Why are there no cows in the Devonian?

[CabVet]

Evidence for evolution of humans consists of lies and deception!

I look at your words, then I look at the evidence. My conclusion: the evidence is real and you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[bhsmte]

I look at your words, then I look at the evidence. My conclusion: the evidence is real and you have no idea what you are talking about.

It's all a conspiracy.

And, not one scientist after 150 years, has been able to produce the evidence to prove that evolution is all a lie.

After all this time, not one scientist who happens to be a christian even, has been able to do so.

Ignorance, is indeed bliss.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I look at your words, then I look at the evidence. My conclusion: the evidence is real and you have no idea what you are talking about.

She is mentioning some of the cases in which evidence for evolution turned out to be fake. Except for Lucy, don't know why she thinks that is fake, the bones were not spread out that far, and even if they were, a scavenger would be the likely reason, not fake evidence, at least in that case. Besides that one, all are embarrassing incidences in which the evidence was not what it seemed.

 

[Black Akuma]

Lucy was found with different bones a mile apart in depth!

I don't know who told you that, but they lied. That knee joint was a separate find.

The piltdown Man was a huge hoax caused by using a monkey jawbone and a human skull.

Ramapithecus, found in 1976, which was only the fragment of a jaw and several teeth was put forth as a missing link and turned out to be an orangutan.

Javaman or Homo Erectus was a Gibbon monkey skull and a human leg bone found 50 feet away by Eugène Dubois. This was a hoax which Eugène confessed to before he passed away. He had also found two human skulls right nearby which he had hidden in order to make his Homo Erectus fossil seem more plausible

Neanderthal Man was a more than one fossil found that was stooped over and therefore classified as a missing link. But it was later discovered they were stooped over because of a bone disease like rickets. They are now classified as normal humans.

We'll ignore, for a moment, that all these things were discovered and exposed by scientists, the very people you keep saying are only interested in denying an intelligent designer.

Do you really think the above is the sum total of all the research that's ever been done on this subject of human ancestry?

Nebraska Man was made up based off of one tooth found in 1921!! Turned out to be the tooth of an extinct pig.

Even the scientist who found the thing never gave it that much credence. The media - in particular, one paper - blew it out of proportion, and it was never accepted by the scientific community.

And again, who eventually discovered what it really was? Was it those intrepid creationists, always searching for the truth? Nope. It was those evil atheist scientists again.

I have checked many other sites that say the same thing about these above missing links

Gonna take a wild stab and say most of them were creationist sites.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Gonna take a wild stab and say most of them were creationist sites.

A surprising number of scientists who support evolution are religious

 

[Black Akuma]

She is mentioning some of the cases in which evidence for evolution turned out to be fake. Except for Lucy, don't know why she thinks that is fake, the bones were not spread out that far, and even if they were, a scavenger would be the likely reason, not fake evidence, at least in that case. Besides that one, all are embarrassing incidences in which the evidence was not what it seemed.

Hoaxes happen. People make mistakes. I'm willing to bet that you'd be hard pressed to find an area of science that doesn't have a few frauds in it, especially one that's been around as long as evolution and biology. That's hardly reason to dismiss the mountain of completely legitimate work.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Hoaxes happen. People make mistakes. I'm willing to bet that you'd be hard pressed to find an area of science that doesn't have a few frauds in it, especially one that's been around as long as evolution and biology. That's hardly reason to dismiss the mountain of completely legitimate work.

Oh I know, just explaining her reasoning.

 

[ExistenceUnknown]

Because we have the same Creator! We live on the same planet, we have needs, such as to eat, to reproduce, and to use the toilet.

This doesn't answer the question about why, genetically, we are more similar to Chimps than to Lions. All you've done is suggest a solution that has no bearing on reality. We can't measure, see, hear, or touch God. Why add him to the mix when the evidence doesn't point to it? This is a basic violation of Occam's Razor. You've added an assumption where none is required.

Like I have stated several times, the Fossil Record is NOT reliable for evolutionists. They can't agree if evolution was quick or slow, they can't find intermediate forms, they don't know how to explain the second age of fishes or the cambrian explosion. Fishes appear in the Devonian strata and again in the Mezoic strata. There is the Cambrian 'Explosion', where everything just exploded!!

