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Why are there so many atheists on a Christian site?

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GrimKingGrim

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Besides that, it isn't guilt that leads us to true repentance anyway. Guilt forces us into meaningless religious exercise. Gratitude drives us to love and to give of ourselves the way Christ did.

You don't get this atheism thing do you? This is why you miss the mark so widely every time and I'm not even remotely affected.

Personally, I'm genuinely curious as to why people continue to believe what is from an objective standing, unbelievable.

All dat heaven dawg.

I'm not just referring to Christianity either; subjects like Climate Change, Evolution, basically any belief that goes against current and well established scientific understanding of the world around us.

Science is clearly the Devil's work and has never helped us one bit, no siree. (As I type on a revolution in science)

I'm curious about those things because I believe that denying them is ultimately damaging to the human race to the extent of threatening our survival altogether.

Think of it as natural selection. Some people still believe in Homeopathy and faith healing. Just let nature do its work.

Coming here, understanding the people that hold those beliefs, helps me to compel the more reasonable people I meet from day to day to rethink their positions as quite often they're held on very flimsy grounds.

Noble

Now that I've opened that powder keg, I suppose I should step away before the spark ignites it.

Got it for ya

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Personally, I'm genuinely curious as to why people continue to believe what is from an objective standing, unbelievable.

I'm not just referring to Christianity either; subjects like Climate Change, Evolution, basically any belief that goes against current and well established scientific understanding of the world around us. I'm curious about those things because I believe that denying them is ultimately damaging to the human race to the extent of threatening our survival altogether. Coming here, understanding the people that hold those beliefs, helps me to compel the more reasonable people I meet from day to day to rethink their positions as quite often they're held on very flimsy grounds.

Now that I've opened that powder keg, I suppose I should step away before the spark ignites it.
Can you please describe what you think it is about Christianity that makes it objectively unbelievable? (I accept it is readily subjectively believable, and appears designed that way).
 
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Can you please describe what you think it is about Christianity that makes it objectively unbelievable? (I accept it is readily subjectively believable, and appears designed that way).

You just answered the question for the most part.
 
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Anything that is subjective is not objective.
The truth is objective, and what Jesus said is true. But we have freedom to ignore it or accept it. If it is accepted, then we get subjective evidence that supports the belief. But that does not make the objective truth less believable. I think these are two different things. I think it is objectively believable and subjectively believable. Do you think differently and if so can you please explain why?
 
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Don’t try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time, and it irritates the pig.
Well said.

A favourite trick of the enemy is to send people who pretend to be interested, but whose real goal is to waste one's time by engaging in endless useless debates. I've seen enormous time wasted on other forums because of this.

They prefer death to life, so let them have what they want. One's time is better spent on people who are more sincere in their search for a better way.
 
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I used to spend a lot of time on this site some years ago, when I had more time on my hands and found more community online. As an atheist born to atheist parents, I'd had the criticism levelled at me that I was just as much a product of my upbringing as any religious person who just follows their parents' religion; so I wanted to investigate and be a little more open-minded. As someone said earlier, I was also interested in finding out why the religious believe, given that I hadn't spent a lot of time with religious people. And anything powerful is interesting. Religion is powerful. Plus, great stories.
 
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This point in particular is extremely easy to answer. God has given people, and angels, agency, or the ability to act for themselves. It is His greatest gift to his creation outside of salvation. He will not violate our agency even if it means that He is hurt by our choices. He loves all of his creation and is grieved when one agent chooses to harm another agent, but to take that choice away from the first in order to protect the second supernaturally is not something that God is willing to do, for the sake of the agency he granted to the first. I believe that every time someone gets hurt by someone else there has been a failure to listen to God on the part of at least two parties.

Firstly, the party doing the hurting. They have obviously not listened to God when he is screaming to them to not do what they are planning. Their heart is too hardened to hear Him.

Second, the person who is hurt has, in many cases, heard something in their spirit that says not to go that way, or not to leave yet, or some other thing that would have kept them out of harms way. That still small voice has spoken and they have chosen not to listen because they have their heart set on a course of action, or they have not heard at all because they have chosen to block out that voice.

