Why Are the Most Vaccinated Nations Also the Most Infected?

[Original Happy Camper]

Your stat for England is a lie.

Vaccinated patients made up 1.2% of COVID deaths from Jan - Jul 2021 ...

Fully vaccinated people account for 1.2% of England’s Covid-19 deaths

As for Wales, only 13% of the current 658 hospitalized COVID patients are vaccinated. That's .02% of Wales' population.

Covid-19 in Wales: A third of positive cases are unvaccinated

Three months ago from your source
Why most people who now die with Covid in England have had a vaccination
Why most people who now die with Covid in England have had a vaccination | David Spiegelhalter and Anthony Masters

 

[klutedavid]

but vaccinated people are getting and spreading it also

The Vaccinated getting infected is a remote probability. I was reading an article on this last week. According to the English medical profession, the odds of a vaccinated person getting infected. Is approximately 1 or 2 in 500. I cannot remember the exact figure. Though I do remember that it was based on a sample size of 122000 vaccinated people in England.

The odds of an unvaccinated person getting infected is almost a certainty.

Your argument is invalid.

 

[klutedavid]

Three months ago from your source
Why most people who now die with Covid in England have had a vaccination
Why most people who now die with Covid in England have had a vaccination | David Spiegelhalter and Anthony Masters

The truth is that the death rate of the vaccinated is considerably lower than the unvaccinated. Also, the infection rate for the vaccinated is extremely low.

 

[Ligurian]

Some say that the vaccinated, when they die, are being called unvaccinated.
"Dr Judy Mikovits Warns Spike Protein Injections May Kill 50 Million Americans"
States With Religious and Philosophical Exemptions From School Immunization Requirements

Some say that Bigfoot is now retired and living in Las Vegas.

Still, I'd like to see some evidence. BTW, Doctor Judy seems like a really interesting person...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Mikovits

Character Assassination is done as a last resort.

Dr Judy Mikovits Warns Spike Protein Injections May Kill 50 Million Americans – Forbidden Knowledge TV

"Some say" ... is quite unreliable ...

So? Nobody's expecting you to believe what you don't want to believe.
Unlike those who are expecting people to believe them and get shot.

States With Religious and Philosophical Exemptions From School Immunization Requirements

 

[The Barbarian]

Three months ago from your source

More to the point, here's why, from that source:

The vaccines are not perfect. PHE estimates two-dose effectiveness against hospital admission with the Delta infections at around 94%. We can perhaps assume there is at least 95% protection against Covid-19 death, which means the lethal risk is reduced to less than a twentieth of its usual value.

But the risk of dying from Covid-19 is extraordinarily dependent on age: it halves for each six to seven year age gap. This means that someone aged 80 who is fully vaccinated essentially takes on the risk of an unvaccinated person of around 50 – much lower, but still not nothing, and so we can expect some deaths.

The PHE report also reveals that nearly a third of deaths from the Delta variant are of unvaccinated people over 50, which may be surprising given high vaccine coverage; for example, OpenSAFELY estimates more than 93% among the 65-69s.
...
Coverage and effectiveness are important numbers for assessing vaccination programmes. It is better to look at cool analysis by analysts, rather than hot takes on social and other media.
Why most people who now die with Covid in England have had a vaccination | David Spiegelhalter and Anthony Masters

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Same thing I've been hearing. Do you see any way for the world to recover from this? Especially if these spike proteins are being shed by the vaccinated. What will they do to you when you don't take the vaccine? Force you?

We are living in the end times so yes force is being implemented now jab or loose your job, jab or no flying, jab or no entry to business of public events

IMHO we are entering the little time of trouble

 

[The Barbarian]

Character Assassination is done as a last resort.

Actually, the "some say that..." is the last resort. I'm not sure that calling one "interesting" amounts to "character assassination."

But since "spike protein" isn't killing people, she does have a problem with that belief.

 

[The Barbarian]

IMHO we are entering the little time of trouble

Can the false Dmitris be far behind?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_of_Troubles

 

[miamited]

Three months ago from your source
Why most people who now die with Covid in England have had a vaccination
Why most people who now die with Covid in England have had a vaccination | David Spiegelhalter and Anthony Masters

Hi @Original Happy Camper

If you read the article, you'd know that this is exactly what we would expect in the case of all vaccinations. Flu, mumps, measles, shingles, etc. The flu vaccine has been around for quite a while, yet there are people who get the vaccine and still die from the flu. Vaccines have never been some iron clad guarantee that you won't die, or be infected, by whatever condition the vaccine addresses. They merely reduce, and I might add greatly reduce, one's chances of catching or succumbing to whatever the vaccine addresses.

That's the truth. If you're preference is to increase your chances of catching and dying from any of the conditions that vaccines address, then don't get any vaccines.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Original Happy Camper]

"Some say" ... is quite unreliable ...

In Colorado two listed as covid death because they were diagnosed with it 28 days before dying of lead poison, murder/ suicide

so it is possible that we are now hearing of vacced dying as unvacced if murder/suicide is declared covid death by the CDC do to their policy of 28 days, LIARS to achieve the agenda

 

[Original Happy Camper]

More to the point, here's why, from that source:

The vaccines are not perfect. PHE estimates two-dose effectiveness against hospital admission with the Delta infections at around 94%. We can perhaps assume there is at least 95% protection against Covid-19 death, which means the lethal risk is reduced to less than a twentieth of its usual value.

But the risk of dying from Covid-19 is extraordinarily dependent on age: it halves for each six to seven year age gap. This means that someone aged 80 who is fully vaccinated essentially takes on the risk of an unvaccinated person of around 50 – much lower, but still not nothing, and so we can expect some deaths.