Do me a quick favor and look at this image. http://m7.i.pbase.com/u26/jackcnd/upload/43767517.GradientWhite720p.JPG

Now tell me definitively where the color Black ceases and the Color white begins. Now with this gradient image still in your mind picture Australopithecus on the left and Moden Humans on the right. Where does Australopithecus cease and we begin? This is why no 'Missing Link' will ever be found, because with every new discovery there are a multitude of intermediaries. The evolution of species works on a gradient.

The flood and other natural disasters have changed the different layers!

Then what we should see is Chaos in the fossil record, not the order of complexity that we actually see.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Even if the flood did move the fossils around, it wouldn't impact radioactive decay, which is the primary means of narrowing down the age of fossils.

 

[HitchSlap]

Evidence for evolution of humans consists of lies and deception!

Lucy was found with different bones a mile apart in depth! They put bones together that werent together. She was a missing link because her hip and knee bones were like she walked upright, but there are monkeys today that walk upright like the pygmy chimp.

The piltdown Man was a huge hoax caused by using a monkey jawbone and a human skull.

Ramapithecus, found in 1976, which was only the fragment of a jaw and several teeth was put forth as a missing link and turned out to be an orangutan.

Javaman or Homo Erectus was a Gibbon monkey skull and a human leg bone found 50 feet away by Eugène Dubois. This was a hoax which Eugène confessed to before he passed away. He had also found two human skulls right nearby which he had hidden in order to make his Homo Erectus fossil seem more plausible

Neanderthal Man was a more than one fossil found that was stooped over and therefore classified as a missing link. But it was later discovered they were stooped over because of a bone disease like rickets. They are now classified as normal humans.

Nebraska Man was made up based off of one tooth found in 1921!! Turned out to be the tooth of an extinct pig.
False missing links again and again and again...

Ahh no, I am not ignoring the evidence, I am realizing that it's all lies!! And this is the kind of people you want to believe?
(I have checked many other sites that say the same thing about these above missing links)

Don't you all get it? We never came from monkeys, all your missing links are lies.

Would you want to believe a friend after they lied to you 10 times? Or keeps changing his story? I wouldn't say that's a trustworthy friend. Id start doubting this friend and wondering why would he try to decieve me all the time?

Lordy, lordy, lordy...

 

[46AND2]

Exactly. We do not see the qualifier in Genesis 1. So, the subset could be equal to the set, or could be smaller than the set.

It doesn't matter. The bible uses one set. But it wouldn't matter, even if it used more than one. The only way you can make them differing amounts is if you use two INDEPENDENT sets, as in your example.

In your example, the students on the trip IS NOT A SUBSET of the kids in the class.

The students on the trip, COULD be a subset, but then you couldn't use all and every differently, like you tried to. If the students on the trip is a SUBSET of the students in the class, not every student is on the trip, only two-thirds are.

 

[Loudmouth]

Evidence for evolution of humans consists of lies and deception!

Lucy was found with different bones a mile apart in depth!

That is an outright lie.

Lucy's Knee Joint

Funny how you accuse others of deception and lies, and then you tell a whopper of a lie.

She was a missing link because her hip and knee bones were like she walked upright, but there are monkeys today that walk upright like the pygmy chimp.

Another deception. Lucy is a missing link because of the MORPHOLOGY of her pelvic girdle. The pygmy chimp does not have this morphology.

The piltdown Man was a huge hoax caused by using a monkey jawbone and a human skull.

Yes, it was a hoax, and it was uncovered by evolutionists. The hoax was perpetrated on scientists, not by scientists. The rest of the transitional fossils are not hoaxes.

Ramapithecus, found in 1976, which was only the fragment of a jaw and several teeth was put forth as a missing link and turned out to be an orangutan.

References? Is this another one of your deceptions?

Javaman or Homo Erectus was a Gibbon monkey skull and a human leg bone found 50 feet away by Eugène Dubois.

The skull cap was not from a gibbon monkey. That is another lie you are telling. The skull cap matches other H. erectus skulls. It does not match a gibbons skull.

Java Man and Turkana Boy

Neanderthal Man was a more than one fossil found that was stooped over and therefore classified as a missing link. But it was later discovered they were stooped over because of a bone disease like rickets. They are now classified as normal humans.