Third, the party who heard God speak in their spirit to do something that would have helped the injured party, but they didn't understand why they needed to do that so they ignored it. I know for a fact that this happens. I have a friend who heard the Spirit saying that she needed to get off the highway in a bad part of town in the middle of the night. She did. She then had the feeling that she was to go into a convenience store and stand on her head, and then leave. She almost said that was too nuts and simply got back on the highway. She was prompted again and she decided that, even though she didn't understand, she would trust what the Spirit was saying. She went in, did the deed, and walked out laughing. The clerk stepped outside and asked her why she did that. Without hesitation she responded that she didn't know, other than that God had prompted her to. He started crying and told her in a nutshell that he told God that he was going to kill himself if someone didn't come into the store and do something crazy for no apparent reason. He became a Christian and I heard him personally tell that story (I've also heard it from her, but his telling made it less anecdotal because he had the emotion of what it did to him). I used to work at a convenience store in the worst parts of Kansas City overnight. I was almost robbed several times, and something happened every time that stopped it. I had a cop walk in at the same time that a dude was reaching into his waistband for a gun. I said something about being lucky he was in the neighborhood and he told me that it wasn't luck. God had prompted him to turn around and head back to the store. These people listened to what God was asking them to do and kept people from harm. I believe that most people, even Christians, ignore that still small voice and it causes someone harm that would have been unharmed had the person listened.

Long way around to the point that agency is something that God will not violate. Even Satan's.

I have never visited this forum before, and I've not made it through all the comments on this thread. However this comment really stood out for me. I was agnostic, and became a believer in God firstly, and a follower of Jesus afterwards, after a friendship of several years with a Christian. Before I knew her, I couldn't see what difference Christianity made to the world. Honestly, when I look at the global perspective, Christianity doesn't make a lot of sense.

My friend naturally talked about her experiences of God a few times over the course of our friendship, and I found that really intriguing.

I heard recently that someone, I think it was Bill Johnson or John Wimber, said that in order to believe, one must encounter the supernatural - or something along those lines. (I'm not personally talking about charismatic experiences, necessarily.)

Experiences since I became a believer have led me to conclude that there is indeed a loving force who interferes in our lives for the good, if we let him.

If I'd not had experience of God, I doubt I'd believe. Why would I give up my life for something dead? I'm not sure much good can be achieved by arguing between people of various positions.

I've read up to about page 10 of the comments and some of the things claimed about atheists by Christians upset me.

We are all alike in humanity and we can no more claim to know what two separate atheists believe or experience than we can claim to know what two believers believe/experience.

Better to start from a perspective of our own individual experiences, I think, and respect the individual experiences of others. We all have a right to believe differently.
 
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I mean, not that I want them gone, but it just seems strange to me that so many atheists would choose to spend their time and eergy on a site that is antithetical to their worldview. The interesting thing to me is that they don't seem to be here to proselytize, which would make sense to me. I assume that they, or many of them anyway, feela sense of community here if they've been here for a while. So, if not to show the poor theist the freedom of atheism, what is the draw?

I guess they are searching for answers ,who knows but they maybe here, because they have been called by the Lord
 
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Actually let me give you some rope here, you're right. I seek answers I never got as a theist, now I'm atheist and I still seek the exact same answers.




You're right again, almost. I scan the evidence given, be it what little you do give.



We seek some clarification, but where's the trick?



Oh come on I'm warm and loving. Do you want a hug? Have a hug.



Sorta right?



Infected? Noice.



Uh... ahaha. No. There's an lukewarm analogy.



Atheists who become believers again generally feel IMMENSE guilt about it and go off the rails with the preaching.



I mean sure, everyone needs an enemy.



You're right you know. I do, now make me believe it.



More like polluted with common sense and dignity.



Just present a credible case and we'll consider it. We come here to discuss, it's why we're here. If we actually didn't care enough to get questions answered we literally wouldn't have come. Sadly we have to all deal with usually poorly designed arguments and rhetoric and senseless bickering that leads nowhere. It feels like wasted effort but seriously it's a forum.

And we're here also to give a reasonable, non-theistic view here on your topics. It gives you insights, you give us insights. We are mutually beneficial here.

Yes you do seek answers, this is why the Lord Jesus has called you here, you do have two choices my friend, if I was you I would be accepting the hand that God is giving you, before it's too late
 
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The truth that atheists seek to deny is incredibly painful, and won't be tolerated.

It's no more painful than not believing in UFO aliens visiting Earth, or not believing in the power of tea leaf readings, or not believing in Santa Claus.

There is no pain involved whatsoever.

I can understand the Atheist desire to refute God, there is a lot at stake in denying your own creator.

No, you do not understand.


eudaimonia,

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As a Christian, I have to take issue with this statement on scriptural grounds. Satan truly knows the Jesus is the Savior, and potentially his Savior, if he was capable of repentance and being one with God and Christ. But for Lucifer, unity is Me, Myself and I. Everyone else is food. He has no desire to do anything in the name of Jesus Christ. He hates the plan of happiness. Some people just do.

Don’t try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time, and it irritates the pig.

