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Sure, I am certain that is then reason He had to come in the flesh. Remember what He said: if I had not spoken to them they would be without sin, but now they are without excuse. I think it has always been too convenient for mankind to just ignore God, and that is why people can choose to misunderstand His activity in OT.The God of the Old Testament is mostly a shadow of the men who wrote and rewrote about him. Truth seekers find it difficult to get beyond that.
Never always one or the other. I would like to say I am consistent, but I know I am not. At the end of the day though I need to be comfortable with what I believe. I do not find comfort in believing they lied, it does not make sense. It does not make any better sense to believe they were mistaken. I base this on my own understanding and experience and the candour I identify with, which I observe consistently in their testimonies. Is that OK?What I was stating, was the credibility of what they wrote and how that is verified.
Do you always believe everything everyone says or writes, especially if they make incredible claims? Or, would you be somewhat curious, as to what they were claiming was true?
Never always one or the other. I would like to say I am consistent, but I know I am not. At the end of the day though I need to be comfortable with what I believe. I do not find comfort in believing they lied, it does not make sense. It does not make any better sense to believe they were mistaken. I base this on my own understanding and experience and the candour I identify with, which I observe consistently in their testimonies. Is that OK?
I don't remember that tbh. Why?
Yeah, that's why there are 1.2 BILLION of them.The Catholic Church has become the great obstacle to faith in Christ, they seem to create more anti religious than pro.
Then you're severely overestimating the effectiveness of the tactic that you were using. The problem in our communication was a disconnect between your religious experience and my own. Do not presume that they're the same just because I was Christian. The questions that you were asking me were not applicable, as I kept telling you.It seems like a cop out to me, because I could see it was definitely going toward crunch.
Sure, I am certain that is then reason He had to come in the flesh. Remember what He said: if I had not spoken to them they would be without sin, but now they are without excuse. I think it has always been too convenient for mankind to just ignore God, and that is why people can choose to misunderstand His activity in OT.
Is voice has never been audible to me, except when He woke me for an important meeting by speaking my name. Though I believe it was an angel. He has spoken by conversation through inner dialogue, and sometimes does, and other times through intuition, and even through self-referential paranoia from external stimuli (TV, conversation, music, events drawing attention to a current thought etc). Your question how do I know it is Him instead of me or someone else is very interesting. I suppose it is best answered by just knowing well the various characters of people.How does he respond to you?
How do you know it is him and not your mind manufacturing thoughts in your head?
Is his voice audible, or is it just in your head?
I am still willing to see for sure where it goes, but I will respect your comfort.Then you're severely overestimating the effectiveness of the tactic that you were using. The problem in our communication was a disconnect between your religious experience and my own. Do not presume that they're the same just because I was Christian. The questions that you were asking me were not applicable, as I kept telling you.
Do you think the Hebrews God concepts of what they expected Jesus to be are right? If so, can you describe why?The bible books don't claim to be written by God, they were written and rewritten by fallible men. Jesus didn't act anything like the Hebrews God concepts, they still don't believe him. Sincere people don't choose to misunderstand.
Let's cut to the chase, then. Based on the trajectory of your questioning, I'm guessing that you have a predetermined conclusion that either I never was a "True Christian" or else I still believe and am in denial for whatever reason. Am I correct?I am still willing to see for sure where it goes, but I will respect your comfort.
Yes, I think so, but my memory of that is not clear. I think the transition was OK, I trusted the ones who were teaching me and they must have managed the transition without significant trauma.I bet when you were young, you believed without question, that Santa was real and you believed all the stories about how he lived in the North pole, had elves and delivered presents sown chimneys. You probably even read books about Santa as well.
At some point, you came to realize, Santa wasn't real and this was probably a little disappointing to you, but you learned to deal with it.
Yes, I do, but it is qualified by nature rather than belief. I place little emphasis on having correct beliefs. That should make you curious. I am wanting to establish though whether you have performed the test and if you have, to understand why you have departed from Him.Let's cut to the chase, then. Based on the trajectory of your questioning, I'm guessing that you have a predetermined conclusion that either I never was a "True Christian" or else I still believe and am in denial for whatever reason. Am I correct?
In my time on this website, I've been exposed to the curious school of thought that those who are truly Christians will always be so, and conversely that those who are not Christians were never such. I'm wondering if you subscribe to this philosophy.
Ah. I should explain, then, that this is nothing more than yet another difference between your religious experience and my own. This way of thinking was never part of my faith as a Roman Catholic. It's not something I would believe even if I were to become Christian again. I was a Christian in every sense of the word, and now I am not. You're free to disagree, but I'd appreciate it if you could be straightforward about it next time.Yes, I do, but it is qualified by nature rather than belief.
I am straightforward. You have only encountered this information for the first time. You can be more fair, and it is reasonable to expect it. Is that the end of our journey on this path at this time, then?Ah. I should explain, then, that this is nothing more than yet another difference between your religious experience and my own. This way of thinking was never part of my faith as a Roman Catholic. It's not something I would believe even if I were to become Christian again. I was a Christian in every sense of the word, and now I am not. You're free to disagree, but I'd appreciate it if you could be straightforward about it next time.
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