That is also a lie. Neanderthals are not classified as neanderthal because of a stooped posture, and they have not been reclassified as anatomically modern humans. Even more, DNA sequences taken from the very first Neanderthal specimen were found to differ significantly from anatomically modern humans, and matched other neanderthal specimens.

Nebraska Man was made up based off of one tooth found in 1921!!

Nebraska man was never accepted as being a hominid by the scientific community. You are using yet another deception.

Ahh no, I am not ignoring the evidence, I am realizing that it's all lies!!

The only one telling lies is you.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

So I will have a promise of education if I believe in 'the stuff', which in fact is Creationism and God? No, I think my faith gives me more promises than meets the eye.

Have you been researching how the theory of evolution has seeped into our society? "Survival of the fittest", we are "preprogrammed" by our genes to be able to speak different languages, to guide us morally, to our social order, etc.

Do you remember Hitler? He thought that the Aryan race was the fittest and most powerful, so he decided to kill 6 million Jews. Thank you Darwin.

“More than a scientific theory,” writes Nelkin, “evolutionary psychology is a quasi-religious narrative, providing a simple and compelling answer to complex and enduring questions concerning the cause of good and evil, the basis of moral responsibility and . . . the nature of human nature. While represented as a scientific theory, evolutionary psychology is rooted in a religious impulse to explain the meaning of life.”
A Theory of Everything

You all need to realize, your theory of Evolution is not just a science, it is a RELIGION, a MYTH, it is a historical narrative of the past!! It is seeping in to society, it is trying to convert people to it, just like a religion.

The theory of Evolution is so compelling to scientists for only the fact to deny the existance of an Intelligent Creator!!

Look, don't confuse yourself with a review of a book of critical articles about evolutionary psychology before you understand what is being discussed and why and by whom. The authors of the book you are citing are all "believers in evolution", an interesting phrase, but you get the point. They are not saying what you think they are saying. If you bothered to actually try and learn something instead of trawling websites for snippets that appear to back up your religious convictions about evolution you wouldn't make these mistakes. In short, learning the science takes effort and requires you to exert some mental effort, so you, of course, will not do it. Surfing websites for confirmation of your biases is much more fun and takes no effort at all so is, of course, what you do. Just don't be surprised when your posts are dismissed as drivel.

 

[LoricaLady]

Here is an even better Q for you? What layers in the Devonian? There is no Devonian period. Surprised? Yeal, that Geologic Column that they put in science textbooks with no disclaimers doesn't...exist!

It is a purely theoretical construct made up by a 19th century lawyer, George Lyell, who had bad eyesight. He never saw any such thing as a Geologic Column. No one else has either. Try and find one. Oh you'll find tons of excuses for why there isn't one, based on the usual logical fallacies and presumptions presented as scientific fact which evolution is built on. But there is no Devonian layered system, no Geologic Column. You (as I was in the past) have had the wool pulled over your eyes.

You can, for example, find so called "Cambrian" fossils on most any mountain top. The truth is that the fossil record is extremely jumbled. The truth is that the paleontologists - depending on which group you ask on which day - make up stories about how such and such happened in the past.

The truth is they don't have a baseline going back so called millions, even billions, of years ago, so all they say is not real science. It's not testable, repeatable, or observable. It's just theoretical, built on their determination to believe that the earth is old. If they had a real Geologic Column, or anything but conjecture presented as fact, they wouldn't have to keep hoodwinking people that the GC is reality based.

 

[florida2]

Here is an even better Q for you? What layers in the Devonian? There is no Devonian period. Surprised? Yeal, that Geologic Column that they put in science textbooks with no disclaimers doesn't...exist!

It is a purely theoretical construct made up by a 19th century lawyer, George Lyell, who had bad eyesight. He never saw any such thing as a Geologic Column. No one else has either. Try and find one. Oh you'll find tons of excuses for why there isn't one, based on the usual logical fallacies and presumptions presented as scientific fact which evolution is built on. But there is no Devonian layered system, no Geologic Column. You (as I was in the past) have had the wool pulled over your eyes.

You can, for example, find so called "Cambrian" fossils on most any mountain top. The truth is that the fossil record is extremely jumbled. The truth is that the paleontologists - depending on which group you ask on which day - make up stories about how such and such happened in the past.

