervert scripture. What is going on? why is their faith so weak?

Preacher_in_training...

I was shocked to come to the boards and see so many supporting very unbiblical principals.

Others that have responded:
I think that you take this post very harshly in responding to Preacher_in_training. I don't think he was putting himself above others or saying that christians don't sin.

The point is that Christians have a responsiblity to learn the word of God, follow it and Jesus as well as we can. Understand what sin is, avoid it, and avoid supporting it.

He also didn't use just homosexuality he also used three other examples... sex outside of marriage.. misuse of commandments and twisting of scripture.

I have sinned... but I have read the bible, discussed w/ pastors and priests and I know what sin is. I don't support sin that I have commited and I don't support it when others do. I plan on not sinning in the future, but I'm human and I'm sure I will fail in that quest again at some point.

I look forward to staying on these boards and learning from other Christians steadfast in their beliefs of the bible, and hopefully someone will learn from me along the way too.

In Christ.

 

[Svt4Him]

No cright, my problem is that it is painted with a thick brush. Not everyone believes that, not everyone accepts that, not everyone likes that. Address the posts, not make such sweeping statements. Who can defend that? Who is he talking about? What was said? Then it does become an attack against the people, as no cite was given.

 

[Uncle Joely]

Most people have just enough religion to bug them, instead of Bless them!