The PHE report also reveals that nearly a third of deaths from the Delta variant are of unvaccinated people over 50, which may be surprising given high vaccine coverage; for example, OpenSAFELY estimates more than 93% among the 65-69s.
...
Coverage and effectiveness are important numbers for assessing vaccination programmes. It is better to look at cool analysis by analysts, rather than hot takes on social and other media.
Why most people who now die with Covid in England have had a vaccination | David Spiegelhalter and Anthony Masters

Thanks

 

[A_Thinker]

Three months ago from your source
Why most people who now die with Covid in England have had a vaccination
Why most people who now die with Covid in England have had a vaccination | David Spiegelhalter and Anthony Masters

At least one of the reportings is invalid ...

vaccinated covid deaths in the uk - Google Search

Fact Check-England’s COVID-19 death statistics do not suggest vaccines aren’t working

 

[Petros2015]

This is written by Molone's wife of 42 years and is his history of mrna vaccines
please read it then decide if the comparison to al gore is warranted

Still, I'd like to see some evidence. BTW, Doctor Judy seems like a really interesting person...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Mikovits

I would say that they make quite a pair and wish them many more happy years of matrimony.

 

[Ligurian]

How can you say that?
A Lot of People Are Saying
It can be a lazy way to lie about things. Or if one can document that a lot people really are saying it, it could be a comment on gullibility or suspicion.

People who call other people liars can hardly be trusted with a source that may be treated with even less civilized manners than the person who tossed it out there for people... who care to know both sides... to seek and to find.

I almost feel sorry for you.

 

[miamited]

Hi @Original Happy Camper

Look, you're free to read and approve of whatever you find out there in the cyber world that fits your particular bent. People do it all the time. I even do it myself from time to time. Remember the old commercial that made the joke about the woman getting a date on one of those dating sites and she says all these good things about this guy she's about to go on a date with as the camera shows a man who doesn't match that bill, walking up to her door. She then makes the claim that it must be true because it was on the internet. Well, believe it or not, there are some people who do believe that.

You mentioned your efforts to seek the truth. It would appear, based on this thread, that search ends as soon as you find any article or web site that supports your predispositions. I say that because if you do what I've asked of you above, you'll find that the referenced material from which the article claims to have gotten it's 'facts' doesn't say at all what the article is saying. I'd encourage you to include in your search for truth, going just a couple of layers deep in researching the work from which the original claim is made. Conspiracy theories thrive with people who just accept prima facia, what anything says on the internet.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Petros2015]

It can be a lazy way to lie about things.

It's an appeal to a mob of movement mentality.
"Well, if a lot of people think that maybe I should think that too. Hmmm..."
Not very subtle. Manipulation tricks make my spidey sense tingle.

 

[The Barbarian]

Same thing I've been hearing. Do you see any way for the world to recover from this? Especially if these spike proteins are being shed by the vaccinated.

Show us that. And what do you think that means? Protein is either metabolized to produce energy, or more frequently reduced to the constituent amino acids and recycled to form useful proteins. Since the S protein making up the spike has an S1 and S2 component that has to be cleaved by host cell furins to do anything at all, and since the components fusing with a cell membrane does exactly nothing in the absence of the viral nucleic acid, I don't see an issue here.

Oh, and since the existence of those proteins is exactly what produces the immune response that sequesters the spike proteins...

What, exactly is your concern here?

 

[LeafByNiggle]

So you find this amusing

"We reported some time ago that the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology, Dr. Robert Malone, has been trying to warn the world that these vaccines are dangerous and that they will cause more infections than they will stop"

Robert Malone has been criticized by most other virologists for promoting misinformation. He was not even the sole inventor of the mRNA vaccine technology. He was just a person who performed a landmark experiment in 1987 (a long time ago!), which itself was based on even earlier research. No one person can be credited as "the" inventor of mRNA vaccines or their technology. His research needed much more development over the years before it could be used as a vaccine. He has not been involved in the later research, and his opinion on its safety or danger is no more valid than any other medical official. In fact he original research would not in itself have any applicability to the safety or efficacy of the current vaccine development. Those working in the field today are much better qualified than him to comment on it, and the vast majority of them disagree strongly with him. The use of this comments is the worst example of cherry-picking, where the least-qualified voice is picked and the vast majority of voices contrary to his are ignored.

Do you the same qualifications as Dr Malone?

One does not need the qualifications of Dr. Malone to recognize that most others who are more qualified disagree with him.

By the way, when other factors are held constant, the most vaccinated countries are the least infected, not the most infected.

 

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[Original Happy Camper]

Hi @Original Happy Camper

If you read the article, you'd know that this is exactly what we would expect in the case of all vaccinations. Flu, mumps, measles, shingles, etc. The flu vaccine has been around for quite a while, yet there are people who get the vaccine and still die from the flu. Vaccines have never been some iron clad guarantee that you won't die, or be infected, by whatever condition the vaccine addresses. They merely reduce, and I might add greatly reduce, one's chances of catching or succumbing to whatever the vaccine addresses.

That's the truth. If you're preference is to increase your chances of catching and dying from any of the conditions that vaccines address, then don't get any vaccines.

God bless,
Ted

I have Covid now and will have natural immunity designed by GOD thus I do not need mans attempt be a god.

I have a mild case because I follow the life principles of the Bible

Due to the fact that the current covid experimental vaccine is designed to modify what GOD created (that is what satan does) I will not put it into my body

COvid 19 is also man made, virus modified once again modifying GOD' creation

Two wrongs do not make a right