The truth is they don't have a baseline going back so called millions, even billions, of years ago, so all they say is not real science. It's not testable, repeatable, or observable. It's just theoretical, built on their determination to believe that the earth is old. If they had a real Geologic Column, or anything but conjecture presented as fact, they wouldn't have to keep hoodwinking people that the GC is reality based.

Oh. My.

Scientists in the early part of the 19th century moved towards old Earth ideas BECAUSE of the geological evidence - they didn't believe in old Earth before that and then suddenly think that they'd lie about the stuff in the ground.

Why would scientists have old Earth ideas before this? There was no evidence. What happened after they started to look at the evidence? They developed old Earth ideas (to the shock and quite serious opposition of many). Coincidence? I think not.

 

[Loudmouth]

Here is an even better Q for you? What layers in the Devonian? There is no Devonian period. Surprised? Yeal, that Geologic Column that they put in science textbooks with no disclaimers doesn't...exist!

We can find deposits between igneous rocks that date to between 420 and 360 million years before present. They exist.

It is a purely theoretical construct made up by a 19th century lawyer, George Lyell, who had bad eyesight. He never saw any such thing as a Geologic Column. No one else has either. Try and find one.

That's like saying that no one sees a history book because you can't dig in one place and find every ancient civilization, one on top of another.

You can, for example, find so called "Cambrian" fossils on most any mountain top. The truth is that the fossil record is extremely jumbled.

Evidence please. Show me a dinosaur in a sediment that dates to 400 million years before present.

The truth is they don't have a baseline going back so called millions, even billions, of years ago, so all they say is not real science. It's not testable, repeatable, or observable.

Radiometric dating is easily testable, repeatable, and observable.

 

[CabVet]

Here is an even better Q for you? What layers in the Devonian? There is no Devonian period. Surprised?

Yes, I am always surprised when people make up statements like these. Even if you don't agree that the Devonian was hundreds of millions of years ago, the layer is still there. Saying that there is no Devonian layer is the same as saying that there is no Grand Canyon.

 

[FredHoyle]

The truth is they don't have a baseline going back so called millions, even billions, of years ago, so all they say is not real science. It's not testable, repeatable, or observable. It's just theoretical, built on their determination to believe that the earth is old. If they had a real Geologic Column, or anything but conjecture presented as fact, they wouldn't have to keep hoodwinking people that the GC is reality based.

It is crazy how many people have been hoodwinked into believing in the GC, all those so called educated people believing a lie, how can all of them be so easily fooled? They all went to schools and universities and all of them got told lies, on top of that none of them have found out the truth since, what's going on? Who knows the truth? creationists? How did they find out the truth when the rest of the world knows nothing? Even people who have never even heard of creationism believe in the GC, how come? Who's telling them the lies?
Creationists must be really smart people, where did they go to school?

 

[HitchSlap]

Here is an even better Q for you? What layers in the Devonian? There is no Devonian period. Surprised? Yeal, that Geologic Column that they put in science textbooks with no disclaimers doesn't...exist!

It is a purely theoretical construct made up by a 19th century lawyer, George Lyell, who had bad eyesight. He never saw any such thing as a Geologic Column. No one else has either. Try and find one. Oh you'll find tons of excuses for why there isn't one, based on the usual logical fallacies and presumptions presented as scientific fact which evolution is built on. But there is no Devonian layered system, no Geologic Column. You (as I was in the past) have had the wool pulled over your eyes.

You can, for example, find so called "Cambrian" fossils on most any mountain top. The truth is that the fossil record is extremely jumbled. The truth is that the paleontologists - depending on which group you ask on which day - make up stories about how such and such happened in the past.

The truth is they don't have a baseline going back so called millions, even billions, of years ago, so all they say is not real science. It's not testable, repeatable, or observable. It's just theoretical, built on their determination to believe that the earth is old. If they had a real Geologic Column, or anything but conjecture presented as fact, they wouldn't have to keep hoodwinking people that the GC is reality based.

To which, I'm always inclined to ask then, if the GC doesn't exist, was Neil Shubin just lucky when he found Tiktaalik?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Why is this happening? This is almost as bad as the person who asked "if we evolved from monkeys, then why aren't we born monkeys, and why can't we speak monkey?" I am not even making it up, someone asked that.