Why are there religious people?

[quatona]

Aha, yes, go on... You stopped short for some reason. I wonder why that is? Could it be that you really know next to nothing about what I do believe?

Of course, from the label "atheist" he knows absolutely nothing about your beliefs. He doesn´t because he can´t. The rest is but empty rhethorics.
For quite some time I was open to the idea that there might be some point behind all this, but finally the repeated use of "atheist theology" gave it away: He´s just trying to pull our chains.

 

[Colter]

Aha, yes, go on... You stopped short for some reason. I wonder why that is? Could it be that you really know next to nothing about what I do believe?

We've been discussing my assertion that you do believe something, that you cannot escape belief, not that I know exactly what you do believe beyond the generality that you no longer believe in God.

Your argument amounts to saying that when you lost faith in God and the associated philosophy of life, that now you are a void, that you have no belief about the universe, origins of life etc.

I still assert that Atheist who promote godless ideals do in fact believe things about the world, its just that those beliefs don't include God.

 

[bhsmte]

I still assert that Atheist who promote godless ideals do in fact believe things about the world, its just that those beliefs don't include God.

Now that is a giant leap. People who do not believe that a certain God exists, not factoring that God in what they believe.

 

[Colter]

Of course, from the label "atheist" he knows absolutely nothing about your beliefs. He doesn´t because he can´t. The rest is but empty rhethorics.
For quite some time I was open to the idea that there might be some point behind all this, but finally the repeated use of "atheist theology" gave it away: He´s just trying to pull our chains.

I suppose it's possible that you are a person who has no convictions about anything, that you don't believe anything about human origins, the cosmos, evolution etc. Heaven forbid....well not heaven, cosmos forbid I speculate arousing the touchiness of such a state.

btw, I snagged you quote on Rumi, I like that, going to use it on a 12 step fb forum.

 

[bhsmte]

I suppose it's possible that you are a person who has no convictions about anything, that you don't believe anything about human origins, the cosmos, evolution etc. Haven forbid....well not heaven, cosmos forbid I speculate arousing the touchiness of such a state.

What?

You can't tell us what he believes and why?

 

[TheBarrd]

So, what do you believe, Archaeopterix? All we can tell from the term "atheist" is that you believe that no gods exist. We have no clue what else you may or may not believe. Can you tell us?

 

[HitchSlap]

So, what do you believe, Archaeopterix? All we can tell from the term "atheist" is that you believe that no gods exist. We have no clue what else you may or may not believe. Can you tell us?

What would you like to know?

BTW, it's refreshing for a Christian to actually ask an atheist what they believe.

 

[Joshua260]

Is it any more incoherent than an immaterial, unembodied, spaceless, and timeless intelligence?

You're confusing coherency with believability. Your problem is that you don't believe in an immaterial, unembodied, space-less, and timeless intelligent being. However, the concept of an immaterial, unembodied, space-less, and timeless god is totally coherent.

 

[bhsmte]

You're confusing coherency with believability. Your problem is that you don't believe in an immaterial, unembodied, space-less, and timeless intelligent being. However, the concept of an immaterial, unembodied, space-less, and timeless god is totally coherent.

Could you clarify why that is a problem?

 

[Colter]

What?

You can't tell us what he believes and why?

He likes white asparagus and clasical music.

 

[bhsmte]

He likes white asparagus and clasical music.

More cosmic intuition?

 

[Joshua260]

Could you clarify why that is a problem?

To clarify, he's having a problem understanding that the concept of an immaterial, unembodied, space-less, and timeless intelligent god is a totally coherent concept, while an immaterial Flying Spaghetti Monster is not because he's made of spaghetti.

 

[quatona]

I suppose it's possible that you are a person who has no convictions about anything, that you don't believe anything about human origins, the cosmos, evolution etc. Heaven forbid

That´s not what I said or meant to imply. Please reread my post.

btw, I snagged you quote on Rumi, I like that, going to use it on a 12 step fb forum.

Glad I could help, although I don´t know what a 12 step fb forum is.

 

[quatona]

He likes white asparagus and clasical music.

Yeah, that´s typical atheist theology.

 

[TillICollapse]

BTW, it's refreshing for a Christian to actually ask an atheist what they believe.

times two

 

[TillICollapse]

So, what do you believe, Archaeopterix? All we can tell from the term "atheist" is that you believe that no gods exist. We have no clue what else you may or may not believe. Can you tell us?

I know it wasn't directed at me, but as the other poster said ... it is refreshing to see a believer actually ASK an atheist (or someone they have assumed was an atheist/etc) what they believe. Personally I do sometimes grow weary of being accused of believing things I don't believe, judged for things I may not even believe, told I believe things and think things I don't believe or think, or have a believer ask me what I believe in order to weigh it against an opinion they've already formed to try and reinforce their own judgement.

 

[quatona]

So, what do you believe, Archaeopterix?

Remarkable question!

 

[Archaeopteryx]

We've been discussing my assertion that you do believe something, that you cannot escape belief, not that I know exactly what you do believe beyond the generality that you no longer believe in God.

Your argument amounts to saying that when you lost faith in God and the associated philosophy of life, that now you are a void, that you have no belief about the universe, origins of life etc.

No, that is not my argument. The point I was making is this: you know nothing about what atheists actually believe, beyond knowing what they don't believe. Yet you feel confident pontificating on the matter as though you were an expert. As this exercise has illustrated, you haven't got a clue.

I still assert that Atheist who promote godless ideals do in fact believe things about the world, its just that those beliefs don't include God.

Of course we believe things about the world. Since when was atheism defined as not believing anything?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

You're confusing coherency with believability. Your problem is that you don't believe in an immaterial, unembodied, space-less, and timeless intelligent being. However, the concept of an immaterial, unembodied, space-less, and timeless god is totally coherent.

Could you elaborate on what makes the idea of an immaterial, unembodied intelligence coherent and, by contrast, what makes the FSM incoherent?

You're confusing coherency with believability. Your problem is that you don't believe in...

Couldn't I say the same about you? Your problem is that you don't believe in the FSM, and you're confusing coherency with believability.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

To clarify, he's having a problem understanding that the concept of an immaterial, unembodied, space-less, and timeless intelligent god is a totally coherent concept, while an immaterial Flying Spaghetti Monster is not because he's made of spaghetti.

He is made of immaterial spaghetti.