But Jesus isn't the savoir. Who has he saved? Not the millions who died at the hands of the people who claim to be his spokes person. Or the people who disagree with Christians. Cetainly no savoir of the millions, including Christians who died at the hands of the Nazis, Roman Catholics, Protestants, Africans waging genocide. ETC.

Is he only saving those who died, by giving them a place in heaven?

The pig shouldn't teach people to sing. It ends badly for the pig.
 
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Well if you are ready for it please visit tkicbs.blogspot.ca You will find answers to many of your questions there. But can you receive them? Don't quit reading just because you disagree with the first revelation. After looking at every page ask youself, how could all of this be true and the bible not be true? This book is over 2000 years old, attested by the dead sea scrolls, and it discribes the 3 main religions of the world fighting each other at this time. Why do these religions even exist today, after all this time? How is it that leaders of Iran are quoting Psalm 83 today, at this time? How is it that the Vatican stands on the throne of the world at this time dressed in scarlet and purple with all of it's presious jewels? Read Revelation 17! How is possible that after 2000 years we have a covenant between Europe and Israel, and other nations, that is a 7 year covenant? Read Daniel 9. While your reading Daniel 9 do their math using each day for a year. You will find that Jesus was crucified on the exact day prophesied some 500 years prior. What are the chances of ISIS existing just in time for Daniel's king of the north to come on the scene? Why are there 10 full members in the EU? Why not 11 or 25? Why is Turkey trying to become the 11th full member, right on cue? Do some deep research on the Vatican and Satanic child sacrifices.
The bible tells us that a star, asteroid, will hit the earth knocking it out of its present orbit. I explain this on tkicbs.blogspot.ca Why is it, right on cue, the leaders of this age are so involved it figuring out how to stop the impact just at the same time all of the other prophecies are unfolding? Don't think for a minute these groups of people are trying to make things happen to make the bible look true. These groups all end up in hell arat the end of the book. Are aliens manipulating events to fulfill prophecy? We
ll you would be close if you thought that. In fact the Angels of the Lord stand ready to perform God's word. But His angels are not the aliens we see flying saucers. Those are fallen angels lead by Satan who left their former habitation, if you can receive it. Why are they here now? Or do you not believe in aliens either?
Read Ezekiel 5 to 9 and look at israel during the second ww. Notice in there how he says they pray to every god imaginable at the wall. Check out the location of the wall. It is the western wall in Jerusalem. Why would the Jews do that when their prophet said they would. Why were they starved and burned and some even ate their own? Why is it we now have a bomb that will melt the flesh off the bone and melt the eye in the socket before one can hit the ground at this time?
Why are there so many so called christian denominations? Jesus said many false prophets would come in his name.
why have the nations of the world built so many underground cities? Jesus said they would hide in the caves and cry out for the rocks to bury them on the great day of the Lord.
I am sorry but God's word says only a fool says there is no God. He gave us the prophets so we could believe. It is not his wish that any perish but all come to the knowledge of the truth. So you tell me why you athiests can not, or will not, believe in God. Just because we cannot answer your questions does not make Him less God. He gave His best for you on Calvery so you could know He loves you.
Some ignorantly say God is evil because he told the fathers in the old testament to kill the women and children and even the livestock. Did you read where it said the sins of the fathers pass down to the sons and daughters to the 3rd and 4rth generation? Did you read how the son's of God found the daughters of men to be beautiful and þook them and bore children with them? They also did this with the animals. There seed had to be desroyed or it would contaminate all of Adams seed. That may sound cruel to the ignorant, but these were monsters. They killedd their own children as sacrifices. They were canibals. God had no choice but to wipe them out the same way he will wipe out all of the pediyphiles and sexually immoral with fire in the future.
God is a righteous God and a just God. He has allowed Satan and his men to rule the earth for a time. The evidence of their evil is all around us. But the time of their rule is drawing to a close. Look around you and wake up. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and get filled with the Holy Ghost so you may live.
 
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I am not acting under that assumption. I assume that many people who wish to defend their anti-Christian position will claim to have performed the test when they really haven't.
Perhaps, but an assumption is not evidence. The test has produced different results for different people and is therefore unreliable.
 
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I mean, not that I want them gone, but it just seems strange to me that so many atheists would choose to spend their time and eergy on a site that is antithetical to their worldview. The interesting thing to me is that they don't seem to be here to proselytize, which would make sense to me. I assume that they, or many of them anyway, feela sense of community here if they've been here for a while. So, if not to show the poor theist the freedom of atheism, what is the draw?

Most people that go to church are atheist.
 
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Perhaps, but an assumption is not evidence. The test has produced different results for different people and is therefore unreliable.
How do you know that the test has been performed properly and produced different results?
 
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